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Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]
Fox News | 12/20/05

Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.


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KEYWORDS: biology; creation; crevolist; dover; education; evolution; intelligentdesign; keywordpolice; ruling; scienceeducation
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To: Chiapet

The issue is salience, not sanity. Many sane parents are grossly ignorant, and many sane students defer to the authority of teachers when they undermine religion and implicitly advocate liberation from traditional values. Making the lack of school and teacher authority in faith and morals abundantly clear would give parents and students a firmer everyday basis for contesting teachers and school administrators who stray.


321 posted on 12/20/2005 9:51:32 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: plewis1250
You just crossed into "beliefs" with your "missing link theory"

Well, if you don't understand how the ancient Edison invention of moving pictures record reality, then I'm sure the lurkers will.

322 posted on 12/20/2005 9:52:32 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Explaining God, is like having to point out the Sun.
He IS and always will be! A ruling by an arrogant
judge cannot change the fact that God IS! The Great
I AM will not be mocked!


323 posted on 12/20/2005 9:52:36 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Hmm... if a word has a definition, then it can be used. Once again, the "evolved mind" fails to recognize this simple concept...

The problem you have with Creationism is that if in the slightest it is true, then that means God is real, which means you actually will be held accountable for your life decisions and the choices you make. Evolution is nothing more than a feeble attempt to deny that God exists so man can live out his/hers sinful desires.

Yes, this is my belief. Yes, this is my theory.

Yet, it is also 90% of this countries belief and theory, so deal with it.
- plewis1250
324 posted on 12/20/2005 9:53:33 AM PST by plewis1250 (Not taking this evolutionist agenda....)
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To: js1138
Science always assumes that natural explanations can be found.

If you can define "natural" without indulging a circular argument please share it. Or is human understanding alone what differientiates the "natural" from anything else? Atheistic science, yes, always assumes God does not exist and has no place in the workings of the universe.

325 posted on 12/20/2005 9:53:48 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Jo Nuvark

"Explaining God, is like having to point out the Sun.
He IS and always will be! A ruling by an arrogant
judge cannot change the fact that God IS! The Great
I AM will not be mocked!"

The Judge never said that God doesn't exist. Nor did he imply it.


326 posted on 12/20/2005 9:54:01 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: steve-b
Wrong. Come back when you cease to be an ignoramus.

Scientific fact,,,all people who disagree with evolutionists are ignoramuses.

327 posted on 12/20/2005 9:54:03 AM PST by Protagoras (Many people teach their children that Jesus is story character but Santa Claus is real.)
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To: Kenny Bunkport

The godless militants are charming, aren't they?

But at least they aren't zealots, right? (/sarc)


328 posted on 12/20/2005 9:54:07 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: justtryingtopassapenglish
Intelligent Design has much more evidence than this Islamic theory.

Now you're moving the goalposts. Here's your original statement:

"If we believe it is possible, then why do we try and prevent our students from learning such theories?"

Well, if the Nation of Islam think it's possible, why prevent students from learning it? Are you being discriminatory?

Or is it that you only want your own religious faith - and no others - taught as fact?

329 posted on 12/20/2005 9:54:42 AM PST by gdani (How does Intelligent Design explain male nipples?)
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To: xzins
P-Marlowe is a lawyer in a successful practice in California. That doesn't make him right about everything legal, but it does make his a professional opinion.

If you already knew this, then just look at this note as someone attempting to pass along important info.

Xzins

What's your point?

330 posted on 12/20/2005 9:55:05 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Evolution is amazing. I wonder who invented it?


331 posted on 12/20/2005 9:55:14 AM PST by Protagoras (Many people teach their children that Jesus is story character but Santa Claus is real.)
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To: narby
Good grief, THINK... you are saying that something that has NO physical evidence of existence is fact, yet you deny God, whom in your eyes lacks that same physical evidence, as even existing. Look at the Grand Canyon. Look at the human being and its never ending ability to strive for greatness. Look at how this entire universe is designed. Fill in the gaps.

- plewis1250
332 posted on 12/20/2005 9:55:41 AM PST by plewis1250 (Not taking this evolutionist agenda....)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Excellent. The judge makes a good point in his opinion:

"To be sure, Darwin’s theory of evolution is imperfect. However, the fact that a scientific theory cannot yet render an explanation on every point should not be used as a pretext to thrust an untestable alternative hypothesis grounded in religion into the science classroom or to misrepresent well-established scientific propositions."

ID is by nature untestable, so it can never be taught as science.

Conservatives would do well to distance themselves from this crowd, as they're looking more and more like the tinfoil hat crowd every day.


333 posted on 12/20/2005 9:56:13 AM PST by UWconservative
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
The phrase is methodological naturalism, and it is a necessity for ALL science, not just evolution.

Materialistic Naturalism asserts that matter is the only reality, and that all the laws of the universe are reducible to mechanical laws. It is a philisophical point of view. It asserts that we call the human person is but a transitory phase in the special arrangement of material elements giving rise to special mental results; and it goes without saying that in such a system there is no room for freedom, responsibility, or personal immortality. It is generally completely incompatible with religious belief systems and OUGHT NOT BE INSTRUCTED IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

334 posted on 12/20/2005 9:56:38 AM PST by Smogger
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To: P-Marlowe
God Created. He did not assist.

God created hurricane Katrina to. Right?

But weathermen tell us that heat, and circulation, etc. "caused" Katrina. So where was God? Do you have a barometer to measure Him?

Many Christians, such as the entire Catholic Church, have no problem accepting that evolution is merely a tool God used, like He used the tools of heat and weather to "create" Katrina.

It's no big mystery. Evolution happened. If you believe in God, then He did it.

335 posted on 12/20/2005 9:56:57 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Well that certainly settles that...






;o)


336 posted on 12/20/2005 9:57:48 AM PST by Liberty Valance ("Can't hide Freedom's song." ~ Starwise)
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To: plewis1250
"Hmm... if a word has a definition, then it can be used."

It can be obliterated too, if anything and everything can be mean that word. You're promoting postmodernist interpretations of words.

"The problem you have with Creationism is that if in the slightest it is true, then that means God is real, which means you actually will be held accountable for your life decisions and the choices you make."

I don't have to lie to make intellectual points. Belief in God never stopped creationists from lying.

" Yet, it is also 90% of this countries belief and theory, so deal with it."

90% of the country does not believe in creationism.
337 posted on 12/20/2005 9:59:24 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Protagoras

"Evolution is amazing. I wonder who invented it?"

That's not a scientific question. :)


338 posted on 12/20/2005 10:00:00 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Smogger
Evolution is "origin science." Origin science studies past singularities, rather than present normalities, and looks at how things began, not how they work.

Evolution happens every time you take an antibiotic. It is an important tool of Biology, and attacking it was a stupid move for IDers to do. Simply because they were wrong. They've wasted their time, and wasted conservative political capital for no apparent good.

339 posted on 12/20/2005 10:00:15 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: saganite
Good. Intelligent design doesn't belong in science classes.

Good? If we're here only as a result of dumb luck then there really is no "good" in the first place, and the sentiment is self-refuting. There is only one's personal preference, which apparently a judge and you think should be imposed on every government school. Do you really think it is a good idea for a court to not only to decide for the whole country what is and is not religion, but what is and is not science, which philosphers of science cannot even determine? Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

Cordially,

340 posted on 12/20/2005 10:00:24 AM PST by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
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