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Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]
Fox News | 12/20/05

Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.


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KEYWORDS: biology; creation; crevolist; dover; education; evolution; intelligentdesign; keywordpolice; ruling; scienceeducation
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To: snarks_when_bored

The judge was part of God's Design, but left the room before He got to the Intelligent part.


1,341 posted on 12/20/2005 4:36:11 PM PST by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (My Homeland Security: Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper)
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To: benjibrowder

You just have to keep pounding the point. First rule of debate. He who makes the rules wins.


1,342 posted on 12/20/2005 4:36:52 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: dread78645

No, they are treated as sub-humans. Many have lost their jobs. Belief in evolution is part of the liberal doctrine. Many will be very surprised when they die and find out the truth. Even Darwin himself rejected his own theory before he died.


1,343 posted on 12/20/2005 4:37:06 PM PST by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: benjibrowder
Oh how arrogant of you.

Do you have evidence that supports your claims?

1,344 posted on 12/20/2005 4:37:17 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: longshadow

That's not what he said. He was speaking rhetorically, of course he doesn't want tyrants. But its not the courts job to step into something that is so obviously a local matter. Its something that should of been done by referendum, and should the court ask why this was done, say that this was done out of the democratic process. It should have been voted on by the people, not regulated by the state.


1,345 posted on 12/20/2005 4:38:02 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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To: conservative blonde
Even Darwin himself rejected his own theory before he died.

Don't you guys ever get tired of testifying inconsistently?

1,346 posted on 12/20/2005 4:38:53 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: longshadow
I guess we just differ: you want elected tyrants to have unfettered power; I prefer to have elected tyrants held in check by Constitutional proscriptions. I accept the reality of the Constitutional system as it is currently arrayed; you prefer to wrap yourself around long rejected legal arguments whilst barking at the moon.

LOL. What "constitutional proscription" prevents a local school board from putting a disclaimer on a book?

1,347 posted on 12/20/2005 4:38:55 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: conservative blonde

"Even Darwin himself rejected his own theory before he died."

That's a creationist myth. He never recanted, and died a contented agnostic. The Lady Hope story is a lie. His own daughter, a devout Christian, said he never recanted. She would have had a reason to say he changed his mind, but she didn't. Try again.


1,348 posted on 12/20/2005 4:39:22 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: js1138

Your just as biased towards your beliefs as we are to our own, so STFU.


1,349 posted on 12/20/2005 4:40:37 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

My folks live in Western Carolina near Cherokee....different area in lots of ways than Raleigh. I didn't realize how wide that state was until I had to drive from Bryson to Ft Bragg. NC has it all....maybe the best state in the union for diverse climates.


1,350 posted on 12/20/2005 4:40:50 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: saganite
"Don't try to force your religious beliefs on my children using the schools as [you] venue."

Again, I believe, regardless of your many posts, that you are as unfamiliar with the case as the MSM is. What do you know about the former proposed changes to the Dover school curriculum? It had nothing to do with teaching Intel. Design in the curriculum.
1,351 posted on 12/20/2005 4:41:19 PM PST by Ceewrighter (O'er the land of the free and the Home of the brave!)
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To: Mo1

Ummm...Chuckies cloak room was not very nice to me. Told them I am still waiting for my FREE credit report. The guy said "OK, thanks bye". :)


1,352 posted on 12/20/2005 4:41:31 PM PST by Lovergirl (Chicago native living in Southern Indiana.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
If I believed in intelligent design, then it might not be unreasonable.

It is not as though intelligent design has no basis in reality. A good many examples can be set forth by virtue of human invention.

Now, how about my question? Got proof?

I do not consider proof to be the be-all and end-all of science. It is only one among many tools science can use to arrive at knowledge. If proof is all you expect of science, then you expect too much.

1,353 posted on 12/20/2005 4:41:41 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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1,354 posted on 12/20/2005 4:41:51 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: conservative blonde; Dimensio; CarolinaGuitarman; PatrickHenry

Before I am out for the nite, could you please provide links for this claim...I have heard this claim made numerous times, but I have more often, seen this claim debunked....I would like to know the truth of this...anyone have an answer? Did Darwin really reject his own theory...

Please, no idle stories here...I need links, and correct information...

I am outta here until tomorrow...but I early await any useful links...


1,355 posted on 12/20/2005 4:42:30 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: Kjobs; King of Florida

"Another defeat for the American Taliban."

That is absurd. I really can't believe you wrote that.


"....our children may yet grow up able to compete with other scientific minds in the world."

Yes, this will reverse the decline in our government schools seen since about the time judges decided kids can't prey in schools. Learning the very little that kids do about evolution will fix it all!

"Thank The Sum of All Laws of the Universe"

You just said that to be insulting, didn't you? Too bad no one says it.


1,356 posted on 12/20/2005 4:44:05 PM PST by NapkinUser ("Our troops have become the enemy." -Representative John P. Murtha, modern day Benedict Arnold.)
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To: xzins

"My folks live in Western Carolina near Cherokee....different area in lots of ways than Raleigh."

Very indeed. I lived in Raleigh for 12 years (spent a year in Austin, TX); I've only been in Clayton since November. I like it better, it's more rural here. I'd love to live near the mountains someday.

I grew up on Long Island, NY. Now THERE'S one place I am glad I am no longer in. :)


1,357 posted on 12/20/2005 4:44:33 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: MineralMan
I still say that's old Leo McKern (Rumpole of the Bailey) as a young man.
1,358 posted on 12/20/2005 4:44:37 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: em2vn
Here are two links on transitionals which might help:

Ichneumon's stunning post on transitionals.

Evidence of Evolutionary Transitions

Hope this helps. I'm way behind on this thread and don't have a whole lot of time.

You might also consult PatrickHenry's List-O-Links.

1,359 posted on 12/20/2005 4:44:56 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: saganite

"That's what the separation of church and state is all about..."

Where is that in the constitution?


1,360 posted on 12/20/2005 4:45:22 PM PST by NapkinUser ("Our troops have become the enemy." -Representative John P. Murtha, modern day Benedict Arnold.)
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