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Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]
Fox News | 12/20/05

Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: biology; creation; crevolist; dover; education; evolution; intelligentdesign; keywordpolice; ruling; scienceeducation
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Before there were stars, earth, moons ect. where did it come from?


1,281 posted on 12/20/2005 4:01:18 PM PST by navysealdad
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To: polymuser

Wron.

"germ theory" is shorthand for "Germ Theory of Disease.

You can't look through a microsocope and see germs making diseases.


1,282 posted on 12/20/2005 4:02:52 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: Baraonda
Merry Christmas to you too! :)

It's my favorite time of the year (despite all the stress lol).
1,283 posted on 12/20/2005 4:02:56 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Well, the one thing I have learned on these threads is that no one seems to able to convince anyone on the other side of the debate...but a lot of information does get passed on, ,and that, in my mind is very useful...

You and my hubby would get along, regarding your fondness for beer...we live out in the Pacific Northwest, so when we go out for dinner, there is ample opportunity for him to sample new beers..we have so many micro-breweries out here, so there is always something new and different to try...


1,284 posted on 12/20/2005 4:03:06 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: jwalsh07
Ten Commandment Case came down today in the 6th Circuit and the ACLU has been taken to task quite nicely. :-}

Good. The ACLU needs to stay out of the religion nanny business.

Now if religious people would just learn to stay out of the science business all would be well with the world.

1,285 posted on 12/20/2005 4:03:32 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: ml1954
Maybe, maybe not. This isn't about how smart supporters of evolution are. It's about ignorance, religious fanaticism, and the quality of science education.

Also, to date, voters haven't been smart enough to keep left wing extremists from taking over many powerful institutions. Sometimes the courts are actually useful.

"This isn't about how smart supporters of evolution are."

Obviously not.

I disagree wholeheartedly with your endorsement of a federal court to make a local decision. It was wrong with bussing, and it is wrong with curriculum decision.

1,286 posted on 12/20/2005 4:04:01 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: andysandmikesmom

Ah, the fruits of microbial labor. Music to my ears.


1,287 posted on 12/20/2005 4:04:38 PM PST by furball4paws (The new elixir of life - dehydrated toad urine.)
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To: Jo Nuvark

You posted: "ONE GOD. ONE WAY. YAHWEY OR NO WAY!"

Reply: The sheer number of claims as to the 'one true truth' gives one pause. Since there are so many mutually contradictory claims, obviously they cannot all be right.

Whatever religious belief you have, there are always at least 100 million humans who have a different god-belief. This makes one humble.


1,288 posted on 12/20/2005 4:06:12 PM PST by thomaswest (Just Curious)
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To: laxin4him
It is reasonable to believe in evolotion (macro) without any evidence to support that theory.

It is unreasonable to believe in creationism without any evidence to support that theory.

1,289 posted on 12/20/2005 4:06:42 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: narby
Now if religious people would just learn to stay out of the science business all would be well with the world.

You've obviously misstated your position but I won't take you to task over it, the 6th circuits opinion and the appeals court transcipt in the Georgia case have put me in a fine mood. Not to mention the Wall Street Journal article ripping the likes of Lindsay Graham, Joe Biden and other assorted talking blockheads.

1,290 posted on 12/20/2005 4:07:10 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: narby
selection is the opposite of random

prove it

1,291 posted on 12/20/2005 4:07:18 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Who do you reckon should pay court costs for this one?


1,292 posted on 12/20/2005 4:07:38 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: All

Is it just me or is this getting pointless and ridiculous? It also seems that every single evolution thread posted on the FreeRepublic becomes a bloodfest between the Pro-I.D. and the Evolutionists. Can't we just get over this? I'm sure there are a ton of other articles that can be read.


1,293 posted on 12/20/2005 4:07:44 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
I was challenging your original claim that EVERY RESPECTABLE economist was a fervent Marxist who didn't allow dissent.

Let me get this straight: you're whole point was based on some sort of hyper-pedantic reading of my original post because I didn't say "almost every"? You'll notice that the point is independent of the precise percentage of individuals involved: you know, it may have been 90%, maybe 95, maybe 98.2%. I'm not quite sure.

This sort of pedantic silliness is a complete red herring.

Why is it that evolutionists on this board can never (note, this is an exaggeration: never is not intended to be taken absolutely literally!!!) seem to address the substance of the arguments being made but nearly always have to go after side issues?

The original argument was that Marx, Freud, and Darwin were embraced by very much the same types of people at about the same time for very much the same reason, in very much the same way. As it turns out, Marx and Freud have since been completely discredited. Does this mean Darwin, by association, was wrong? No. Perhaps there was something fundamentally different about Darwin. But for just about everything Darwinists would say today about how great Darwin , you can replace "Darwin" with "Marx" or "Freud" and find the exact same things said historically about those 2 folks.

It's really not that hard an argument to understand. Care to respond to it, or do you want to parse words and bandy semantics?

1,294 posted on 12/20/2005 4:08:06 PM PST by jbloedow
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To: JNL

Well, you are dead wrong, evolution is not in any way science. It is a man's attempt to prove creation apart from the Bible. It takes more faith to believe in this so-called wacky theory, then it does in the creation story as written in the Bible.


1,295 posted on 12/20/2005 4:09:10 PM PST by rawhide
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To: sausageseller
You missed the rest of Genesis.

Missed it? Are you kidding? I studied Genesis, in the original Hebrew, in the third grade in an Orthodox Jewish religious school.

Jews, however, do not necessarily believe that the Torah must always be interpreted literally. Most branches of Judaism have no problem with Theistic evolution.

1,296 posted on 12/20/2005 4:09:44 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: MineralMan

One thing I did not expect to find when I joined FR was a fellow myxomycotophile.


1,297 posted on 12/20/2005 4:10:08 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: benjibrowder
Here ya go.
1,298 posted on 12/20/2005 4:10:31 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
It is unreasonable to believe in creationism without any evidence to support that theory.

More apropos to the subject at hand, is it unreasonable to believe organized matter that behaves according to predictable laws may be the result of intelligent design?

1,299 posted on 12/20/2005 4:10:51 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: xzins
[selection is the opposite of random] prove it

The subject is *natural* selection, and it is not random. If we're talking natural selection via dry climate, then creatures tolerant to drought will survive, those that are not will not. The selection process is not random.

1,300 posted on 12/20/2005 4:10:52 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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