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Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]
Fox News | 12/20/05

Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: biology; creation; crevolist; dover; education; evolution; intelligentdesign; keywordpolice; ruling; scienceeducation
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To: benjibrowder

"Who said I was a creationist? Who said I didn't believe in evolution? What are doing, taking words out of my mouth? Huh, are you? Are you?"

And the Meltdown continues. :)

BTW, I never said ANYTHING about you. :)


1,221 posted on 12/20/2005 3:30:14 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: benjibrowder

Thanks for reply.


1,222 posted on 12/20/2005 3:31:26 PM PST by laxin4him (They will know by our love not our picket lines)
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To: narby

So you're saying that federal judges should step in and intervene and decide whats right and whats wrong? Is that what you're saying?

I highly doubt if the Supreme Court stepped in and said that socialism and communism must be taught in schools that you'd say the same thing, would you?


1,223 posted on 12/20/2005 3:31:34 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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To: js1138

So, Darwin estimated the age of earth at a couple hundred million years.

You reckon we should keep using that number?


1,224 posted on 12/20/2005 3:32:13 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: JNL
How so? Religion does not belong in our schools science classes, why not? Because it's not science it's religion. Seems more like common sense to me

Is evolution science?

1,225 posted on 12/20/2005 3:32:57 PM PST by rawhide
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To: xzins
"I've already mentioned that the mutation is random, and since that's what drives the actor on whom selection is taking place, then that opens up selection to be seen as random."

And we told you that you were wrong. Selection CANNOT be random.

"Also, and not to get into the theology of it, but that which survives and that which dies sometimes has nothing to do with anything other than pure chance."

Natural selection is not *pure chance*.

"Living in New Orleans this past year was counter-productive, for example. Being in Sumatra during a tsunami had nothing to do with height or left-handedness, either."

Fitness is not a deterministic thing; it's a stochastic attribute. Natural selection is not random, but it is a stochastic process.
1,226 posted on 12/20/2005 3:33:34 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Oztrich Boy

Isn't it nice to know I'm way ahead of you on that one? :>)


1,227 posted on 12/20/2005 3:34:15 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: 2nsdammit

I have never quite figured out how Joseph figures into this geneology. Particularly when you consider that prior to the microscope, men supposedly contributed 100 percent of the material for the fetus.


1,228 posted on 12/20/2005 3:34:44 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Teach whatever you want to in public school, I don't know any responsible parents who are still sending their children there.


1,229 posted on 12/20/2005 3:35:21 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: Antonello

The criticism is valid or it is not.

The ID math says that it is.

There's some math, so far poorly explained, that says that the ID math isn't all it's cracked up to be.


1,230 posted on 12/20/2005 3:35:37 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

I know enough about science to recognize it is limited, and thus expresses itself predominantly in terms of theories which, by definition, are not absolute proofs.


1,231 posted on 12/20/2005 3:35:56 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: xzins
You reckon we should keep using that number?

We should update our beliefs as new evidence is found, like rational people do and creationists don't.

1,232 posted on 12/20/2005 3:36:24 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (I am a leaf on the wind)
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To: xzins
So, Darwin estimated the age of earth at a couple hundred million years. You reckon we should keep using that number?

As the time needed to go from single celled organisms to the current state of things, it's remarkably accurate. It is essentially the period since the early Cambrian.

1,233 posted on 12/20/2005 3:36:51 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: ThinkDifferent

Last time I heard it was something like 4 billion years.


1,234 posted on 12/20/2005 3:37:21 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

"The test of science is not how provable a theory is, but how reasonable it is."

"Many thanks for demonstrating that you don't know jack about science or the scientific method."

So it is reasonable to believe the universe magically appeared out of nothing. It is reasonable to believe that the complexity of the human eye, the human brain, everything we see was the result of random chance. It is reasonable to believe all the variables required for life on earth just happened. It is reasonable to believe in evolotion (macro) without any evidence to support that theory.


1,235 posted on 12/20/2005 3:38:20 PM PST by laxin4him (They will know by our love not our picket lines)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse; Fester Chugabrew

Not to intrude, but there is no such thing as the "scientific method." aka the "magical" or "mythical" scientific method. Another misperception, fostered by K-6 grade Science Books.

Scientists use many different methods.


1,236 posted on 12/20/2005 3:38:43 PM PST by Smogger
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To: xzins
that opens up selection to be seen as random.

Selection is the opposite of random.

that which survives and that which dies sometimes has nothing to do with anything other than pure chance.

Sometimes. But sometimes not.

We're going through evolutionary pressures right now because of (sun caused) global warming. I live on the edge of a tree micro climate, and that edge is creeping to a point where I expect this house will be in a field in 50 years.

Granted, this property will likely be populated with existing species. But the *individual* plants will die out, and be replaced by others because of natural selection by climate.

If we had only a field grass, but no trees, there would be a condition that favored the evolution of trees, and no doubt it would happen in a few million years. This is how selection aids evolution.

Climate is only one method of selection. It can be sexual selection, cultural, predation, many things. Those are the details of evolution still being worked out.

1,237 posted on 12/20/2005 3:39:09 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby
They are kind of coming unglued, aren't they?

Don't tell anybody, but it's by design.

1,238 posted on 12/20/2005 3:39:31 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: narby
Yeah, but the School Board was stupid, so I don't care. It turned out the way I wanted it.

I know that's evil of me, but I don't care.

I hope you reconsider your position. Judges usurping the powers of the elected officials is supremely dangerous.

1,239 posted on 12/20/2005 3:39:32 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Ichneumon

If God didn't created anything. Why do you believe in God?


1,240 posted on 12/20/2005 3:40:02 PM PST by navysealdad
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