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Intelligent Design Might Be Meeting Its Maker
The New York Times ^ | December 4, 2005 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 12/03/2005 5:28:45 PM PST by Right Wing Professor

TO read the headlines, intelligent design as a challenge to evolution seems to be building momentum.

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Behind the headlines, however, intelligent design as a field of inquiry is failing to gain the traction its supporters had hoped for. It has gained little support among the academics who should have been its natural allies. And if the intelligent design proponents lose the case in Dover, there could be serious consequences for the movement's credibility.

On college campuses, the movement's theorists are academic pariahs, publicly denounced by their own colleagues. Design proponents have published few papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; evochat; intelligentdesign
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To: muir_redwoods
"The taliban believe in the literal scriptural story of creation and getting all of the truth that matters to them from scripture. They believe that in any conflict between scripture and any other source, scripture must be right. They believe that anyone who disagrees with them must be an atheist. I think that describes a stronger similarity with ID proponents than one could draw between Ike and Hitler. But then I'm a rational human being so maybe I have an advantage, BTW, Since you were the first to bring up a 3rd Reich or nazi comparison, I believe you have forfeited the argument."
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Your referring to Godwin's Law.
And a rational human being compares Christians with the Taliban? You forfeited the argument long ago.
1,021 posted on 12/09/2005 6:01:32 AM PST by Stark_GOP
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To: Stark_GOP
"And a rational human being compares Christians with the Taliban? You forfeited the argument long ago"

No sir. I compare fools to fools which is why I am done writing to you. I try to avoid such people.

1,022 posted on 12/09/2005 12:34:46 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Dimensio

You must be on some heavy drugs fella......talk to me when you come down from your trip.


1,023 posted on 12/09/2005 7:27:39 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Dimensio

You must be on some heavy drugs fella......talk to me when you come down from your trip.


1,024 posted on 12/09/2005 7:33:09 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Dimensio
I said: ...because I was around before last Thursday.

You said: No, you only remember being around before last Thursday because your memories of such were created Last Thursday as well.

I said: Your idiocy speaks for itself.

You said: Answer the question. Were you lying when you said that "most open minded scientists consider everything.", or are you just trying to furiously backtrack now that you see that your comment has been exposed as absurd?

Now I'll say: You are the best argument against intelligent design I've seen on this thread.

1,025 posted on 12/09/2005 7:36:13 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: VadeRetro
I've been telling you creationists not to give the Tom Brokaws of the world a chance to save science and science education from you. Going after science and science education was a bad idea.

Wrong. Going after Christians in the USA is a very bad idea. We may seem docile at first, but when the lion roars, you'll be sorry. Secularist Nazis insist on pulling our tail, however.

Here's the theory. Don't do a bad thing. If you don't, then the Bad Guys don't get to play Good Guy while stopping you. They don't get to tar all of conservatism with the brush of being composed of antiscience witch doctors.

We are not doing the wrong thing....you are. It's open warfare on Christians, and there are quite a few of us in this country.

This is becoming the national issue I've wanted to somehow prevent. You're going to kill us in 06 or 08 or both.

Things were going nicely for some 200 years until you guys showed up. Since the 60s, America has been in a steady decline, there is no arguing that.

We will not tolerate the destruction of America. Especially since Christian men and women created this country, which was once a shining example to the rest of the world.

Continue your assaults, and see what happens. When push comes to shove, I guarantee you that you will face an army of 20-30 million Christians dedicated to preventing a secular dictatorship.

1,026 posted on 12/09/2005 7:44:45 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: VadeRetro

By the way, have a merry Christmas.


1,027 posted on 12/09/2005 7:46:43 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: VadeRetro
"Who can endure a doctrine which would allow only dentists to say whether our teeth were aching, only cobblers to say whether our shoes hurt us, and only governments to tell us whether we were being well governed?"
-C.S. Lewis
1,028 posted on 12/09/2005 7:58:53 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
"[The natural life] knows that if the spiritual life gets hold of it, all its self-centredness and self-will are going to be killed and it is ready to fight tooth and nail to avoid that."
-C.S. Lewis
1,029 posted on 12/09/2005 8:09:15 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Wrong. Going after Christians in the USA is a very bad idea.

What? You think I have to have another Christian every five minutes the way a drunk needs a drink?

You want your nonsense in science class. I'm not trying to sneak anything into your church. You want to put inappropriate, mythical materials in science class. That is what is going on.

Science is a systematic study of nature. It finds what it finds and we live with it because the universe is what it is and has had the history it has had. It isn't anything you want it to be. You might wish its findings matched your favorite creation story better, but its findings are what they are and they're what go into science class.

Continue your assaults, and see what happens. When push comes to shove, I guarantee you that you will face an army of 20-30 million Christians dedicated to preventing a secular dictatorship.

I suspect your guarantees are as worthless as your analysis of what is going on.

1,030 posted on 12/09/2005 8:43:46 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
He Rides A White Horse: Continue your assaults, and see what happens. When push comes to shove, I guarantee you that you will face an army of 20-30 million Christians dedicated to preventing a secular dictatorship.

I suspect your guarantees are as worthless as your analysis of what is going on.

Megalomaniacs are wont to make that miscalculation

Wolf
1,031 posted on 12/09/2005 8:53:32 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf
I suspect your guarantees are as worthless as your analysis of what is going on.

We'll see.

1,032 posted on 12/10/2005 3:44:48 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: RunningWolf
Megalomaniacs are wont to make that miscalculation

I don't remember saying that I would be in charge of such an army.

If things continue as they are, this country is headed towards a civil war. All the signs are there.

I never stated that this clash will happen tomorrow.

Give it about 10-15 years, if the current situation doesn't improve.

1,033 posted on 12/10/2005 3:48:22 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: RunningWolf; Right Wing Professor; VadeRetro
I suspect your guarantees are as worthless as your analysis of what is going on.

Megalomaniacs are wont to make that miscalculation

Perhaps you missed it Wolf, but we already have an army of millions facing us.

Sure, they aren't shooting us yet, or loading us into cattle cars, but the time will come when they try it. I guarantee that as well.

Right Wing Professor, VadeRetro, and most of the Libertarians here can try to steal the conservative mantle all they want to, but simply because a thief makes off with property doesn't make it his own.

I'll call them liberals, because that's what they are.

These so called enlightened 'evolutionists' don't realize how dark the path is that they are walking.

The Founding Fathers were Christians, and I could care less for specious arguments regarding Deists and other such nonsense.

These men were wise enough to realize that the only virtuous form of government could only come from men who believed in God; read their own writings.

The secularists have no such restraints. They wake up day after day; and the rules change for them at their whim as they have no anchor.

If they don't believe what the Founding Fathers believed, then what are they? They are certainly not patriots, that is for certain.

Their beliefs can only lead to one eventuality; a worship of the State as an instrument to carry out their objectives. As Christians believe human freedom and dignity and all that goes with that comes from God, these people can only have the belief that freedom comes from other men. Which makes them nothing more than slaves, as they by default operate under the assumption that other men gives them freedom, and therefore men can take it away......and that is the path to dictatorships, evil governments, etc.

Megalomaniac indeed. There are already millions arrayed against you, and you can't even see that.

1,034 posted on 12/10/2005 6:02:18 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Boy, you must have mistaken me for someone who wants a repetitive rehash on Bill O Reilly talking points in my ping box.

Libertarians don't want to increase the power of the state, stupid, they want to limit it. They don't care what you call your religious holiday, or what commandments you obey. They want to stop you from forcing them to celebrate your private religious holidays, from enacting your private superstitions into law, and from erecting your private monuments in the public square.

You want to rename our attempts to fight your intrusions on our people's rights as us oppressing you, a piece of propaganda the Marxists would be proud of.

Now go away, or at least change your schtick.

1,035 posted on 12/10/2005 6:46:15 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I was not clear.

I was speaking to Humanist Secularist Megalomaniacs that become these dictators that are wont to make that miscalculation

I hear you Rides A White Horse

Wolf
1,036 posted on 12/10/2005 10:17:41 AM PST by RunningWolf
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To: RunningWolf

Gotcha friend.


1,037 posted on 12/10/2005 7:12:09 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: RunningWolf

Gotcha friend.


1,038 posted on 12/10/2005 7:12:26 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Libertarians don't want to increase the power of the state, stupid, they want to limit it.

It always starts out that way.....another secular humanist group who thinks they have 'discovered' a superior morality; a morality with no anchor or sails, at the mercy of the tides and currents.

They don't care what you call your religious holiday, or what commandments you obey. They want to stop you from forcing them to celebrate your private religious holidays, from enacting your private superstitions into law, and from erecting your private monuments in the public square.

Hardly sounds like limited government to me. Which is precisely my point. Your 'libertarianism' would force those who don't believe in your 'superior moral logic out of the public square. Millions upon millions of Christians in this country. Dream on, fella.

You want to rename our attempts to fight your intrusions on our people's rights as us oppressing you, a piece of propaganda the Marxists would be proud of.

You are a Marxist, reciting secular humanist propaganda that well, one finds coming from the mouths of the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, name your favorite totalitarian.

Christians have always been the mortal enemies of those who oppose free will and freedom and life; from the Founding Fathers, to the abolitionists, to today's pro-lifers. All works that are readily seen by their fruits. What have you to show...? Tell me.

Now go away, or at least change your schtick.

We aren't going away, and we'll be here long after you are gone......because your time comes and goes, but Truth is enduring, and it will endure you.

1,039 posted on 12/10/2005 7:28:12 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Right Wing Professor
......and like I said, true freedom comes from God, not libertarians, Republicans, Democrats; it's why the words all men are endowed by their Creator were included. I suppose you think they were stupid too.
1,040 posted on 12/10/2005 7:31:25 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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