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Returning to Dover [evolution trial in Dover, PA: week 2]
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 October 2005 | TERESA MCMINN

Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.

On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.

“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”

The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.

Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.

“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”

He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.

“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.

School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.

Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.

“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”

He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.

“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”

Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.

“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.

“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”

She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.

“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”

UPDATE

Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.

At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.

Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; dover; evolution
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To: Right in Wisconsin
actually the main stream consensus view is that we were created, and did not evolve

Actually, I believe the mainstream consensus is that you were born from parents in an evolving population.

301 posted on 10/03/2005 4:54:46 PM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: PatrickHenry

FYI: this thread has been moved to the Smokey Backroom.


302 posted on 10/03/2005 4:55:43 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Nathan Zachary
100 million fossils of 250,000 different species. .. should permit objective investigators to determine if Darwin was on the right track. .. The gaps between major groups of organisms have been growing even wider and more undeniable. They can no longer be ignored or rationalized away with appeals to imperfection of the fossil record.

Powerful material quoted Nathan Zachary, thank you for bringing it here.

Wolf
303 posted on 10/03/2005 5:00:29 PM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: PatrickHenry; Right Wing Professor

Festival of the Dual Personality/Citizenship Troll


304 posted on 10/03/2005 5:01:19 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: RunningWolf

" And do the ones that know.. truly know? I say not."

I say yes.


305 posted on 10/03/2005 5:04:35 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: AndrewC
Reza Ghadiri of the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, announced the discovery at last week's American Chemical Society meeting in San Francisco. His team found that molecular ecosystems, consisting of a few proteins, could self-replicate, correct replication errors and form complex interactions that are signatures of living systems. "We were surprised that such simple proteins can act as if they had a mind of their own," says Ghadiri.

For decades, many biologists have marked life's beginning as the spontaneous emergence of the first self-replicating molecule on Earth. But identifying that molecule seemed impossible because in modern cells the blueprint for life rests equally on three types of molecules. The nucleic acid DNA stores genetic information, which is then copied into RNA and used to make proteins. Proteins, in turn, act as catalysts necessary for gene replication.

In the 1980s, when researchers discovered that RNA could also catalyse reactions, RNA was hailed as the likely founding molecule. But last summer, Ghadiri showed that it was too early to rule out proteins. They constructed a protein that could act as a blueprint for its own replication. The replicator was a 32-amino-acid peptide that formed the scaffold on which two smaller pieces docked and fused to create an identical 32-amino-acid peptide. The "twins" fell apart, and the cycle repeated (New Scientist, Science, 10 August 1996, p 16).

Self-replicating peptide from the Ghadiri group Severin K, Lee DH, Kennan AJ, and Ghadiri MR, A synthetic peptide ligase. Nature, 389: 706-9, 1997
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Doudna JA, Couture S, and Szostak JW, A multisubunit ribozyme that is a catalyst of and template for complementary strand RNA synthesis. Science, 251: 1605-8, 1991
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Katchalsky's group (Israel) first succeeded in forming polypeptides with Montmorillonite (a highly common clay) up to an efficiency of nearly one hundred percent.
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Chemical replicating patterns
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But Purdue University scientist Jean Chmielewski has developed a system made up of four peptides -- the building blocks for proteins -- that can replicate itself and is capable of adapting to changes in the environment. The findings, published in the Dec. 3 issue of the scientific journal Nature, expand the scientific view of how life began.

Cites here

More references

306 posted on 10/03/2005 5:06:54 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: microgood

"The ironic thing is, that unless we were created and our creator reveals itself, we will never really know who is right."

Unless we examine the physical world around us. Then we don't have to wait for the creator to finally chime in. :)


307 posted on 10/03/2005 5:08:16 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: RunningWolf; Right Wing Professor
LOL! Careful, your multiple personality disorder is showing.

Which one?

Wolf

A bit later you did ask yourself to put you on your ping list

To: RunningWolf

I forgot,

Will you put me on your ping list?

Wolf

175 posted on 10/03/2005 12:35:10 PM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)


308 posted on 10/03/2005 5:16:59 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Paging Nehemiah Scudder:the Crazy Years are peaking. America is ready for you.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
I'll get back to you on that sometime. To give the topic, you and myself the time and argument it needs.

Wolf
309 posted on 10/03/2005 5:21:12 PM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Well thats just circular, like the evo arguments.

Wolf
310 posted on 10/03/2005 5:22:49 PM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: connectthedots; Nathan Zachary
"I find it interesting that only one evolutionist bothered to reply to your most detailed post; and it wasn't very coherent. "

NZ was trying to use quote-mining to show that Darwin, Gould and Patterson, as well as others, were contemplating the rejection of the ToE. I showed that he based his interpretation of the quotes on incorrect assumptions.

You will also note that no creationists responded to my 'less than coherent' post.

311 posted on 10/03/2005 5:23:18 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I don't respond to either of the running wolves. Alone they're weird. When they get in a pack, freaky.


312 posted on 10/03/2005 5:25:47 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Harriet Miers: Michael Brown in a dress and sensible shoes.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I don't respond to either of the running wolves. Alone they're weird. When they get in a pack, freaky.


313 posted on 10/03/2005 5:25:54 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Harriet Miers: Michael Brown in a dress and sensible shoes.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Unless we examine the physical world around us. Then we don't have to wait for the creator to finally chime in. :)

We can certainly come up with some scenarios about how it could have happened, and only at a theorical level.

So much information has been lost in the passage of time at this point we can just do our best guessing. It is like the Book of Existence being a billion pages long and we only have the last 10 pages and some letters out of some of the other pages.

Now if someone invented a time machine.......
314 posted on 10/03/2005 5:26:14 PM PDT by microgood
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To: b_sharp
You will also note that no creationists responded to my 'less than coherent' post.


Which one was that?

;)

Wolf
315 posted on 10/03/2005 5:27:03 PM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Heh heh. Duplicate posts. How appropriate.


316 posted on 10/03/2005 5:27:06 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Harriet Miers: Michael Brown in a dress and sensible shoes.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

ROFLOL. Great catch.


317 posted on 10/03/2005 5:28:37 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: microgood
More like a trillion pages to the trillionth power, we've got ten pages of it.

Wolf
318 posted on 10/03/2005 5:31:33 PM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: BMCDA

Dude! It's Hedy Lamar!


319 posted on 10/03/2005 5:32:26 PM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

"I catch musky and Northern pike ..."

Is that the Canadian spelling for muskie? If you fish for them (and they are a great catch!), you should spell it correctly.


320 posted on 10/03/2005 5:34:51 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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