My theory in action:
Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.
On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.
“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”
The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.
Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.
“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”
He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.
“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.
School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.
Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.
“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”
He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.
“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”
Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.
“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.
“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”
She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.
“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”
UPDATE
Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.
At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.
Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”
It appears one of the proximate causes of the problem has been removed.
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Here is the Theory of Evolution
malakhi You can repeat that to yourself over and over, but it isn't going to change the facts."
"FACTS!!!??? WHAT FACTS???? there isn't ONE FACT about evolution theory that holds water, But by all means, name them.
Natural selection, Allele variation within a population, adaptation, homology, speciation, mutations, fossil sequences,...
"is it a FACT that somehow an "entity" formed in nothing, from nothing exploded and evolved into everything?? That's no fact!!!
Nor is it evolution. It sounds more like a cross between the Big Bang and abiogenesis. You may have trouble differentiating between fields of science. It might be an idea to look into that since knowing the difference might help in your undestanding.
"That is a BELIEF, a RELIGION. It requires a leap of faith.
I assume you also include Cosmology, Physics - particularly quantum mechanics, Math - since it is impossible to show that all math is self-consistant (Godel), Astronomy, Geology, Geophysics (tectonics in particular), all of Biology of course, chemistry, and a number of other fields of science in that 'faith based' collapsing wave function of yours.
"And that's just the beginning. Somehow, it rained on a rock floating in space (with no atmosphere) for millions of years, creating rock soup, and somehow organic life sprang forth out of nothing, suddenly a cell formed, and in order to do that, a DNA atom with a library of complex information just "happened" to form, all these other ingredients just "happened" to be there at the same time, and them, if that isn't miraculous enough all life came from that over billions of years. HA! that isn't FACT!
Just a suggestion - maybe you should look into what science says about the early days of Earth before you trundle off, create some fantasy world replete with easily defeated enemies, then impress us with your ability to devastate those enemies. Very imaginative strawman. Fiction is definitely your strong point.
It appears that Phoroneus has been banned.
No, I absolutely wouldnt agree with you in this case.
Would two books with the same typos in the exact same places likely to be from different sources? Only if you turn your brain off (like the OJ jury).
Why would a designer put in 'typos' anyway?
What would your side say? It just came from nowhere by magic?,br> Whether you admit it or not, TOE relies on belief in the unknown just the same as creation, even more so. You cannot prove that intelligence does not exist anywhere else, you cannot prove that other realms do not exist outside this universe.
In fact, we can prove that we DO believe that there could be intelligence out there because we spend billions looking for it.
What you evo's just can't get through your heads is that ID does not neccesarly mean God. If fact, after DNA was discovered (by a evolutionist) he changed his opinion and suggested spores created by other inteligent life could have drifted to earth from another gallaxy.
I should hope not. The design is quite shoddy.
Maybe Louis Farakhan should sue the ID/Creationists for violation of Intellectual Property? Their workin' his street-corner.
Just because YOU don't think that there are forces in the universe beyond what your understanding is, doesn't mean they don't exist.
Didn't Mel Gibson's deeply disturbed character say something similar in CONSPIRACY THEORY? Remember, the best conspiracy theories are ones that can't be proven false.
I call your attention to my preditictive interrogatory in reply # 127 of this thread:
Any bets as to how many of them last the week....????
I assume the GrandMaster has made arrangements for my usual reward and commendatory proclamation to be inserted into my permanent record at DarwinCentral ......
Friedrich Miescher said that?
BTW, you should know there's another guy called Nathan Zachary, from Manitoba, posting on Free Dominion. By an amazing coincidence, he signed up for Free Dominion the exact same day you registered on Free Republic! I found a considerable number of America-bashing posts from him up there, relating to the cross-border outbreak of mad-cow. I decided I better warn you because while we have many wonderful Canadian posters here on FR, we don't like the kind of person who posts here and bashes the US elsewhere. And if you got mistaken for this other Nathan Zachary, people would think that's what you were doing.
Touche
I forgot,
Will you put me on your ping list?
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Spores, or organic molecules drifting in space are not intelligent designers. Everything in your body except hydrogen has a history inside a supernova. If the seeds of life drifted to earth, their history has just been pushed back, not explained.
As for what "our" side says in court, we shall see. All that's really necessary is to demonstrate that ID advocates are on record as being motivated by religion.
It is quite acceptable to me to have science books prefaced with a statement that many things are yet to be explained. I think it's a shame that kids might think we are so advanced that no really interesting problems are left for future generations to solve.
The problem with ID is that it doesn't suggest any methods for researching these problems.
You can lead a creationist to fodder, but you can't make him think.
All she does is try come up with a reason why there ISN'T ONE.
In fact, we have a very detailed fossil record, our museums are filled with over 100 million fossils of 250,000 different species. It doesn't leave any room for her theory, and if it held any water the record we have would show evidence of it.
In real life, transitional means from a fish, then a fish with fins turning into legs, then gills becomming both lungs as well as gills, then becomming more defined over time untill the gills are no longer needed and dissapear. AND HAVING THE FOSSIL RECORD TO PROVE IT. Dr. Colin Patterson, Senior Paleontologist at the British Museum is a well known expert having an intimate knowledge of the fossil record. He says there is no record. David B. Kitts. PhD (Zoology) is Head Curator of the Department of Geology at the Stoval Museum he says there is no transitional record in existance.
And why didn't he ping the people who are filling this thread with ignorant rants? There must be thoughtful people on the creationist side who are embarrassed by the postings of some of their supporters. Why do we see so little evidence of this?
Any theories on who it was?
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