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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16
Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

Posted on 08/26/2005 4:40:09 PM PDT by TexKat

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)


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To: Canadian Outrage

i'll look forward to your post...heading out on point for 15 days on wednesday so i will be silent for two weeks, but watching whenever i can get to a computer...and, yes, the ALE is corrupt and a good comparative would be mexico, but everyone should focus more on incompetence and lack of ability rather than someone is paying them off---these guys don't have to be paid off -- that is part of what i was attempting to say earlier, they are so grateful for the status job they don't even think about how bad at it they are -- and the criminal group actually running the island relies on it for the freehand at whatever they care to do, which really isn't much when compared to our own mafia, of which they are independent and yet subordinates...wish someone could get paulus in for a little private interrogation, but the way the world is now, you can't even interrogate a muslim terrorist without someone whining about spilt milk and nonsensical things like rights, as if these nuts are american citizens and have any rights; rights are the last thing any muslim is interested in, but they sure know their wrongs


3,381 posted on 10/31/2005 9:19:02 PM PST by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: All
From The Political Teen:

October 31, 2005
Beth Twitty Returning to Aruba Tomorrow (VIDEO)

Beth Twitty appeared on Greta tonight to announce that she is returning to Aruba tomorrow for a three day period. Beth says that Dompig is spreading some “not so nice” rumors about her on Aruba and she is going to confront him about them.

Twitty wonders why the focus is on some silly rumors and not on the most important thing — her missing daughter.

DOWNLOAD and view video here:
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http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/10/31/bethtwittybacktoaruba/

3,382 posted on 10/31/2005 9:47:43 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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From The Political Teen:

October 30, 2005
Dutch Authorities Have Tape, Holloway on “The Line Up”
(VIDEO)
(About half way down webpage)

Confirmed: Dutch authorities have the taped interview with Deepak Kalpoe. However investigating and reporting on these tapes do not seem to be a priority.

Dave Holloway has returned from Aruba and talks about the recent search. Holloway is positive that the case is getting a second look at things are going good.

DOWNLOAD and view video here:
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http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/10/page/2/

3,383 posted on 10/31/2005 10:03:37 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: justche; All

NATALEE BLOOD SAMPLE 'FAKED'
By DON GENTILE (Excerpted)

The three suspects in the Natalee Holloway mystery will never go to trial because Aruba officials tampered with blood evidence and ignored confessions that prove the missing teen was raped and murdered.

That is the shocking cover-up charge leveled by Natalee's furious mom Beth Twitty after The National Enquirer learned secret behind-the-scenes details which convinced her that her fight for justice was deliberately being thwarted.
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"I believe it's a cover-up. So does Beth. Why? Joran's father Paulus is a judicial official and has friends in high places. It's that simple."

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63329


3,384 posted on 10/31/2005 10:04:12 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

I just can't even imagine being in Beth's place. I can't imagine how the fury doesn't destroy her....


3,385 posted on 10/31/2005 10:30:45 PM PST by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: Althor
You obviously cannot conceive of an intelligent human mind which is capable of processing a hugh amount of information. You can add to that the work they have to accomplish, according to their present state in life.

Concern for others is an admirable human quality. When a particular situation grabs our hearts, we find the time to pay attention, to hope, to care. Through the grace of God we have the ability to focus on all things we think are important.

I'm reminded of my fears when my first child was 6 months old and I was pregnant with our second child. I truly thought that, since I loved our daughter so much, I would not have enough love for the new baby.

I learned something. Love does not divide. There is plenty to take care of everyone.

We can support Beth Twitty and her family and, hopefully do what we have to do.

3,386 posted on 11/01/2005 12:35:39 AM PST by IIntense (,)
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To: Althor
"Oh please get real, and leave your 'cloak and dagger' dime novel at the counter!"

My, you are arrogant. It would be difficult to believe that you have a child with whom you have a loving relationship. This mother is acting exactly how a mother would act when faced with the disappearance of her child. I've followed this case since Natalee was missing. The Aruban gov't handled the case badly from the outset. Possible evidence was lost as a result.

I respectfully suggest you stop posting on this subject.

I don't think you will because you're getting your kicks here. Last one from me, agitator!!!

3,387 posted on 11/01/2005 12:50:15 AM PST by IIntense (,)
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To: shebacal

Morning Shebacal,
Just a minute equation of the anti-american-anti-justice brain matter composition of the ALE.

I heard a chimpanzee graduated with honors from their "Keystone Cop" law enforcement academy.

In ALE a promotion is joining the aruban crime cartel, and a pay raise is accepting a big bribe from the perps.
As I See It,
NSNR-WNNS



3,388 posted on 11/01/2005 4:47:38 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Canadian Outrage

Morning CO,
Check your filter settings,(content-child guard).

My computer at one time would not allow me to log in on FR.

I hope Jim helps you rectify the situation on your computer. Do you think some aruboo-dope sent a virus?

Take care "Dear Lady" and keep the A-Team faith.

Sincerely,
NSNR-WNNS




3,389 posted on 11/01/2005 5:00:51 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: IIntense

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3,390 posted on 11/01/2005 6:36:11 AM PST by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: penowa

Guess what? I did it myself. I had reset the system time clock to the year 31. DUH!! I'm not going to mention it. Jim emailed me back and said check your system time setting as it's reading 10/31/31 here. And yesterday a box did pop up when I booted up the computer and I do remember entering 31. I clearly wasn't reading it right. Whew! Logged in like nothing this morning. I was having conniptions here. Today I think I should blush!!!


3,391 posted on 11/01/2005 10:51:48 AM PST by Canadian Outrage (Western Canada MUST separate from the rest of Canada. We are the ONLY conservatives in the land.)
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To: Canadian Outrage

While you were tripping into the future, did you find anything of interest? :)

Glad you got your pc problems solved!


3,392 posted on 11/01/2005 10:57:39 AM PST by RGVTx
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To: nuntukamen

3381 - see you when you return. I agree completely with your take on the mafia and questioning and whining about rights etc. Our countries have become so dumbed down that they are even afraid to fight their enemies properly. Who ever heard of "affording rights" to the ones who mean to chop your head off? What does the Bible say: In the last days men will be so wise in their OWN eyes they will become fools!! Are we there yet??? YUP!!


3,393 posted on 11/01/2005 11:01:15 AM PST by Canadian Outrage (Western Canada MUST separate from the rest of Canada. We are the ONLY conservatives in the land.)
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To: IIntense

Friend, Althor got taken care of. So many of us pushed the abuse button that his account got banned. He was DISgusting for sure.


3,394 posted on 11/01/2005 11:10:19 AM PST by Canadian Outrage (Western Canada MUST separate from the rest of Canada. We are the ONLY conservatives in the land.)
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To: Canadian Outrage

agreed...and if any one is wondering how the carribean boycott is going, one of the airlines is offering seats for $9...must be because they are full


3,395 posted on 11/01/2005 11:10:53 AM PST by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

Morning NSNR - Yes Jim helped me. I did it myself. I set the year to 2031!! cripes, I just wasn't thinking when I typed that 31 in there. It's fixed now thank goodness. LOL


3,396 posted on 11/01/2005 11:13:02 AM PST by Canadian Outrage (Western Canada MUST separate from the rest of Canada. We are the ONLY conservatives in the land.)
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To: RGVTx

Yes LOL!!


3,397 posted on 11/01/2005 11:16:02 AM PST by Canadian Outrage (Western Canada MUST separate from the rest of Canada. We are the ONLY conservatives in the land.)
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To: nuntukamen

ROTFLMAO!! Thank you for the info. $9.00. The airport tax would cost more than the seat. GOOD!!!!! On the way to work this morning I heard one of our local travel agents recommending the a "Caribbean" cruise. I thought, not on your life.


3,398 posted on 11/01/2005 11:18:58 AM PST by Canadian Outrage (Western Canada MUST separate from the rest of Canada. We are the ONLY conservatives in the land.)
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To: Canadian Outrage
Tourism Officials discuss media coverage of Holloway disappearance

by Susan Mann

Caribbean Net News Correspondent

Friday, October 28, 2005

ST THOMAS, USVI: Former CNN anchor Andria Hall, moderated a discussion with a panel of experts on the subject of "Crisis Communications for the Tourism Industry" before a packed room of delegates attending the annual Caribbean Tourism Conference on St. Thomas.

Panel members included; Andy Cooper, CEO, Federation of Tour Operators, UK, Barry Pitegoff, Vice President of Research, VISIT FLORIDA, the private-public partnership which is the official tourism board for the state of Florida, and Alan Parker, Deputy Managing Editor, Toronto Sun newspaper.

A key point made by the presenters was the need for the tourism industry to take the lead with both the media and the public when a crisis event takes place. Having a plan in place to thoroughly address how information about a crisis event is made available to the public was stressed.

Pitegoff said research indicates that once a period of three to seven days passes after a crisis event begins, people form a definite opinion about the associated facts, no matter what the source of is, or what they actually know to be accurate.

Cooper discussed the nature of crisis events, which he described as being either manmade, such as a crime against a person, or natural, such as a hurricane.

Andria Hall, who now runs her own consulting company, Speakeasy M.E.D.I.A., Inc., stressed the "Relationship Principle." The concept has three components. The need for tourism business owners to establish a solid relationship with the media before a crisis takes place, the need to share a sense mutual accountability for events, and for full public disclosure at all times.

When the media, and thus the public, is not given the facts to the fullest extent when a crisis event occurs, it often has a negative impact on media reporting, the public perception, and ultimately the tourism industry.

Delegates had numerous questions for the panelists. Among those coming to the microphone was the Director of Tourism for Aruba, who described the disappearance of Natalee Holloway as "the perfect storm".

The official also indicated that the Holloway family "had connections" and the media had arrived on the island of Aruba within two days of Holloway's disappearance. One result of this was that the ratings for FOX news, and the Nancy Grace show had doubled.

Aruban authorities had very little information to report since the investigation into Holloway's disappearance was on going. However, the public (still) watched the news stories about the missing young woman to hear what the media's discussion about it.

The victim's mother was available for frequent media appearances and comments, seemingly taking control of the investigation.

Panelist Pitegoff, who oversees grief and bereavement services for traveling family members in Florida, pointed out how difficult it was for the Holloway family that the victim's body was not recovered.

The training event concluded with a mandate for delegates to take put in writing, their vision for how to handle crisis events relating to the tourism community.

3,399 posted on 11/01/2005 11:52:09 AM PST by Malichi (!)
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To: Malichi
Editorial

Victims' rights take a beating

If an obscure state commission comprised mostly of non-elected officials has its way, Alabamians may soon be reading news reports on local crimes that start something like this:

According to a police incident/offense report, someone was killed yesterday somewhere in the 200 block of Main Street.

Because the public portion of such incident/offense reports no longer provide victim information, it is impossible to determine the number of victims, their ages or occupations, their gender or race, the extent of their injuries, or the precise location of the crime. Police on the scene referred all questions to the chief of police, who could not be contacted.

That's it. That would be about the only information that the people of Alabama could routinely find out about victims of crimes if changes to the Alabama Uniform Incident/Offense Report used by police and sheriffs' departments around the state are approved.

If these changes are allowed to stand, it could prove to be the biggest setback to victims' rights this state has ever seen. Victims would no longer be real people who would engender sympathy from the public, but faceless statistics and numbers about whom no one outside their immediate families would care - or even know about.

The changes to the I/O reports were proposed last week by Alabama Criminal Justice Information Center Commission, a board supposedly made up of such criminal justice officials as the chief justice of the state Supreme Court and the Alabama Attorney General. But the chief justice and the attorney general and many other members of the commission send representatives in their stead.

Based on a previous attorney general's opinion, law enforcement officials usually release most of the information on the front of the current Incident/Offense reports to the public and news media, although sometimes they black out portions of the front as well. The back portion is usually not released.

But under the recommended changes approved unanimously by the commission, all specific information about a victim or victims would be moved to the back of the form, which would be labeled: "This side of Incident/Offense form is officer's work product and may not be public information."

The changes now must go through the Alabama Procedures Act, which allows for a public comment period on the proposals, so there is still time to reverse this wrongheaded decision. (No one objects to not releasing such information as Social Security or driver license numbers.)

Ironically, the changes were defended as a means of protecting victims. But in the real world, the effect will be just the opposite. Sophisticated proponents of victims' rights would recognize that this is the case.

It is too easy for society to ignore the plight of faceless, nameless victims. The public cannot identify with people who are relegated to the status of a number.

That is the reason that the family Natalee Holloway, the Birmingham teen who disappeared in Aruba, has fought so vigorously to get her face before the worldwide public, to humanize this story. Aruban authorities could have dumped this case in the inactive file long ago if it were not for the sympathy engender by publicity about the victim.

But it isn't just the victims in such high-profile cases who would be hurt. Reporters and editors who can no longer easily identify real people who are victims of crime sprees will tend to write less about those sprees, whether they are home break-ins or robberies or carjackings. Even when such stories appear, the public will be less likely to take them to heart if they cannot identify with specific victims.

Keeping victim identities secret also will make it more difficult for the press to hold police agencies accountable for adequately investigating and solving crimes.

We call on those public officials who have delegated this important decision to their appointees on the criminal justice commission to intervene to reverse it. It is difficult to imagine that Chief Justice Drayton Nabers and Attorney General Troy King, both of whom purport to be supporters of open government and the public's right to know, actually agree with the decision their representatives made in their names. Similarly, several of Gov. Bob Riley's appointees serve on this commission, including the heads of the Corrections and Public Safety departments. Their votes last week fly in the face of their boss's usual strong stance in favor of open government.

This was a bad decision. Alabamians should hope that the officials involved are big enough to admit a mistake and reverse it.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051030/OPINION01/510300303/1012/OPINION --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

3,400 posted on 11/01/2005 12:02:04 PM PST by Malichi (!)
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