Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16

Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

[TexKat]

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)

[shebacal]

getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Aruba Getagrip
A compilation of translated Aruban media articles regarding the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Holloway-case presented to Pechtold
Amigoe.com
10/18/2005

ARUBA – The committee Concerned Citizens of Aruba has called in the minister of Governmental Renewal and Kingdom Relations, Alexander Pechtold. The group would like the minister to do something with the negative publicity on the American TV, resulting from the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

The group is very concerned about the constant stream of negative news of the American media. “Every day, the American media is shamelessly questioning our Dutch judicial system, while they do not have relevant information on this.” (Oh, right, not)

Especially with the call for boycotting Aruba as vacation destination by Dr. Phil and the Twitty family, they are trying to influence our court procedure. As much as 270 (do you mean 270 million?) viewers watch Dr. Phil’s TV program. The Concerned Citizens say that Aruba and her citizens have done everything to find the missing girl. Aruba has spent a lot of money and effort, but no trace of the girl. All it led to is that Aruba is terrorized and is literally trampled. (If this were only true)

The Concerned Citizens are of the opinion that Aruba is powerless to do anything about this overwhelming conspiracy. (One woman, Beth?) They make an urgent appeal to Pechtold to use the legal channels and stop the incorrect and negative publicity in the American media and the many talk shows and the call for boycott against Aruba.
posted by Getagrip at 11:59 AM

[justche]

On Greta just now Dave was on, not an exact quote, but close "the police have now told us where to look"

[shebacal]

"the police have now told us where to look"

Oh, great news. I'll try to get Greta's program.

[justche]

he and Tim Miller looked today, and they'll be going out again tomorrow. He said, you know I've had my hopes up before, but this is the first time they've told us where to look, not just all over the island.

[Canadian Outrage]

AMEN!! DECEPTION, DECPTION AND DECEPTION. Nothings changed from day one.!! If our countrymen won't curtail their vacationing to this POS Island, then this case FOR SURE will never be solved. Pretty bad when Beth has to receive personal threats. Perhaps DIARIO could print that. Make it the headline.

[Canadian Outrage]

Are they admitting they have KNOWN ALL ALONG where Natalee's remains were??? Sounds a lot like that to me. Perhaps weighted down in a crab trap.

[justche]

I didn't get an impression one way or the other if the remains have been out there the whole time or not.

[shebacal]

Movement in the Natalee Holloway Case?
Wednesday, October 19, 2005

This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," October 18, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
Copy: Content and Programming Copyright 2005 Fox News Network, LLC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Natalee Holloway's (search) father arrived back in Aruba (search) just hours ago and met with the chief prosecutor. Holloway family attorney Vinda DeSousa was at the meeting. She joins us live on the phone from Aruba, welcome Vinda.

Read the rest of this partial transcript here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172775,00.html

[shebacal]

Oh, darn, this is from the 19th. I thought this was part of tonight's Greta program.

[Canadian Outrage]

On Gretas show tonight she was asking what they could expect to be left of Natalee after all this time with water movement etc. Dave Holloway then stated that perhaps Natalee was somehow in a stationary postion under the water. That clued me in to a weighted container. That kind of information must be either a ruse or inside info. I don't know which. But with the crab trap missing from the Fishermen's Huts that were broken into, I'm thinking it's a possibility.

[justche]

I don't want to be crass - but would they release the remains to Natalee's family or would they send them to the Netherlands for an Autopsy? I guess my real question is would "the experts" be able to tell how long she'd been in the water? (I wonder how long they kept her alive)

[shebacal]

But with the crab trap missing from the Fishermen's Huts that were broken into, I'm thinking it's a possibility.

Yes, exactly.

[RGVTx]

Transcript thanks to Sunmoonstars at Scared Monkeys:

Greta Oct 20th

Greta:
I know that today you were part of a search. Where did you search?

Dave:
Tim Miller and I searched some inland areas.
We did have a group offshore operating an underwater camera from Ocean Systems, Inc.
Tim and I later today started preparing today for a more intensive search starting Saturday

Greta:
Let me delicately ask this question Dave. It has been since May 30th
Do you really think there could be some clues possibly preserved in the sea at this late date?

Dave:
Yes, it is a possibility.
We met with the chief deputy yesterday and for the very first time; authorities have directed us to specific search areas
What we are planning to do is bring in two teams with side scan sonar and rov.
Along with six members of an underwater forensic dive team
Those will start arriving Saturday and Monday

Greta:
With the action of the action of the waves and movement of the sea, maybe I don’t understand searching in water at this late date.
Maybe you can help me out.
Wouldn’t the action of the waves move things so that the things you are looking for just won’t be there anymore?

Dave:
Well, there is a possibility that may happen.
From the information from the police dept based on what they have given us, there is a possibility it may be stationary.

Greta:
Do you know anything about a boat that Joran’s friend’s father had and whether or not the chief of police or anyone looked at it early on after Natalee disappeared?

Dave:
I’m not aware of when they looked at a boat or if they looked at a boat, Greta.
They just kind of gave us the idea that here is where we need the TES team to search and again, for the first time, we have a specific area to search.

Greta:
So you don’t think you are getting the run around?

Dave:
Well, we hope not.
We hope this time we may get some results.
I have been hopeful and optimistic all along.
This is the first time that we have been directed by the police here is where you need to search. Rather than just search everywhere.

[LucyT]

OT. Here's another Florida horror story about a 90 year old driver; he drove home with a guy's head stuck in his windshield, check out this comment:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1505673/posts?page=519#519

[Andy'smom]

Interesting info. So if the police know the approximate area to search, why aren't they doing it themselves?

Poor Dave is still getting the run around.

[shebacal]

www.scaredmonkeys.com/

Texas Equusearch and Dive Teams to Return To Aruba To search for Natalee Holloway
October 21st, 2005

However, this means that Dave Holloway today will be in Aruba searching for his daughter Natalee Holloway on her 19th birthday, October 21, 2005. Say a prayer for Dave and the rest of the family and a birthday wish to Natalee Holloway. No father ever needs to be doing what Dave Holloway is on their daughter’s birthday or ever. God bless.

Because of copyright, read the rest on Scared Monkeys:

www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1760#more-1760

[Malichi]

Hey Sheba, here's a spot that all my want to visit,





http://zorpia.com/loverboy362

[shebacal]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172775,00.html
Copyright 2005 FOX News Network, LLC. All rights reserved.

I'm trying to be conscientious about copyrights, so here is my interpretation of Greta's interview of Vinda DeSousa on Oct 18th, where DeSousa says new people are being interviewed, in addition to re-interviews of persons of interest.

Greta asks DeSousa if ALE gave her any hardcore evidence or any new piece of evidence. DeSousa says there are some details given, but she can't divulge that.

Then Greta asks DeSousa if it is physical evidence or statements that one of the suspects might have made.

DeSousa answers that it is statements about where physical evidence as to where Natalee's whereabouts could be found. Then she says she can't elaborate if there is any other physical evidence.

Now, I am remembering about the green fabric that was found July 17th, which seemed to then vanish off the face of the earth and no media ever reported on it again.

My hope is that DeSousa is talking here about that green fabric.

Although Dan on RWV tried very hard to totally discredit and disparage the green fabric, I am convinced that it was Natalee's blouse. Dave replied to the e-mail I sent him about the fabric, saying he didn't know what was done with it. Then not long ago, Dave said he had turned over all the e-mail tips and info he had received to the prosecutor. So, I have hopes that the green fabric has not been disappeared by ALE.

Something has happened on Aruba in the last couple of days. ALE telling Dave where to search in the ocean and Dave talking about looking for something stationary is big news. Natalee's case has taken on a new tone. Certainly, the island is very worried about a boycott and may have pressured slut-mouth Dipstick to talk about what they did with Natalee's body.

I read on some website that Urine had returned to Aruba, as well as PVDS, but I don't know if there is any truth in that. It seems doubtful. Unless Urine felt unable to handle the real world in Holland and missed his safe nest on Aruba with his powerful daddy, over-protective mommy and all his pimp buddies and inebriated lifestyle. I have picked up whiffs on the internet that ALE is looking to arrest Beth if she comes back to Aruba. This seems way too outlandish and disastrous for Aruba to have any truth in it whatsoever. To do that would be their culminating and overriding mistake.

Something is surely going to happen soon. The pressure is building and something has got to give.

[shebacal]

I took a look at that website. I don't know what to make of it. Do you think it's really Urine's site?

[Malichi]

I don't know. I always think that people would behave as I would behave then I remember that we've been dealing with an arrogant idiot since May 30. Taking that into account; it probably is his homepage.

Commenting on your statement above, if ALE takes Beth into custody, it will take much more than the small contingent of Dutch Marines on the island to keep her in custody.

I have been playing catchup with all the news for the past few days. After doing so I tend to agree with you that there has been a change in attitude on the island. I wonder if the Aruban tourism officials haven't run the numbers on future hotel reservations and seen the impending doom. Everyone here tried to tell the idiots that you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I wonder if Arleen Schippers needs a housecleaning job. If so I happen to have a small French maid's outfit that would fit her perfectly.

TAW