Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16

Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

[TexKat]

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)

[Canadian Outrage]

It's so obvious that a NORMAL Police force would have solved this case in the first week. Instead, they spent all their energies in arresting the WRONG people and getting rid of evidence and organizing a COMPLETE COVER UP!!

[Canadian Outrage]

I don't think I can bear to watch Dave on Scarborough. Sorry but his tepid, non answers and praise of the ALE and "hopefullness" is just too much for me. Not that I have personal animosity towards dave, I don't. I just can't tolerate his "blindness"!! You can be sure that Dave won't be receiving any "threats". Beth has because she scares these Dutch buttholes.

[justche]

No personal animosity with this next statement, just my opinion: I just think you're wrong about Dave. I think he knows and probably knew first that she was dead - all he wants is to bring his kid home to bury her. I don't mind that he's awkward on camera - I don't mind that he's not publicly out for blood. I think he's very focused on one goal at a time. He'll concentrate on justice later.

[shebacal]

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Aruba Getagrip
A compilation of translated Aruban media articles regarding the Natalee Holloway investigation
Wednesday, October 19, 2005

Kalpoe brothers get their passports back
DIARIO Aruba
10/19/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): The Public Ministry [prosecution’s office] recently gave back the Kalpoe brothers their passports. All material previously confiscated during the Hooiberg search was given back.

One of the belongings in question was the passport of the youngsters Deepak, as well as Satish Kalpoe. Their lawyer confirmed this to DIARIO.

This means that the Kalpoe brothers have their legal documents back to travel. It is doubtful that they can do this, since the judge clearly indicated that they cannot leave Aruba.

In the meantime, Tuesday afternoon a person insisted that they saw Joran van der Sloot back in Aruba. Some people saw Joran with his mother in a fast food restaurant.

However, there was no additional confirmation about this, or if it’s true that the 18 year old has returned. It is a bit illogical, because why would he return to Aruba if he’s going to school? An analyst indicated that people perhaps mistook his younger brother for him.

[translated by Getagrip]

posted by Getagrip at 7:51 PM

[shebacal]

getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Aruba Getagrip
A compilation of translated Aruban media articles regarding the Natalee Holloway investigation
Wednesday, October 19, 2005

Kalpoe brothers get their passports back
DIARIO Aruba
10/19/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): The Public Ministry [prosecution’s office] recently gave back the Kalpoe brothers their passports. All material previously confiscated during the Hooiberg search was given back.

One of the belongings in question was the passport of the youngsters Deepak, as well as Satish Kalpoe. Their lawyer confirmed this to DIARIO.

This means that the Kalpoe brothers have their legal documents back to travel. It is doubtful that they can do this, since the judge clearly indicated that they cannot leave Aruba.

In the meantime, Tuesday afternoon a person insisted that they saw Joran van der Sloot back in Aruba. Some people saw Joran with his mother in a fast food restaurant.

However, there was no additional confirmation about this, or if it’s true that the 18 year old has returned. It is a bit illogical, because why would he return to Aruba if he’s going to school? An analyst indicated that people perhaps mistook his younger brother for him.

[translated by Getagrip]

posted by Getagrip at 7:51 PM

[justche]

clearly indicated cannot leave Aruba - but gave them their passports back

So....what exactly would stop them from boarding a plane?

[shebacal]

www.scaredmonkeys.com/

Looks Like Everyone Wants To Sue These Days, this Time its Deepak Kalpoe’s Turn

From the October 18, 2005 Greta Van Susteren ‘On The Record’; comes a rather peculiar interview with Tito Lacle discussing the possibility of Deepak Kalpoe’s potential law suit regarding the Jamie Skeeters video tapes.

One does wonder why anyone would have to wait to see if the video tapes are authentic in order to begin a lawsuit. Doesn’t Deepak know whether or not he made the statements that appeared on the video tape? That would seem to be an easy question for Deepak to tell his attorney. Also, it now seems that the defense now seems to want to say, even if the tapes are authentic, they were coerced.

Based on that, he basically thinks the tapes were coerced, manipulated and therefore enough grounds to start a case. According to him, what Deepak said is not correct according to Deepak’s statements.

It would appear that they person most at fault in all of this would be Deepak Kalpoe. How many times must his attorney told him not to talk to anyone about this? It is pretty difficult to defend a client if they do not listen.

Greta: I take it the lawyer was not too happy that Deepak was talking?

Tito: Exactly, the lawyer was not happy at all. He wasn’t even told until after it happened. But then again, Deepak never knew this was going to be an interview, he thought it was a candid discussion. Which ended up afterward being a recorded version. That is basically the main reason for a possible lawsuit because of taping someone without informing him officially he was being taped.

The fact that Deepak did not know he was being taped for an interview seems almost implausible at this point. If Deepak never knew of the taping and never made these comments that he has already seen on TV one would think that the lawsuit would already be initiated. What would they have to wait for?

Read more of the interview and Tito also discussing the tapes, Aruban opinion of the case and future searches.

SunMoonStars wrote:
Greta Oct 18--Greta and Tito segment:

Greta: Tito, I understand that Deepak is mad and his lawyer is threatening legal action?

Tito: Greta, that is correct. They have been mad since that interview aired some time ago. As of today, I was told by the lawyers they are seriously considering pressing charges, what kind he doesn’t know yet. Like Vinda said earlier today, they are waiting on the tapes to arrive from the states to see if there are any grounds for legal action. They are seriously considering taking people to court sometime soon.

Greta: The prosecutor is waiting for these tapes, is Deepak’s lawyer also waiting to see what the prosecutor gets? Or is he being more aggressive and going after them as well?

Tito:
He is being aggressive as well, he is also going after the tapes as well.
The tapes have not reached Aruba apparently yet.
He has only seen what everyone has seen on tv.
Based on that, he basically thinks the tapes were coerced, manipulated and therefore enough grounds to start a case.
According to him, what Deepak said is not correct according to Deepak’s statements.

Greta:
I take it the lawyer was not too happy that Deepak was talking?

Tito:
Exactly, the lawyer was not happy at all.
He wasn’t even told until after it happened.
But then again, Deepak never knew this was going to be an interview, he thought it was a candid discussion.
Which ended up afterwards being a recorded version.
That is basically the main reason for a possible lawsuit because of taping someone without informing him officially he was being taped.

Greta:
Tito, do you have the sense that the only so called new information or what the prosecutor now has is this tape?
What Deepak said or didn’t say, if it was edited or not edited and that she doesn’t have any other new evidence or new information?

Tito:
Not really, there are a lot of things we do not know.
We do know information about this tape, but again that is pure speculation
There may be things we don’t know, but we will just have to wait until the case goes forward.

Greta:
Is the prosecutor working on this 100% of her time or does she have other things she is working on?

Tito:
She has other things she has been doing during the case, but it has become very low profile media wise.
But, it has the attention nationwide.
The committee is listening, the government is listening and they are making sure it comes to an end soon.

Greta:
Tito, when I was there some people thought she was still alive. Do the people of Aruba still think Natalee is alive?

Tito:
People are not really talking about it anymore.
They have other priorities right now.
They have not forgotten about this case, but as far as discussing their opinions they are not really doing that as much.
They really don’t tell me anymore if they think she is alive or not.
They want it to be over with, that is basically it.

Greta:
Any searches going on?

Tito:
Searches are going on sporadically
Everyday things are coming in conjunction with Dave Holloway and the lawyers.
They are coming up with leads every single day as are the police officers.
They are searching sporadically

[shebacal]

So....what exactly would stop them from boarding a plane?

Possibly a "stop list" at the airport with their names on it. But, I doubt that the judge or the court would be that efficient.

Or, maybe the high moral and ethical upbringing that Mama Alpo gave them would keep them from boarding an airplane. You know the upbringing that goes right along with her saying that her boys lied, so what, because she lies, and everybody lies according to her.

[shebacal]

So....what exactly would stop them from boarding a plane?

Possibly a "stop list" at the airport with their names on it. But, I doubt that the judge or the court would be that efficient.

Or, maybe the high moral and ethical upbringing that Mama Alpo gave them would keep them from boarding an airplane. You know the upbringing that goes right along with her saying that her boys lied, so what, because she lies, and everybody lies according to her.

[shebacal]

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Aruba Getagrip
A compilation of translated Aruban media articles regarding the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Holland wants to see another Minister of Justice (Rudy Croes)
DIARIO Aruba
10/19/2005



Wednesday, October 19, 2005
ORANJESTAD (AAN) - Information is circulating from the political core of Holland that shows that the Dutch government wants to see another face at the head of the Ministry of Justice of Aruba. This is also what the Dutch minister Pechtold, who was recently visiting Aruba, let be known to the government of Aruba.

During the last 4 years of government there were various cases of confrontation between Aruba’s justice minister with Dutch government mandataries. There were very strong letters sent from the justice minister of Aruba and his principal advisor to the Dutch government and there were also very strong expressions from the part of the justice minister against the Dutch government.

The results of the election put the same MEP government to sit and govern for the following period and in turn, the Dutch government has put pressure and shown the government of Aruba, via Prime Minister Nel Oduber, that the Dutch government wants to see another face as minister of justice. While formator Nilo Swaen has everybody busy with meetings with unions to hear from unions what the government knows full well for some time, that in reality the government knocked heads to please the same people from the party and also has taken into account that Holland wants to see certain changes in the governing of Aruba.

[translated by Getagrip]

posted by Getagrip at 7:59 PM

[shebacal]

getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Aruba Getagrip
A compilation of translated Aruban media articles regarding the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Wednesday, October 19, 2005
Related to the Natalee Holloway case
Tourism has practically not declined
however, Americans want information on the Holloway case, when coming across people from Aruba



DIARIO Aruba
10/19/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): During the AHATA press conference, DIARIO asked about the latest developments in regards to the issue of the Aruba boycott Beth Twitty asked for.

According to the AHATA CEO, who also forms part of the Strategic Communications Task Force, there are rumours circulating that Beth Twitty will soon come back to Aruba, however it is his understanding that for the time being, she is not coming back.

According to Pesquera, the media attention is now sporadic. DIARIO asked Pesquera what are his thoughts about the possibility that she will come back to Aruba soon.

According to AHATA’s CEO, it will be good for the people of Aruba to do what they have always done, which is to treat all people with respect and remain a people of warmth, which we are known to be.

DIARIO asked Jeff Lesker how he feels with the effects until now, in regards to American tourists, especially those who have never come to Aruba.

According to Lesker, we cannot forget that the mother is still suffering due to her daughter being still missing.

He continued to say that although he respects Beth Twitty’s opinion, that is perhaps not correct, but has to be above all be respected. However, Lesker showed that when speaking of a boycott, when this normally takes place, is when a country for example produces nuclear arms or something along these lines.

According to Lester, it is important for the correct information about the aspects of the case to reach the mother, so that she doesn’t use incorrect information in the future, and in so doing shine a negative light on Aruba.

Lesker continues to say that either Beth Twitty likes to use incorrect information (which according to Lesker he doesn’t believe to be the case), or the mother has much incorrect information that she has found. (Oh, baloney)

With regards to the opinion of potential tourists, Lesker says that now that they are promoting Aruba out of the country, the first thing that Americans are asking if they know you are from Aruba, is for information about the case, to get a more clear perspective of what has happened and not happened.

Especially seeing that there are many people who saw the Dr. Phil program, Lesker explains that if, that he feels that things are changing in a positive manner for us, in what relates to the Natalee Holloway case, because people are starting to get tired of the case where there are no new developments ahead. (So, drag feet, do nothing, people get tired of case, Aruba gets positive change)

The press asked Jorge Pesquera if people of the Task Force or others from Aruba succeeded in speaking to Dr. Phil, however Pesquera explains that they tried to get in touch with a Dr. Phil producer to find out if there’s going to be a 2nd part to the case of Natalee Holloway, to in this way also give their view on the program and if there is a possibility see the other side of the coin.

With regards to taking legal steps against the mother or Dr. Phil, Pesquera explains that experts indicated that this would not be a good idea. According to AHATA’s president, Jeff Lesker, a good idea to deal with the issue is to first to deal with tourism.

He explains that now that things are slow with tourism, a lot of people believe that at this time, it isn’t good to engage in marketing projects. According to Lesker it is just at this time that it will be good to have a good marketing plan in place.

Lesker explains that Aruba is now working hard to promote the island, in order to be in solid standing. He explains that perhaps tourism is a little down when compared to last year, however last year was a record one.

According to AHATA’s president, ATA, under the guidance of the government, is also focusing on this and is hard at work on ‘Marketing’, especially seeing that it has a tourism budget of 40 million, compared with the 3 million AHATA has for the same.

[translated by Getagrip]

posted by Getagrip at 7:56 PM

[shebacal]

getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Aruba Getagrip
A compilation of translated Aruban media articles regarding the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Wednesday, October 19, 2005
Related to the Natalee Holloway case
Tourism has practically not declined
however, Americans want information on the Holloway case, when coming across people from Aruba



DIARIO Aruba
10/19/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): During the AHATA press conference, DIARIO asked about the latest developments in regards to the issue of the Aruba boycott Beth Twitty asked for.

According to the AHATA CEO, who also forms part of the Strategic Communications Task Force, there are rumours circulating that Beth Twitty will soon come back to Aruba, however it is his understanding that for the time being, she is not coming back.

According to Pesquera, the media attention is now sporadic. DIARIO asked Pesquera what are his thoughts about the possibility that she will come back to Aruba soon.

According to AHATA’s CEO, it will be good for the people of Aruba to do what they have always done, which is to treat all people with respect and remain a people of warmth, which we are known to be.

DIARIO asked Jeff Lesker how he feels with the effects until now, in regards to American tourists, especially those who have never come to Aruba.

According to Lesker, we cannot forget that the mother is still suffering due to her daughter being still missing.

He continued to say that although he respects Beth Twitty’s opinion, that is perhaps not correct, but has to be above all be respected. However, Lesker showed that when speaking of a boycott, when this normally takes place, is when a country for example produces nuclear arms or something along these lines.

According to Lester, it is important for the correct information about the aspects of the case to reach the mother, so that she doesn’t use incorrect information in the future, and in so doing shine a negative light on Aruba.

Lesker continues to say that either Beth Twitty likes to use incorrect information (which according to Lesker he doesn’t believe to be the case), or the mother has much incorrect information that she has found. (Oh, baloney)

With regards to the opinion of potential tourists, Lesker says that now that they are promoting Aruba out of the country, the first thing that Americans are asking if they know you are from Aruba, is for information about the case, to get a more clear perspective of what has happened and not happened.

Especially seeing that there are many people who saw the Dr. Phil program, Lesker explains that if, that he feels that things are changing in a positive manner for us, in what relates to the Natalee Holloway case, because people are starting to get tired of the case where there are no new developments ahead. (So, drag feet, do nothing, people get tired of case, Aruba gets positive change)

The press asked Jorge Pesquera if people of the Task Force or others from Aruba succeeded in speaking to Dr. Phil, however Pesquera explains that they tried to get in touch with a Dr. Phil producer to find out if there’s going to be a 2nd part to the case of Natalee Holloway, to in this way also give their view on the program and if there is a possibility see the other side of the coin.

With regards to taking legal steps against the mother or Dr. Phil, Pesquera explains that experts indicated that this would not be a good idea. According to AHATA’s president, Jeff Lesker, a good idea to deal with the issue is to first to deal with tourism.

He explains that now that things are slow with tourism, a lot of people believe that at this time, it isn’t good to engage in marketing projects. According to Lesker it is just at this time that it will be good to have a good marketing plan in place.

Lesker explains that Aruba is now working hard to promote the island, in order to be in solid standing. He explains that perhaps tourism is a little down when compared to last year, however last year was a record one.

According to AHATA’s president, ATA, under the guidance of the government, is also focusing on this and is hard at work on ‘Marketing’, especially seeing that it has a tourism budget of 40 million, compared with the 3 million AHATA has for the same.

[translated by Getagrip]

posted by Getagrip at 7:56 PM

[shebacal]

getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/
Aruba Getagrip
A compilation of translated Aruban media articles regarding the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Monday, October 17, 2005
Government has its hand over Michael Posner’s head? Notorious Chicago figure active in Aruba casino
DIARIO Aruba
10/17/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Some time ago DIARIO found information regarding the manager of the Holiday Inn’s Excelsior Casino and people have been calling out to ask how a figure with a criminal past of such an extent can be active in the casino industry of Aruba.

His name? Michael Posner, owner (or one of the owners) of the Brickel Hotel situated in front of the big hotels in Malmok. In the past he was arrested in the state of Illinois for violation of the Ricco Act (racketeering) and because he was also involved in the world of prostitution.

He was condemned to 10 years in prison, but apparently he served 8 out of the 10 years. He appealed his case and lost the appeal! After he was released he was on parole for 5 years. His name is also mentioned as an associate of a notorious family.

DIARIO knows that the government is at the height of such people, and asks how he can be active in the casino industry of Aruba. How did he find a permit to work in this branch with the background that he has? How has the Minister of Justice still not taken action against him? Now that his criminal past is known, what is the government waiting for to take him out of Aruba?

During the [election] campaign which recently came to an end, many comments and rumours were circulating regarding contributions to certain politicians, including those in the [current] government. DIARIO hopes that the issue of campaign moneys remain a rumour, because if true, then there are more politicians for sale than is [already] apparent.

The presence of Michael Posner in the Aruba casino industry, with the criminal past that he has, does not speak well of the judicial control system, nor that of National Security, nor of those in charge to check the background of those who work in the tourism industry of Aruba.

This is the damage that one person with such a bad reputation, who was incarcerated during 8 years, who is associated with a notorious family in America, can cause to the tourism of Aruba.

[translated by Getagrip]
posted by Getagrip at 9:43 PM

[shebacal]

Sorry about the double posts. The post button seems to not activate after I click it. After I click refresh a couple of times and still don't see the post, then when I click post again it posts twice. I guess I should wait longer for the post to "take".

[Malichi]

RGVTx, Thanks for the post. This is why I wish the Kalpoe brothers do use their returned Passports to leave Aruba. There is too much EM activity to get close to Aruba in a boat. I would have to believe that there are JointSTARS or their Dutch equivalent flying out of Aruba or Curacao. Therefore any suspicious surface activity is going to be investigated and I'm sure nobody wants to be busted with a couple of Muslim pukes and a washed up Dutch lawyer and his wife on board. Hell the holidays are just around the corner and I've always been partial to Norman Rockwell's version of Christmas.

So my advice to Deepak and Satish is for them to get their Passports and leave Aruba ASAP.

One caveat though, boys, always...always keep looking behind you. It will be much easier for Mamasan to have an open casket funeral for you when the 7.62mm PBS round hits you between the eyes.

TAW

[RGVTx]

Cruise Ship tourist protests in front of Courthouse http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/news7.html ORANJESTAD (AAN): An American tourist who arrived Wednesday to our island on board the cruise ship Volendam of the Holland America Line, came determined to hold a protest in front of the courthouse. Dressed in a t-shirt that says in the front: Give Natalee Justice and in the back No Body‚ No Crime, the tourist expressed her opinion about Natalee's case in silence. Read in our edition from today what motivated Mrs. Maggie to take this type of action.

[nuntukamen]

now, now, malichi, let's not get carried away; you know perfectly well we are going to use small caliber pistols to the forehead after a few pops in the knees so we can can have a little conversation at the going away party first...you've got to get over this big bullet thing

[truthluva]

mark

[Malichi]

Awwwwwww, and I wanted to use my new suppressed Armalite AR-10T. Just a click that's all it'll take.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Evening CO,
Unfortunately in this case, it has been deception and ruse from day one.

Americans/Canadians have had the opportunity to view the ALE "Keystone Cops" and the Dutch Judicial "Kangaroo Court" system.

If this scenario had been reversed occurring in America or Canada(an aruban teenage girl) our authorities to include the POTUS would have been jumping out of their asses to solve this case and obtain justice.

Maybe our leaders have been listening to that old familiar tune of "Roll With The Punches" performed by Burton Cummings of the Guess Who.

Burton sings, "If your teeth get kicked out, then turn the other cheek and let that SOB kick them back out again! and roll with the punches."

Later on CO,
NSNR-CSAOTL