Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16

Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

[TexKat]

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)

[Canadian Outrage]

Absolutely NSNR - NO country can "shed innocent blood" and get away with it. God says that "the blood of the innocents cries out from the ground to Him and HE will avenge their blood"!! "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God". Our countries have both been doing this for decades. Judgement HAS to fall. And in the Netherlands they are killing EVERYBODY that is not perfect or not convenient. Those "useless eaters" you know!! Yes, destruction ALWAYS comes from within sadly.

[bonfire]

Is there a link for the video with Joran and Natalee (?) at the beach? Thanks in advance.

[MAWG]

The video can be found at uselessjunk.com but, Be Warned, the two in the video are nude and at one point, a sex act is performed. It has been discussed on another Natalee thread.That is where I found it.

[bonfire]

Thanks. and thanks for the warning!

[justche]

I still don't know if we know the whole story and if there are any rifts or not.

As Malachi mentioned earlier and I've seen before, the rumor is that Dave didn't want Natalee going in the first place. While Beth has kept the story getting attention, it could very well be that Dave has decided, well that hasn't worked, so let's try another angle.

I'm not for an instant putting blame on anyone - I just don't think we should be harsh against Dave - we aren't in his shoes.

[bonfire]

Doesn't look like either one. Joran's hair was butched only when he was in jail. The face is totally different. Natalee's hair was longer too.

It's b.s.

[Canadian Outrage]

bonfire, I don't know. I never viewed it and I'm frankly very suspect anyway.

[shebacal]

After viewing the video, I don't think it is either Natalee or Urine.

The guy seems relatively not tall enough to be Urine(6ft-5in), and there is not enough discrepancy between the guy's length and the girl's length on the raft since Natalee is 5'-4"; that's 13 inches difference in height. Also the guy is too muscular in the upper arms to be Urine. Urine's haircut on the night Natalee disappeared (per the photo taken at CnC's that night, that shows Urine with his back to the bar, and looking to his right), was longer, and his hair was much longer on the sides than in the video.

I don't think the face is right for Urine either. I never got the sense that I was looking at Urine, and I don't see that sickening snub nose of his in the video.

The girl's upper arms are too thin in the video, compared to the picture of Natalee and her 3 friends taken at the water's edge on that last day.

I think the girl's hair looks a little too short to be Natalee's. The girl's suntan on her upper body seems too dark for Natalee. Look again at the lightness of Natalee's right upper arm in the slice of photo of her standing on the stage that night at CnC's.

I think this is very clever casting by the producer of the video.

[LucyT]

'Iron Lady' Wants To Kick Out Foreign Petty Crooks (Holland)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 10-1-2005 | David Rennie

Foreigners living in Holland who repeatedly commit petty crimes will face deportation, under plans announced by the country's immigration minister yesterday.

The shift in policy lowers the legal threshold for deporting immigrants holding Dutch residence permits.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1494570/posts

[shebacal]

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/.

Rudy Croes: ‘Twitty’s attitude is incredible’.

SO IS ARUBA’s FREEDOM OF SPEECH, “SHUT HER UP”
September 30th, 2005 by Scared Monkeys

From Amigoe, Friday 30 September 2005, Rudy Croes the Minister of Justice makes some comments regarding Beth Twitty that can only respond to as “things that make you sat hmmm.” Can anyone imagine being banned from a country because of what they say? The United States, where freedom of speech is so sacred and protected that we allow flag burning and pornography as a protected symbol of free speech. However, Aruba seems to think at one persons words make them persona non grata. The nightmare PR adventure continues for Aruba.

According to Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP), there is not much that can be done against Twitty’s attitude. He says that declaring her as persona non grata is no option. The American media would blow that up and it can fire back at us.

A government official of Aruba would actually contemplate not allowing Beth Twitty back to Aruba for the only reason of the fear of what the media would do? You have got to be kidding me? Ever hear of free speech Rudy, or does not that exit in Aruba? I really have to admit that this is not even a matter of taking the Holloway/Twitty side or Aruba’s as many have drawn battle lines. It is more a matter of trying to figure out what type of system really exists in Aruba. With comments like these out of a ruling parties official I actually feel sorry for the actual lack of human rights that really must exist for every day Arubans when “all our back are turned.”

It is a sad commentary and all better take a look at the words that were said. The only reason why the Aruban government does not take action is because of the media retaliation and thus the affect of Aruban tourism. For all those people that have complained of the over-media exposure that the Holloway and Twitty’s have received I guess maybe you can understand now why it was done? Rudy Croes has literally said that without the media coverage they would have treated Beth Twitty completely differently. Minister Croes seems to be forgetting that little fact that Beth Twitty has lost her daughter Natalee Holloway on Aruba.

She is back in all sorts of programs where she calls upon Americans to avoid Aruba as vacation destination. “I can’t understand her attitude. We did everything possible to find her daughter”, said Croes. He hopes of course that one day the teenager will show up, but he said that badmouthing would definitely not contribute to that.

He can’t understand her attitude. People may agree or disagree with Beth Twitty’s reaction to how she is handling the disappearance of Natalee, but I hardly think anyone can say they can’t understand her attitude. Newsflash … her daughter has vanished into thin air while vacationing on your island Justice Minister Croes.

10 days went by before your justice system ever arrested the last people ever to be seen with Natalee. They have reportedly lied during interrogations and Joran has admitted they all three conspired to lie to investigators in the beginning.

Searches of the three suspects homes were delayed as 2 security guards were originally arrested. All three suspects last seen with Natalee are free walking the streets of Aruba and seemingly contradicting their stories in interviews. The frustration level alone of no answers and no sign of her daughter right or wrong is enough to make anyone act like this.

The lack of perceived cooperation and communication even referenced by Dave Holloway the other night is enough to cause complete frustration. Do you really wonder why or how Beth Twitty could not have this attitude? Really?

Your own Prime Minister, the leader of your party has stated mistakes were made. Some how you can’t understand a mother’s frustration that her daughter has vanished. What is even more amazing about Minister Croes’ comments is they seemingly care more about the affects of tourism rather than the where abouts of missing teen, Natalee Holloway. Every time one turns around there is a reference to tourism. Here lies the rub. As much as it is a concern to Minister Croes and Aruba, tourism is not the concern of Beth Twitty. Getting her daughter back is.

Many Aruban people are very angry with Twitty and are afraid that her constant appeals against Aruba would have a negative effect on the tourism. Even though this does not reflect in the figures, the government does keep a finger on the pulse. Croes does not consider taking measures against Twitty yet, but does not rule out the possibility to shut her up in the future. The Dutch government was asked to diplomatically support Aruba in this matter.

If anyone ever wondered why Beth Twitty has taken the approach that she has they only have to look at the following comment to understand. She took this approach as a reaction to what she had dealt with in Aruba. There had been rumblings as to Aruba potenentially not allowing Joe Mammana in Aruba becasue of his past, now it would appear if not for media exposure “free speech” gets you the same.

Croes does not consider taking measures against Twitty yet, but does not rule out the possibility to shut her up in the future.

SHUT HER UP IN THE FUTURE? This is a government position to an American mother whose daughter was on vacation in Aruba (of which Americans make up 70% of the Aruban tourism) and vanished without a trace? I had wondered in the past about the comments against Aruba about the purposeful letting out the suspects while Americans backs were turned and focused on hurricanes in the Gulf Coast, Labor Day festivities and the death of a Chief Supreme Court Justice.

I had wondered whether it was true about the increased fees for satellite feeds. I questioned whether the comment made to Beth about when was she leaving for good may have been slightlly taken out of contest. With an attitude of “shutting someone up” it really makes me wonder. So in other words, the message from Rudy Croes is, unless you play by our rules we not only won’t do anything, we will shut you up?

These comments transcend a missing girl and bring into question how things could actually be manipulated to bring a means to an end. Are there really that few liberties?

This is a free speech issue. I wonder as some sources have relaid to us whether other forms of communication that may be considered “persona non grata”. One wonders when maybe they will attempt to “Shut Scared Monkeys up in the future”?

This is a free speech issue, the main stream media can feel more than welcome to join the fray at any time. It is chilling to know that if not for the fear of what the media would do to Aruba, Beth Twitty would have been treated differently.
-end of article-

[justche]

This is off topic, about the 72 year old woman (Francis Graham) who might have gotten kidnapped, her boyfriend's son is on Greta right now. Why do people go on these shows to lie? Do they really think they are going to get away with this stuff?

[Froufrou]

Thanks for that ping. I hope you'll keep us "posted." My reaction to what you've disclosed is identical to yours.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Good Morning MAWG,
I wonder if anyone has thought this new video of Natalee, might be a damge control ploy pvds/aruban authorities & the dutch.

Point of Order, when the fiasco (murder of innocent men-women-children occurred at Waco. The Klintonese and the rouge elements (Reno) and others were instrumental in producing a movie (CYA) their asses to distort what really happened that day.

Whenever we deal with liberals, communists, and anti-american hating countries, our msm will support the suppression of the real truth.

The bloodsworth's were real good at making commericals, movies and other far left propaganda to hide intended consequences of the klintoonese.

This video comes at the appropriate time to detract from Urine's true character. Pvds is behind this and the rest of the colluding swine. Their ploy is to create doubt about Urine(Piss's and the other POS) role in Natalee's murder.

They attempt to portray Natalee as a wild promiscious teenage girl, with no morals of decency. It is not difficult to give some person(s) a make-over to resemble an intended target of disinformation.

We can all see how far out of bounds the dutch-aruban damage control elements will spread, in an attempt to tarnish a pristine and innocent murder victim's image.

The justice that should have occurred in court, was not in the dutch/aruban play-book. I will add, "to those American(s) who continue to vacation in Aruba, they are low life scum, for they have no loyalty or pride in supporting a fellow American who was drugged, raped and murdered at the hands of two dutch-two surianese POS."

I will add our benevolent politicians let us down once again. Since this young lady was not connected with the upper levels of the house/senate, it was not worthy of a further follow-up for truth/justice.

Poor Natalee, if only she had been a congressman(s) or senator(s) daughter. We would have seen a tenacious, ongoing and relentless pursuit for almighty justice.

Folks we have a severe problem in this country. our politicians are more concerned about third world countries,
trying to make peace between Israel/PA(It Ain't Gonna Happen). We have calypso louie pooping off athe mouth with his hatred for whites and jews.(FBI gives him a free pass)

Billions and millions of our tax dollars going into the pockets of these cess pool countries, which will never be used for the intended purposes.

America has presently lost sight of what our founding father(s)revered.

"They stood together and took care of our own through good times and bad."

America!!! why have you turned your back on our slain daughter??????????????

In closing, it seems our "powers to be" have listened to a distorted song by an old group(The We Five)

"Well They Woke Up This Morning and Natalee Was Not Going To Be On Their Self-Serving Mind(s)"

"They Have Billions To Dole Out To The Thankless Third Worldies Who Will Drop A Nuke On Their Warped Little Political Minds."

"They Have Troubles, Whoa Whoa, They Have Problems Oh No."

"So They Woke Up This Morning and Natalee and America Were Not On Their Political Minds."

Character Speaks For Itself,
NSNR-COC

[penowa]

For those of you interested in the porn video or whatever it is, some information that may or may not shed some light on it. By the way, it was sent to NH's family and they say it is not her. Also, the guy in the video was never supposed to be Joran. When it began to circulate, the story that went with it was, "Who is this guy w/NH?" Supposedly the REAL boyfriend and if he could just be ID'd, the probable "killer."

In conjunction with Joran's interview on ACA: First Dan of RWV puts out "inside info" that the "drunken slut deserved what she got and I have pictures"; next comes the video of the real killer with the slut. I have not seen the video, but people who have say it can't be enlarged to get a good look at her face close up or his.

Anyway, last nite one of the "seminar" posters on SM who acknowledges being sent by the Aruban task force (Bondia) posts an article purported to be from an unnamed Philadelphia paper touting an American hired by the task force to do PR. Shortly after that a poster comes up with photos of the guy with the VDS family celebrating the release of Joran from jail! Then someone googles the guy and discovers he does PR for a group of unnamed US "adult film" cos. You don't suppose this guy has any connection to the fake porn video of NH, do you? You don't suppose he has ties to any Mafia figures who own casinos and have served a sentence on federal felony charges, part of which had to do with distributing porn, do you? (Yes, back in the '80's, federal courts still were prosecuting people for porn before it became "free speech!")

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Morning Penowa,
Your idea could be very accurate in illuminating the darkness of the Aruban/Dutch crime Cartel.

I do not believe this film to be implicated with the American Cosa Nostra. I frankly believe, they have more integrity than many of our politicians.

Always good to see fresh new ideas surfacing in the pursuit of justice for a noble cause.

I tend to believe the film was promulgated by the untermenschen aruban/dutch (save our tourist industry machine&four POS criminal murdering perps.

"Leave No Stone In The Brook Unturned, In The Quest For Justice."
The Sky Turned Hell-Fire Red,
NSNR-CSAOTL

[LucyT]

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[RGVTx]

I just heard that the boyfriend has been arrested for murder of the mother of the little 4 year old girl that was found wandering the roads alone. I mention this because the mother's body has not been found, yet murder charges have been filed. No body, no crime does not apply here.

[NCjim]

Your friend is right - the phrase "going to hell in a handbasket" comes to mind.

This just appeared on FR:

First Trio "Married" in The Netherlands

[upstatenyrepublican]

I heard from a reliable source that the father of the child confessed. No body necessary, but most likely he will tell where it is.

[shebacal]

http://www.al.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1128159699281700.xml&coll=2
From: The Birmingham News
The 'Wall of Hope' comes down
Notes to Holloway to be stored for future exhibit
Saturday, October 01, 2005
HANNAH WOLFSON
News staff writer

Taking down the "Wall of Hope" dedicated to missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway could be seen as the end of an era.

But friends and family of Holloway who gathered Friday to disassemble the wooden wall say their search is far from complete.

"Watching it come down does not mean this is over," said Marcia Twitty, Holloway's aunt. "It just means we're in a new phase. We're just working on what the next steps are."

She said the wall was taken down to protect it from the weather, which was starting to fade and wash off some of the hundreds of notes and signatures. It will be stored in a downtown warehouse owned by Holloway's parents and friends until it can be restored and preserved. Her family said it could go on exhibit sometime in the future, but no arrangements have been made.

A note and yellow ribbon were left in its place at the entrance to the youth center at Mountain Brook Community Church.

The wall went up June 8, just over a week after Holloway, 18, disappeared on a trip to Aruba with other recent graduates from Mountain Brook High School.

It was the brainstorm of Eddie Culpeper, who said he got involved because his daughter was on a trip to Mexico with students from Gardendale High at the time Holloway disappeared. Modeled after the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, it began as two painted plywood sheets topped with a photo of Holloway carved into black granite. Over the summer, it expanded five times.

"It's kind of sad," Culpeper said as he helped dismantle his creation. "I wish there was some closure to this."

Notes came from as far away as California, Culpeper said, and they lined even the brackets supporting the wooden panels. There were sketches from her closest friends at Mountain Brook High, crosses and poems from strangers, and wishes from groups such as Calera High School and the Mountain Brook Fire Department.

One note even came from her stepfather, George "Jug" Twitty, who on Friday helped load pieces of the wall onto a flatbed truck owned by his company, Phoenix Metals. Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, was in New York and Philadelphia this week discussing the case with attorneys and others.

Twitty said he first saw the wall when he returned from Aruba about a month after Holloway disappeared. He signed it "I love you, Natalee, Jugless" - the nickname her closest friends called him.

"You know, it made me cry," he said.


E-mail: hwolfson@bhamnews.com