Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16

To: Canadian Outrage

I posted this earlier. ANd I'm just reiterating how I see it and pasting it again. We can all sympathize with Beth, Dave, Jug, and Robin, but we can't know what it's like to go to sleep at night with all the thoughts that must run through their heads. I'd like to see everyone remain supportive to the parents.

I agree with you on many things. I don't on this one. I think the chance (however remote) that his girl is alive, or that someone knows where she is, would make him walk on fire. So if he has to be nice to people that he'd rather not be, he'd do it in a heartbeat. He's no idiot, he's a dad who is missing part of his heart. I think he deserves our support whether we agree with him 100% or not.

2,261 posted on 09/29/2005 5:33:50 PM PDT by justche (The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful and has nobody to thank.)

thank you for the links

2,262 posted on 09/29/2005 5:35:49 PM PDT by justche (The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful and has nobody to thank.)

To: Canadian Outrage

Yeah, I agree with you. However, I wonder if Dave isn't trying to work out some kind of deal. No prosecution, no boycott, just give me my baby's body and I'll leave you alone.

I think the rift growing between the Holloways and the Twittys has it's roots in the rumor that Dave was vehemently opposed to Natalee taking the trip in the first place.

TAW

2,263 posted on 09/29/2005 6:08:12 PM PDT by Malichi (!)

members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

From 9-27 post

On 9-27 when JUG was asked about DAVE HOLLOWAY’s 9-16 meeting with ARUBA prosecutor JANSSEN, JUG told “FoxNews,” “I don’t think anything really came out of it, Greta. I was disappointed. You know, the last time I asked Beth today, I said, you know, Have you talked to Karin Janssen? When’s the last time you talked to her? And honestly, the last time that she’s talked to Karin Janssen was August the 28th. And what’s today, the 27th of September? I mean, that’s almost a month ago, and that was when I was with Beth down there. We flew back down to have a meeting with Karin. And it was such a heated conversation that after we left the meeting, she cut my information off. You know, I had a person that was a liaison between the police and us, a personal friend, and before I could even get back to the hotel room, she had already called and cut it off.”

With Jug cut off from information and Beth talking to Janssen last on August 28th, someone needs to keep an avenue for information open, and it looks like Dave has taken the responsibility to do it.

2,264 posted on 09/29/2005 7:55:48 PM PDT by imaketypos

To: LongViewSC; All

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9530154/

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 28th

snip...COSBY: And we have exclusive new information in the Natalee Holloway case tonight. We‘re learning about new members of the team that will not give up in their search for Natalee on the island of Aruba. Beth Holloway Twitty joins me now live from Philadelphia. She‘s also joined with philanthropist Joe Mammana, who has donated a lot of money in support of finding Natalee.

Beth, first to you. Why are you in Philadelphia? I understand you now have a new addition, an attorney, in the case. Tell us about it.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF MISSING GIRL: Well, I did meet with an attorney today, Rita. And you know, we really just don‘t want to leave any stone unturned. And if there‘s any other avenue that we can pursue, you know, we want to do that. We just really don‘t—we just really haven‘t been able to look at any of our options here. So you know, that‘s kind of where we are, and we‘re just beginning this process.

COSBY: Now, this attorney is Marty Trichon. Tell us a little bit about him, if you could, Beth or Joe, either one of you.

JOE MAMMANA, PHILADELPHIA PHILANTHROPIST: Well, how‘re you doing, Rita? Marty is one of my attorneys, who‘s been on retainer, works with my company. He‘s a former prosecutor. He‘s hard-core, doesn‘t leave any stones unturned. And he‘s a little different than I. He always believes I over E—intellect over emotion. So intellectually, he‘s putting everything together. He‘s going to circle the wagons in both directions and sit and we‘re going to review what is the best option to move forward.

We‘re also bringing in a gentleman named Eliot Curson (ph). We‘ll be meeting with him tomorrow in Philadelphia. He was involved in 1980 with President Reagan and his—I guess his reelection campaign. So we‘re bringing a public relation person in. And again, we‘re going to put a team together that will be second to none, and we‘ll follow their advice.

COSBY: And Joe, what are some of the options that both of you are looking at?

MAMMANA: Well, you know, I can speak for myself. I won‘t speak for Beth. But my options are—personally, I would like to go after the island of Aruba in every way possible. These people have not been honest. They have not been fair. I personally want to boycott it and go for a national boycott of the island of Aruba.

I want this little smug punk named Joran, or whatever his name is, to realize, to get the little grin off his face, and that light that he sees at the end of the tunnel is a train coming head on. I am not going to until we know where Natalee Holloway is and until Beth Twitty can put her head on a pillow at night and go to sleep peacefully.

COSBY: And she certainly deserves that. But I want to show you a comment because Joran, as you know, did an interview recently with “A Current Affair.” A lot of us were just very shocked at even some of the inconsistencies within his own interview. Let me just show a little clip and get your reaction.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY DISAPPEARANCE: Well, obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink, too. But now they don‘t respect that. The Aruban authorities tried to pin it that it was a rape case. She wanted to go with me. I wanted to go with her. It was totally consensual. I had something to drink, and she had something to drink.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: You know, Beth, you have seen this case. You know this case inside and out. You‘ve seen the police statements. How many inconsistent statements are—and do you believe there was anything consensual about after they left the bar?

TWITTY: Well, you know, Rita, first, before he begins that statement, he prefaces it with that Natalee was saying a lot of strange things. And I mean, he says that twice, and then he says, Obviously, she‘s drunk. So I mean, it sounds like to me that—that she‘s possibly been drugged, also in how he has her talking. And then in his statements, he describes Natalee as coming in and out of consciousness repeatedly while he is performing these sexual assaults against her. And I just can‘t see how in the world that would be considered consensual.

COSBY: Do you believe that rape charges should be filed, Beth? Because even in light of that, look at what Deepak said. Deepak said, you know, in the comment with Jamie Skeeters (ph), the polygrapher and investigator who was down there—you and I both know—I mean, he essentially said, We all had sex with her. And then we know that he was—you know, in and out of consciousness. Don‘t you think that that‘s enough to even go after possible rape charges?

TWITTY: You know, Rita, I cannot—I just—I have a hard time—I just can‘t believe that they cannot, you know, bring charges against him for rape. I mean, it‘s just so clear—well, no, it‘s not just clear, it‘s crystal clear that these men have committed this crime against Natalee. I mean, it‘s a gang rape.

COSBY: How frustrated are you, Beth, when you see this interview,

too, and here he is in Holland, having a good old time, hanging out, like -

and then he said—there was another, part, too. We showed a little clip (INAUDIBLE) show last night, Beth, where he essentially said, I‘m not going to tell you everything now, I‘ll tell you at some point. How outraged are you? Give us the whole story.

TWITTY: Oh, Rita, it is so difficult to—you know, every time I hear this interview from Joran, I just—I mean, I just can‘t believe that these words are coming from him and—you know, because I‘ve seen his statements, and I‘ve read five of them, or had them translated. And you know, that‘s what needs to be read. And where Joran is describing that he‘s having sex with her at his home and—you know, it‘s just amazing that he still continues to place all the blame on Natalee. I mean, he‘s saying that the reason why was because Natalee was drunk. It was her fault, because she wanted to go with him. I mean, he accepts absolutely none of this responsibility.

COSBY: Yes, it‘s outrageous. It‘s everybody else‘s fault but his own. Beth, what do you hope to achieve, also, with—with these new folks, with Eliot Curson and also Marty Trichon? What do you—what do you hope? Do you hope to call for sort of an overall boycott to maybe try to put pressure for more charges?

TWITTY: Well, you know, Rita, we really don‘t know what all might come from this. And you know, as far as my stand on that, I have been asking the millions of people that have supported our family through this, you know, if they would please consider not traveling to Aruba and other Dutch territories, just until Natalee is returned to us. And they—the island has the ability to make this happen.

COSBY: What do you think is the most important thing, that these two folks, obviously, very capable folks with their strong backgrounds, having them, having Joe—what is sort of the most important priority with this new group for you?

TWITTY: Well, you know, Rita, it‘s how we‘ve done this whole investigation, and it‘s just, hopefully, a new door will open and we will enter. You know, that‘s how we‘ve looked at this. We feel like we‘ve been on a path. And you know, as long as another door can be opened, we‘re going to go through is it and just see what happens. We just don‘t know yet, Rita.

COSBY: Well, both of you, please keep us posted. And our prayers are with you. And you know, whatever we can do, we‘re there for both of you guys. Thank you so much.

TWITTY: Thank you, Rita.

MAMMANA: Thank you, Rita.

COSBY: Thank you both.

2,265 posted on 09/29/2005 8:42:29 PM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)

Good Morning Jim,
I did not see the article you referenced prior. When people of a country go against what God created as to (marriage/procreation) they are doomed.

This netherlands plan would would be par for babies with defects at birth under a shrillary killitoonese admin in America.

I would also include the very old people, deemed not viable for medical coverage under the klintonese health care(social) program.

In 2008 the voters of America will decide, whether or not the civil war part 2, takes place in our time.

I'll Take My Stand,
NSNR-CSAOTL

2,266 posted on 09/30/2005 5:25:24 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat

To: No Surrender No Retreat

2,267 posted on 09/30/2005 5:57:57 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)

Interesting information in the new Enquirer article:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63326

2,268 posted on 09/30/2005 6:28:19 AM PDT by Andy'smom

In time, it will all come out. He and the Kowpukes are killers and will pay, one way or the other.

2,269 posted on 09/30/2005 6:46:53 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)

I'd like to see everyone remain supportive to the parents. ...he's a dad who is missing part of his heart. I think he deserves our support whether we agree with him 100% or not.

I agree with what you said above, but Dave should get over his rift with Beth and get on the same page. There would be no world support behind him or Beth if it was not for Beth. When Dave makes it a argument between him and Beth he defeats the cause and it does make me question his intelligence.

2,270 posted on 09/30/2005 7:26:28 AM PDT by LongViewSC

2,271 posted on 09/30/2005 9:06:34 AM PDT by Mama25 (The only chaps a girl can trust are those she wears)

Did you view the video of Natalee and Joran on the raft in the water? I did. I'm curious as to your reaction.

2,272 posted on 09/30/2005 10:26:23 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)

Fake Trash...Some people will even defame dead victims for money.

Porn was probably a major contributing factor the gang of three wanting to rape and kill. Better becareful if you are toying with porn. I remember the Bundy interviews.

2,273 posted on 09/30/2005 10:44:55 AM PDT by LongViewSC

I'm not toying with anything. And it takes a LOT MORE than porn to make a Ted Bundy.And, I'm not ready to dismiss this digital video yet either although I have strong doubts as to its authenticity.

2,274 posted on 09/30/2005 11:01:35 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)

How do I go about seeing the video mentioned?

2,275 posted on 09/30/2005 11:41:21 AM PDT by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)

It is not something I'm willing to post here but if you will send me your email address in a private reply, I'll gladly send it to you. Going into a meeting now but will respond to you when I am out.

2,276 posted on 09/30/2005 11:45:10 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)

I saw part of it. I had to turn it off. My gut reaction is that it is not Joran. Not enough was shown of the face of the female for me to determine if it was Natalee or not.

What did you think?

2,277 posted on 09/30/2005 12:19:14 PM PDT by Andy'smom

I have studied the video and can't honestly say that it does not look like Natalee. It does to me. That is a far cry however from me saying it is definitely. The guy looks like Joran but, I dont think he looks to be six foot five. He doesnt look to me to be much taller than the girl. I certainly wouldn't convict on this evidence alone.

2,278 posted on 09/30/2005 1:10:53 PM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)

I agree with you - the girl looks more like Natalee than the guy looks like Joran.

2,279 posted on 09/30/2005 1:31:24 PM PDT by Andy'smom

If they do have a rift it would serve BOTH of them well to keep it PRIVATE!! If the Arubans can divide and CONQUER they will!!

2,280 posted on 09/30/2005 1:35:51 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us western Canuks should separate from Central Canada and join the USA. More Repubs!!)

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