Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
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I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
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To: cajungirl

I think they know it. And sweat.

I agree.

941 posted on 07/01/2005 5:44:44 PM PDT by presently no screen name

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To: presently no screen name

You're welcome.

I thought for a while Nat might have a chance if she were still alive when the Holloways got there and the press arrived. I thought the big dogs would get her back real quick. but the fact that they didn't right away convinced me she was dead. And that Joran did it or Joran and his boys. Or Joran a/o his father, etc. But I knew if she was alive in Venezuela, she would be produced.

The Casa Nostra are vicious but not dumb. They know how to keep a low profile.

942 posted on 07/01/2005 5:46:38 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

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To: cajungirl

And the Cuntrera/Curianos are linked to arms smuggling and have ties in the middle east.

And then factor in heroin from Afghanistan and it seems that this crap is all intertwined. It's actually not so much of an onion as a matrix. There is no bottom to it...it is a network of evil.

And you are right. The VDS's have just stepped in it...and tracked it into the house. Hehe, pride goeth before the fall.

943 posted on 07/01/2005 5:47:03 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: Fred Nerks

Hey Freddie.

944 posted on 07/01/2005 5:48:21 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: Dark Skies

I was amazed at the breadth of all of this. And the everchanging landscape. The most interesting part was the description of Canada as a laboratory for organized international crime. And the influx of Chinese gangs, Chechens, et into Canada. And how they are acting as independent contractors for time limited jobs rather than as a family/culture like the Casa Nostra.

You have to admit it, these Dudes have great capacity to adapt.

946 posted on 07/01/2005 5:49:50 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

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To: Lizarde; All

Aruban spokesman: Detainees could be charged by Monday

7/1/2005, 7:28 p.m. CT

By PETER PRENGAMAN The Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba's chief government spokesman said Friday that three young men detained in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager have not been formally charged but could be as soon as Monday.

Earlier, Aruba's attorney general, Karin Janssen, told The Associated Press that the young men had been charged with murder since their arrest three weeks ago.

"The three have been charged with the murder of Natalee Holloway from the beginning" of their arrest 10 days after the young woman went missing May 30, she said in a recorded interview. "At the time, we didn't want to upset the family talking about murder while they searched."

The attorney general and other Aruban officials have said for weeks that no one has been charged in the 18-year-old's disappearance. Janssen said authorities also withheld information about the charges in order not to compromise their investigation. Authorities have said they have no physical evidence suggesting Holloway is dead.

The government spokesman, Ruben Trapenberg, contacted the AP following the English-language interview with Janssen.

"This is a question of semantics. It's been a problem since Day One," Trapenberg said. "The charging is a formal process that happens later on. It could happen as soon as Monday."

Return calls to Janssen were not immediately returned.

Trapenberg did not clarify what charges could be filed against the three. They had been scheduled to go before a judge Monday to learn whether their detentions would be extended another 60 days. Under Dutch law that governs Aruba, a protectorate of the Netherlands, detainees can be held 116 days before being charged by a judge.

Janssen said 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers who are his friends have been charged since their arrest June 9 — 10 days after the disappearance of Holloway. The teen disappeared on the the last day of a five-day vacation with 124 students from Mountain Brook, Ala., celebrating their high school graduation.

All court hearings in the case have been closed to the public.

Police have been criticized for letting more than a week go by without detaining the three young men last seen with Holloway and for waiting 16 days after she went missing before searching van der Sloot's home.

"The stupidest thing to do is run and arrest them because an hour later they will go free and you have nothing," Janssen told the AP.

When asked if the young men would have had time to destroy evidence, Janssen acknowledged the possibility but said "it didn't happen in this case."

Van der Sloot's family and lawyer have said the 17-year-old is innocent of any crime. Efforts to reach them or the Holloway family on Friday were not successful.

Janssen said the prosecution was centering its case around e-mail and cell phone text messages written between the suspects the night Holloway disappeared. Janssen declined to offer further details about the messages, but said not having a body would make getting a murder conviction "more difficult but not impossible."

Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, and van der Sloot were the last ones seen with Holloway the night she disappeared. Four other people — including van der Sloot's father, Paul, a high-ranking island judicial official — were detained and released.

The three young men initially told police that after a night of eating, drinking and dancing, they took Holloway to a northern beach before dropping her off at her hotel around 2 a.m. Satish Kalpoe's lawyer has since said his client now claims that he and his brother dropped Holloway and Joran van der Sloot off together at a beach near the Marriott hotel, then went home.

947 posted on 07/01/2005 5:50:00 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: cajungirl

Hezbollah is active on the island? I wondered about the beheading! Any connection? Message I got from that was nobody was going to talk. Or live, their choice.

948 posted on 07/01/2005 5:52:41 PM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, liberal mofos!)

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To: monkeywrench; CheneyChick

Namentown,namentown,namentown,namentown.....

If you wish to opine.

949 posted on 07/01/2005 5:55:20 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: Lizarde

Remember Beth said something about June 11 - and the word "coverup" was used - as usual I can't remember the details!

I remember her "threatening" something like she was going to go back to June 11.

Somehow I think Beth and her family brought some standards to the investigation (through theirs and the media's questions) along with some details that have the authorities in a box. By last night the Twitty's seemed to be saying they just wanted their daughter and wanted to leave...they didn't care about the prosecution. But it seems to late for all that.

951 posted on 07/01/2005 5:56:55 PM PDT by Dolphy

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To: johnb838

Not on the island. The cuntrera/curiano Casa Nostra family has a transnational criminal enterprise. They live in Venezuela along the Colombian border and used to run Aruba till they were forced out.

They run guns, are said to, to Hezbollah and other groups like that. Their reach is worldwide,,Asia,middle east.

But that part is not out of Aruba to my knowledge. They do all kinds of stuff,,,drugs, money laundering, sex trade, arms running.

952 posted on 07/01/2005 5:57:03 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

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To: the Deejay

No bloviating, my job.

953 posted on 07/01/2005 5:58:43 PM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, liberal mofos!)

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To: cajungirl

OK, that sounds about right. Interesting that Canada is rotten to the core, but not surprising. I've got an idea, lets merge with them.

954 posted on 07/01/2005 6:00:08 PM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, liberal mofos!)

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To: the Deejay

Argh-h-h! :)

955 posted on 07/01/2005 6:00:54 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: johnb838; monkeywrench

The SPIN.....STOPS RIGHT HERE.

956 posted on 07/01/2005 6:05:18 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: the Deejay

LOL

957 posted on 07/01/2005 6:08:14 PM PDT by CheneyChick

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To: Dark Skies

funny place that Aruba, hey? Any muzzies live there?

958 posted on 07/01/2005 6:08:41 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)

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To: the Deejay

The SPIN.....STOPS RIGHT HERE.

What say you?

959 posted on 07/01/2005 6:08:55 PM PDT by CheneyChick

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To: CheneyChick

Bookmark

960 posted on 07/01/2005 6:09:31 PM PDT by Otta B Sleepin

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