Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
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(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
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To: TexKat

Hannity's been out most of the week, too.

921 posted on 07/01/2005 5:29:35 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: TexKat

Hannity's been out most of the week, too.

922 posted on 07/01/2005 5:29:49 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

Natalee Holloway a wòrdu asesiná ? (2)

Van der Straten doesn't believe Natalee is alive (Friday): While Chief prosecutor Karin Janssen stated this week that they don’t have any indication that Natalee Holloway is dead, during an interview this week Police Superintendent Jan van der Straten told the reporter that he doesn’t believe that Natalee is still alive. Maybe this should only be interpreted as his personal opinion but the fact remains that he has inside information and knows how the investigation is going. So he is basing his opinion on the facts. With regard to Natalee’s status, van der Straaten gave the following statement to a Dutch reporter:

Rep: Hebt u nog hoop op een goede afloop? Jan: Hoop moet je altijd hebben, maar ik geloof niet meer dat we Natalee levend zullen terugvinden. Rep: Waarom niet? Jan: Omdat ik het onderzoek ken en u niet.

HBK-Translation:

Rep: Any hopes for a positive outcome? Jan: You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive. Rep: Why not? Jan: Because I know the details of the investigation and you don't !

The story was published by a couple of newspapers in The Netherlands yesterday and today. You can view one of the Dutch reports here in Haagsche Courant (local newspaper of The Hague)

NOTE :We’ve been receiving e-mails from visitors who believe that Jan van der Straten is just playing a game with press. This is definitely possible, but according to Riehl the MSM is reporting today that some 'physical forensic evidence' may have been found. Also van der Straten is retiring next month, so he doesn’t have any reason to hold himself back or fear that his career will be affected by his statements. Until now he has been forthcoming with the (Dutch) press.

924 posted on 07/01/2005 5:31:35 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Dark Skies

"But the businesses they are in require the develop of layers of protection "

Probably not in a little place like aruba. Who's gonna touch him?

925 posted on 07/01/2005 5:32:06 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: monkeywrench

noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

LOL

926 posted on 07/01/2005 5:32:46 PM PDT by Jrabbit

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To: Dark Skies

I think Jossy was described as the "mouthpiece" of the Mansurs. The Mansurs took up the mantle of running the criminal enterprises after the Casa Nostra Dudes, Cuntrera/Curiano family, were forced out. I don't think they ever really left. And the Mansurs probably sort of report to them.

I see the Mansurs as big fish in their little pond, but the real power is in Venezuela/Columbia where the cuntrera/curianos have a huge spread from where they run their enterprises.

I have no doubt the big dogs of crime in Aruba want Joran served up to appease us, they don't want us talking about this stuff. And Jossy looks real upset it isn't happening and it isn't because he is a dear old man. He has his orders. I don't understand who is protecting Joran. His father is a very small fry especially as he is no judge.

927 posted on 07/01/2005 5:32:57 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

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To: the Deejay

Hannity's been out most of the week, too.

I'll just take the 5th on that one, lol.

928 posted on 07/01/2005 5:33:17 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: cajungirl

Why do I feel like I am in the FBI?

Researching this family and others on the island opened my eyes. It was amazing.

929 posted on 07/01/2005 5:34:59 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

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To: monkeywrench

Wouldn't it be funny if BO' turned up in aruba to do greta's show tonight?

monkeywrench, funny is not exactly the word I would use.

930 posted on 07/01/2005 5:35:39 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: cajungirl

but the real power is in Venezuela/Columbia

You is a schmart cookie! Follow the money.

931 posted on 07/01/2005 5:37:01 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: TexKat

It would be the most ridiculous item of the day.

932 posted on 07/01/2005 5:37:25 PM PDT by CheneyChick

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To: Dark Skies

Speaking of money - did the details come out on the ATM withdrawal/s?

934 posted on 07/01/2005 5:38:19 PM PDT by CheneyChick

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To: CheneyChick

Pithy!

935 posted on 07/01/2005 5:39:39 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: Dark Skies

The most interesting link was the link to Hezbollah! I did not know that some 6000 Muslims with Terrorists links are in the same area as the Casa Nostra. And the Cuntrera/Curianos are linked to arms smuggling and have ties in the middle east.

Man, you just can't keep up with these guys. So Joran and Paulus are dancing on the head of a pin right over a volcano. I think they know it. And sweat.

937 posted on 07/01/2005 5:40:39 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

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To: TexKat

Thanks.

938 posted on 07/01/2005 5:41:46 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)

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To: cajungirl

Thank you - your research early on opened my eyes also.

939 posted on 07/01/2005 5:43:13 PM PDT by presently no screen name

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To: CheneyChick

It would be the most ridiculous item of the day.

LOL, you've got that right. BOr is not that stupid to go to Aruba bloviating.

Every time I think of O'Reilly's show when he had those couple of rappers on I just crack up.

940 posted on 07/01/2005 5:44:01 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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