Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
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(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

Were these 3 not questioned on last Sunday. If so, has there been any more reports of any other evidence gathered? If not, then I don't see them being any more than what they were yesterday (suspects).

901 posted on 07/01/2005 5:08:26 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: cajungirl

There is something sort of old world about these gangsters.

And that is probably the only thing attractive about these people. Good people love people, even looking for reasons to like bad folks. And to me that is one of the reasons humans are so damned interesting. The good love the bad (even though they know the bad would kill them in a second). Power of good over evil...shadow harbinger of things to come.

If Jossy is the patriarch, he is rotten to the core. I don't think that is so. I would imagine Jossy is trying to pull his bloodline out of the mire of evil. He probably ain't a bad guy...but he knows bad people (blood is awfully thick) and he knows how they operate.

He is probably in denial as to his family's guilt, but he can help. There is someone who knows the cost of this debacle. Millions. All due to a young playboy.

If I were the patriarch (I am a devout Christian, so this isn't possible for me), I would use some rather direct and effective means for getting to the truth...I would be p!ssed.

902 posted on 07/01/2005 5:08:42 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: Jrabbit; Canadian Outrage

Nobody has been charged with a crime

I'm just about to give up on this case.

Just when it looked like some light at the end of a tunnel.....

someone shut off the electricity.

903 posted on 07/01/2005 5:09:30 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: demkicker; Jrabbit

Nothing has changed, IMHO. Just another roller coaster ride for poor Beth. I have no respect for their asinine legal system.

They keep saying "no body, no crime", so I don't believe they have a shred of evidence against these guys.

This is not a game.

904 posted on 07/01/2005 5:09:57 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

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To: demkicker

And you are serious, right? I seriously need to seriously check.

I don't actually think Jossy is the head of the family. But I could be wrong.

Help me with your point...not sure I get it.

905 posted on 07/01/2005 5:11:00 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: Jrabbit

HOORAY! Tony Snow in for O'Reilly again......

O'Reilly is still brooding over Greta's ratings or Fox have given him time off to get himself together for his treatment of the out-in-the field reporters as well they should. :)

906 posted on 07/01/2005 5:12:16 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Jrabbit

"Nobody has been charged with a crime.....no such terminology in Aruba..."

Sounds like some kind of power struggle within the police/ justice depts. Why the cruel games, otherwise?

907 posted on 07/01/2005 5:13:38 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: Dark Skies

You have a nice view of our beloved Jossy.

do a google on him and read the hits. Or look at that piece posted by Nita. Jossy is really really da man.

908 posted on 07/01/2005 5:14:09 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

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To: Jrabbit

Media now doesn't trust the prosecuter....she's on a full court press because the case was botched from the beginning. According to David Lee Miller...Fox

Good, and rightfully so.... It was a joke from the get-go. Hell, it took Beth & Jug flying down to jump start the losers up off of their asses to APPEAR that they were serious about finding out about Natalee's fate. Give me a break... Aruban justice is a joke.

909 posted on 07/01/2005 5:15:35 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

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To: Canadian Outrage

Precisely, and now the AP story appears to have overstated the facts. Dammit, I feel even more badly for Natalee's mom and the entire family. JMJ.

I hope Greta is still on the island.

910 posted on 07/01/2005 5:16:20 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)

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To: TexKat

Wouldn't it be funny if BO' turned up in aruba to do greta's show tonight?

911 posted on 07/01/2005 5:16:54 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: Dark Skies

I'm too far behind and in the wrong hemisphere, but did you see this?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1434895/posts

912 posted on 07/01/2005 5:18:00 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)

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To: Dark Skies

I really like the way you think & the way your mind works. You've definitely added 'food for thought' on this thread.

913 posted on 07/01/2005 5:18:05 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

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To: TexKat

O'Reilly is still brooding over Greta's ratings or Fox have given him time off to get himself together for his treatment of the out-in-the field reporters as well they should. :)

ROTFLMAO

914 posted on 07/01/2005 5:19:53 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

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To: Dark Skies

I freeped mailed you some info on Mansurs and Jossy. I will send you the link if you want it. But read it and see what you think.

915 posted on 07/01/2005 5:20:42 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

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To: Fred Nerks

I'm too far behind and in the wrong hemisphere, but did you see this?

Misinformation Fred.

916 posted on 07/01/2005 5:21:48 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: demkicker

Whatever I watch on TV, it counts for 65,000 households. I am doing my part for Greta...lol.

917 posted on 07/01/2005 5:21:52 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)

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To: Fred Nerks

See posts 872 & 885 of this thread.

918 posted on 07/01/2005 5:23:35 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: monkeywrench

Sounds like some kind of power struggle within the police/ justice depts. Why the cruel games, otherwise?

this seemed to be happening early in the case too. details came from LE and then another LE said "wrong."

weasels.

919 posted on 07/01/2005 5:23:35 PM PDT by alrea

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To: cajungirl; jan in Colorado

Jossy is really really da man.

Might be. But the businesses they are in require the develop of layers of protection (google "cut out" and "money laundering"). Organized crime is like an onion. Beneath the guy you finger...is another one...and another.

As I said, he might be the big guy. But if I were the big guy...I wouldn't want a public face. Diario is the island mouthpiece. This is either the cleverest and most arrogant disguise I have seen or there is a whole other layer (maybe an entire onion) below Jossy.

In crime, it is always a good idea to imagine things may be more complicated than one has imagined.

920 posted on 07/01/2005 5:26:16 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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