Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
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To: TexKat

Just discovered this:

There have been reports that four women have vanished from Aruba since 1998.

One note on a message board even speculates that there may be a serial killer at large.

But police on the island, which depends on its $565 million- a-year tourist industry, deny kidnappings occur regularly.

A police spokesman said: "We know nothing of any other missing persons from this island and we have received no further reports of women being attacked. We regard our island as a safe place for tourists to visit and the Natalee Holloway case won't change that."

Published on: 06/17/2005
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63308

621 posted on 07/01/2005 12:15:32 PM PDT by Lucy Lake

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To: WestCoastGal

I don't think Nancy Grace want to go to Aruba. The brisk breezes might upset her hairdo.

622 posted on 07/01/2005 12:15:33 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)

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To: TexKat

"Joran told him that Natalee was drinking and taking drugs."

That's par for the course, trash the victim.

This must be excuse #?? for her disappearance from him.

It still boils down to him being the last one seen with her. He is lying over and over. No reason to lie if he wasn't responsible for what happened to her.

623 posted on 07/01/2005 12:21:16 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (If you're LURKING and reading you should be DONATING to the FReepathon!! Go Jr ~8~)

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To: Palladin

lol True, she's not the rough and tumble type like Greta.

:-)

624 posted on 07/01/2005 12:23:28 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (If you're LURKING and reading you should be DONATING to the FReepathon!! Go Jr ~8~)

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To: grizzfan

Serial killer, eh? Well, Joran would have been ten years old in 1998. But Paul VDS would have been in his forties. Perfect age for an SK.

Oh, what's that you say--he's a civil servant, good Protestant, married for 20 years to the same woman, upstanding citizen? Not the profile of an SK?

Well then-- just look at Dennis Rader of Wichita, Kansas. Confessed serial killer. Married for 30 years, 2 grown kids, Boy Scout Leader, President of his Lutheran congregation.

Maybe Paul VDS was sweating bullets when Greta interviewed him in his home because he has A LOT TO HIDE...not just assisting his son in the disposal of a body.

When are we going to send down the CIA? Oh, never mind--they're already there, doing a covert op on this case.

625 posted on 07/01/2005 12:25:07 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)

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To: elli1; Altair333; truthluva; struggle; Coast2Capitol; Sonny M; MississippyMuddy; goldensky; ...

Note to Ms pingers
For those of you who were not aware:

Natalee Holloway's biological father is a State Farm agent based in Meridian, Mississippi.

Dave Holloway has worked for State Farm for 20 years. According to a State Farm spokesman, e-mails are being circulated throughout the company by employees...

She also attended Jr High School in Clinton Ms.

626 posted on 07/01/2005 12:31:46 PM PDT by WKB (A closed mind is a good thing to lose.)

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To: toldyou

Joe Huston of Texas EquuSearch tests the ocean current with an air filled ball at the mouth of a cave on the northwestern coast of Aruba, Friday, July 1, 2005, in a search for missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway who disappeared on this Dutch Caribbean Island on May 30. (AP Photo/Leslie Mazoch)

Members of Texas EquuSearch Joe Huston of Houston, Texas, left, and Gene Ralston of Boise, Idaho throw an air filled ball into the ocean at the mouth of a cave to test the water currents on the northwestern coast of Aruba, Friday, July 1, 2005, in their search for missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway who disappeared on this Dutch Caribbean Island on May 30. (AP Photo/Leslie Mazoch)

Aruba defends probe in missing teen case

627 posted on 07/01/2005 12:35:51 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: WKB

Sorry I haven't hollered at you WKB. Pretty interesting stuff, huh? How are things over in the Anding area?

628 posted on 07/01/2005 12:37:28 PM PDT by Malichi

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To: Malichi

How are things over in the Anding area?

The train still goes by everyday. :>)

629 posted on 07/01/2005 12:39:22 PM PDT by WKB (A closed mind is a good thing to lose.)

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To: grizzfan

There have been reports that four women have vanished from Aruba since 1998

Aruba is no different from any other place on earth. I don't know who they think they are kidding when they continuously spout we regard our island as a safe place for tourists to visit.

We have thought that some places here in America were safe (some churches for one), we found out that we were wrong.

Aruba has its share of thiefs, murderers, swindlers, dope pushers, etc just like every other place on this earth.

They must think that we are willy fo fo or something.

630 posted on 07/01/2005 12:45:45 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Lizarde

Whoa.........

I hope she's not playing games with them again and this is true!!!!

632 posted on 07/01/2005 12:47:53 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (If you're LURKING and reading you should be DONATING to the FReepathon!! Go Jr ~8~)

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To: Lizarde

NEWS ALERT I think: I heard while doing other things about 15 minutes ago on Fox that the Prosecutor said there WAS PHYSICAL EVIDENCE in the case????????

Was that breaking news or could you have misunderstood. I thought the prosecutor was on vacation.

Senator Wants FBI to Do More in Aruba - Fox News

On Thursday, Aruba Attorney General Caren Janssen (search) said investigators have found no evidence to suggest that Holloway was dead.

633 posted on 07/01/2005 12:54:26 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Lizarde

I heard while doing other things about 15 minutes ago on Fox that the Prosecutor said there WAS PHYSICAL EVIDENCE in the case????????

Maybe that is what her father was referring to a few days aago......we have other evidence.

You get an A+ in multi tasking!

634 posted on 07/01/2005 12:54:53 PM PDT by presently no screen name

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To: Lizarde; Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

From Sm:

Dutch newswire:

Netherlands uses F16's in search for Natalee Holloway ANP THE HAGUE - The Netherlands sends three F16's to Aruba to assist in the search for the missing American girl Natalee Holloway. The planes leave this weekend. From monday they will use special camera's to search the Island and the ocean around it. The F16's can search at night with infrared camera's. Justice minister Donner and Kingdom relations minister Pechtold and defense undersecretary Van der Knaap decided that this friday. The offer is talked over with Aruban justice minister Croes who asked for dutch help earlier this week.

(The Dutch JD have used Royal Netherlands Air Force F16 before in searches, mainly for graves, but not on this scale and not on Aruba, Gerben)

Nederland zoekt met F16's naar Natalee Holloway

DEN HAAG (ANP) - Nederland stuurt drie F16's naar Aruba om te helpen zoeken naar het vermiste Amerikaanse meisje Natalee Holloway. De toestellen vertrekken dit weekeinde nog. Vanaf maandag speuren ze met speciale camera's het eiland en de oceaan eromheen af. De F16's kunnen 's nachts met infrarood zoeken. Dat hebben minister Donner (Justitie), zijn collega Pechthold (Koninkrijksrelaties) en staatssecretaris Van der Knaap (Defensie) vrijdag besloten. Het aanbod is besproken met de Arubaanse minister Croes (Justitie), die eerder deze week om hulp vroeg.

637 posted on 07/01/2005 1:02:11 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: TexKat

If you're referring to Trapenberg, I realized my mistake a while ago, but have been perusing RW and SM to see where I saw it. Somebody mentioned it somewhere....just another rumor, I guess. In fact, in looking for that, I found confusion on this Lorenzo guy's last name. Several last names are quoted now.

I said my brain was fried about an hour ago, and I thought I'd get away from this, only to turn Fox on! The reporter seemed to think they found "evidence" of Natalee. Now I'm back here!

Thanks for the pictures!

638 posted on 07/01/2005 1:03:28 PM PDT by toldyou

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To: WKB

I have an additional interest in the case. Natalee was going to attend the Univ. of Alabama on the same scholarhip that my wife and I had.

639 posted on 07/01/2005 1:08:41 PM PDT by bourbon (Hal Needham is my hero.)

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To: TexKat

Maybe someone is turning the screws on the dutch government. About time.NSNR

640 posted on 07/01/2005 1:16:22 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat

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