Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: allnatalieallthetime; arrestedpaulvds; aruba; compulsive; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; fubaruba; ghb; holloway; joran; kalpooiesgohome; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessive; ocd; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot

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To: Ditter

Could be...but if your daughter took something for cramps would you say the the items found in her room, if she were missing, were her clothes, her passport, and her cramp meds?

I don't want to put more weight on meds than might be appropriate, but Beth mentioned three things. Would she have included birth control pills, or cramp meds, or even eye drops for early onset of glaucoma in that list. As said, I might be dead wrong, but there is a possibility that the reference to meds meant that she wouldnt' leave them if she were running away.

I suspect her meds were important. I just wish I knew what they were.

2,041 posted on 07/04/2005 6:53:46 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: truthluva

That may be, but the poster was responding to posts that suggested that Jug as well as the students on the trip needed to be questioned. That's how it started. If teenage kids are "loud and carefree" then that's in the opinion of the "observer". I would not find it strange at all if teenagers were "loud" compared to me. I'm older and less "carefree".

We remained in our seats unless we were walking to the restroom. We spoke to those seated next to us and didn't shout across aisles. There were reports of the students being loud and unruly at the hotel too. It seems there was more than one 'observer' seeing the same. Although I have to admit that if our flight left and one of the students missed it, because they hadn't shown up for breakfast or anything, I wouldn't be cheerful at all. I would be worried about that student.

Besides, the thing that I never understood about the posters' claim is that this flight was on June 3. I thought the return flight was on May 31st. Either way, it just kept going on and on and ON.

Supposedly there were two flights out, but I thought they were for the same day.

2,042 posted on 07/04/2005 6:58:55 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

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To: Dark Skies

Have you ever had cramps? The meds are important. LOL

2,043 posted on 07/04/2005 7:00:46 PM PDT by Ditter

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To: the Deejay

I think I read that the date rape drugs don't stay in the system for very long, anyway.

2,044 posted on 07/04/2005 7:01:59 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

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To: Dark Skies

Its possible that by meds she meant 'any and all meds' that a person might take with them on a trip. Everything from aspirin, allergy tablets, sinus tablets, digestive tablets for heartburn etc.

2,045 posted on 07/04/2005 7:05:49 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

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To: Rippersnapper

Respectfully don't think so. Beth wouldn't say "my daughter left her bags, her passport and her tums, rolaids and Digell tablets in her room.

Doesn't pass the ole smell test.

By meds, a person implies a "medicine of a certain importance."

2,046 posted on 07/04/2005 7:10:46 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: Ditter

"I defer to the experience of opposing counsel (and gender) in this matter, your Honor."

But I do know pain. I think meds are prescriptions and I wonder if they might have interacted poorly with a date rape drug.

Could all be moot, but I wish those that know the details would release them so the freeper gumshoes can pick over the facts for clues.

2,047 posted on 07/04/2005 7:19:12 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: xsmommy

I remember "Quidam" and yes that was fun.

2,048 posted on 07/04/2005 7:22:17 PM PDT by dc-zoo

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To: gg188

Your right - no Greta.

Thanks.

2,049 posted on 07/04/2005 7:24:34 PM PDT by presently no screen name

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To: Dark Skies

I disagree, I oftem refer to over the counter meds as MEDS.

2,050 posted on 07/04/2005 7:24:45 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

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To: Dark Skies

We have a new thread guys please see post #2038 for the link.

2,051 posted on 07/04/2005 7:25:23 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: dc-zoo

I recall Quidam but didn't get into their posts that much.

2,052 posted on 07/04/2005 7:27:18 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

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To: Rippersnapper

I have been on serious meds for years...I don't think Beth would have said meds if it were OTC.

But that's just me...and I might be wrong. But I might not.

2,053 posted on 07/04/2005 7:28:01 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: TexKat

Cheese and Crackers, TK, I thought I was already on it.

"Wake up DS, there's a new thread, you old goat."

2,054 posted on 07/04/2005 7:30:39 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: WestCoastGal

We're not - it only smells that way with all the residue from the firecrackers. :)

2,055 posted on 07/04/2005 7:36:05 PM PDT by presently no screen name

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To: Dark Skies

Beth mentioned them means they were important

Maybe she mentioned them for those who "implied' she ran off, etc. - it showed she planned on coming back to her room and then catch her plane to go home.

2,056 posted on 07/04/2005 7:40:56 PM PDT by presently no screen name

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To: Dark Skies

I have been on serious meds for years...

Me too. I refer to all medications as MEDS, whether they are prescription or not. I never call them drugs and I don't say, oooops I need to go take my prescription now. I say, oooops, time to take my meds.

2,057 posted on 07/04/2005 7:52:09 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

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To: presently no screen name

I think that is exactly what she meant. But from that, we can impute the importance of the "meds." Beth is saying she would not have run off without them. It matters what they were...the way they interact with other drugs

Depending on what her meds were, an interaction with rohypnol could have been fatal.

2,058 posted on 07/04/2005 7:53:00 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: presently no screen name

Maybe she mentioned them for those who "implied' she ran off, etc. - it showed she planned on coming back to her room and then catch her plane to go home.

Maybe.

I knew this gal that left her meds, and these were prescriptions, in the medicine cabinet when she had a fight with her husband and went home to mother for a week! lol

2,059 posted on 07/04/2005 8:00:31 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

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To: presently no screen name

...it showed she planned on coming back to her room and then catch her plane to go home.

Yup, that is what it points to. Of course, some drugs take a person into another realm (I don't think Jurine went into that realm with Nat because he went to class the next day). And this would have meant that Nat was so altered that she didn't care.

If she were that drunk, she would have asked Jurine to get her to the hotel. Even drunks know they have to sober up...however painful it might be.

The fact that Jurine did not see her back to the hotel meant that he had an ulterior motive with this touriste.

Jurine is either guilty of sexual abuse of a drugged girl or he is guilty of worse.

2,060 posted on 07/04/2005 8:03:46 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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