Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: allnatalieallthetime; arrestedpaulvds; aruba; compulsive; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; fubaruba; ghb; holloway; joran; kalpooiesgohome; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessive; ocd; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot

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To: texasbluebell; TexKat

I work with a number of Europeans and have contacts scholars in Europe. Your assessment of English is spot on, it is the lingua franca of the world and it doesn't matter if we Americans know 1 language or 5, everyone else is learning English.

To show you how prevalent English is, not only are the journal articles in my field in English (which means that if you want to keep up w/the research from around the world, you have to read English), but research units and even academic programs have switched from using their native language and now use English as their common tongue. So, if you are a Dutch student taking a masters degree at a Dutch university, you may well have to do it in English. Especially in the EU, it seems it is just easier for everyone in academe to use English when they get together.

I'm still learning Danish tho; might as well have something to fill my time when I'm not FReeping.

1,401 posted on 07/03/2005 3:06:02 PM PDT by radiohead (Proud member of the 'arrogant supermagt')

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To: elli1

Jug had business in corrupt venezuela. Who knows what he may have stumbled on down there. I think "interrogating" him would only benefit chavez.

1,402 posted on 07/03/2005 3:06:52 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: texasbluebell

Yes, poor Joran..boo Frigin whoo..

All those girls in bikini's but he may be on his way to being another man's (bleep) for the rest of his life.. My heart bleeds.

1,403 posted on 07/03/2005 3:19:13 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

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To: radiohead

everyone else is learning English

I bet this angers the French.

1,404 posted on 07/03/2005 3:22:31 PM PDT by ncpatriot

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To: toldyou

Thanks for sending me back to read what the story was like at the very beginning in that link. Did you notice HOW MANY tourists found it very strange and uncomfortable in Carlos & Charlie's with reference to very heavyhanded pickups by seemingly organized groups of local men? And how they preyed on young, pretty Americans?

Do you think maybe our loose culture and dress, coupled with our naivete, are perhaps not appropriate outside our country (and sometimes in it?)? The world is a different place. Some of those underworld types in other countries probably look at our daughters like pieces of meat, and frankly the way some of them dress helps them visualize it all too easily.

I saw a svelte neighborhood teen on her way to a party last night in a NEW slutty style; have you all seen this one? Her spaghetti strap top was quite long enough, no midriff, BUT her mini skirt started at low plumber cleavage level. Thus through her thin white cotton shirt could be seen two mounds of buttocks squeezing out of the top of her skirt deliberately. Covered, yes, but showing an awful lot of junk overflowing the trunk.

1,405 posted on 07/03/2005 3:24:10 PM PDT by Yaelle

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To: radiohead

bump!!

1,406 posted on 07/03/2005 3:25:02 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Yaelle

" Do you think maybe our loose culture and dress, coupled with our naivete, are perhaps not appropriate outside our country "

American culture isn't as loose as France, Italy or Amsterdam with it's red light district. Joran comes from a country where his peers are a heck of lot looser than their American counter parts by a long shot.

1,407 posted on 07/03/2005 3:28:08 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)

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Did anyone hear the report on CNN about two hours ago that Jug Twitty said if any of the three are let loose tomorrow he is going to tell what he knows and it is horrible?

1,408 posted on 07/03/2005 3:34:58 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (If you're LURKING and reading you should be DONATING to the FReepathon!! Go Jr ~8~)

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To: Lizarde

Is the east side of the island the one with the sharks? Did that note that supposedly was written by Deepak give any clue when he said that Natalee had wanted to go see the sharks?

1,409 posted on 07/03/2005 3:35:57 PM PDT by Yaelle

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To: SunnySide

You have a point there!

1,410 posted on 07/03/2005 3:37:44 PM PDT by Yaelle

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To: Ditter

I have smelled skunks.

Not since moving to Nevada though.

1,411 posted on 07/03/2005 3:46:41 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: ncpatriot

Actually, my son has been to europe a number of times, and he said everywhere he goes there are people that want to practice their English on him. Including the french.

1,412 posted on 07/03/2005 3:47:49 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: WestCoastGal

I heard Jug say the other day, if the 3 are released, he & Beth will go home and then will "tell all".

Promise you, whatever he has to say about Aruba, will not be shock & awe to me.

1,413 posted on 07/03/2005 3:49:33 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: monkeywrench

All the non-English speaking countries I've lived in, they ALL want to learn English.

Because it means a better job position.

That's why I cannot understand why there's so much Spanish pushing here. Even in Mexico, they want to learn English!

1,414 posted on 07/03/2005 3:53:13 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: WestCoastGal; the Deejay

Why doesn't Jug come back to the States and THEN tell all he knows?

1,415 posted on 07/03/2005 4:00:35 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

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To: monkeywrench

In Russia English is the second language.

1,416 posted on 07/03/2005 4:04:37 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)

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To: spectre

Yes, poor Joran..boo Frigin whoo..

All those girls in bikini's but he may be on his way to being another man's (bleep) for the rest of his life.. My heart bleeds.

Dutch law does not punish wrong-doers in the way that they do in the U.S. For an adult (not a minor like Joran) that commits the equivalent of 1st degree murder, the sentence would be less than 20 years, of which, the defendant would serve approx. 14 years. In a case like this, if convicted, the Kalpoe bros. may be looking at 6 - 8 years. Joran, since he's a minor, he may only be looking at serving until he's 21 yrs. old. IF they are convicted and that's a big IF!!!

1,417 posted on 07/03/2005 4:24:23 PM PDT by '61 Libertarian

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To: spectre

Is threatning to 'tell all' while they are still in Aruba a smart thing? We have heard that some really bad stuff is going on there. If it is true, the drugs, money laundering etc. telling all is going to step on some powerful toes. Too late now, Jug already said it.

1,418 posted on 07/03/2005 4:29:40 PM PDT by Ditter

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To: '61 Libertarian; Ditter

Oh darn..I really don't expect Joran to be convicted of anything. It was just wishful thinking ..:(

Ditter, I agree. That was not wise of Jug to say that, but I assume he feels he is protected, and knows what he is doing. I wonder if Geraldo knows what this is all about? Hummm?

1,419 posted on 07/03/2005 4:44:29 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

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To: spectre

That's what he said, when he comes back to the US, he will tell us about the real Aruba.

Can't tell us from there, b/c he, too, could go..... missing.

1,420 posted on 07/03/2005 4:44:33 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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