Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
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To: spectre

I consider your response educational and far from a rant. Trapperbird and crew may be grinning now, but that may be subject to change (I) hope.

Well tomorrow, I predict the three will be retained in jail for 60 days. This being done in hopes to pacify the Holloway's and Americans who do care. After the 60 day grace period, Judge(Inmypocket)will say insufficient evidence and the trio will follow the yellow brick road of Dutch selective justice.(Aruban, Get Out Of Murder Free Cards For The Trio)

Spectre, thank you for the post. NSNR

1,321 posted on 07/03/2005 10:08:33 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat

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To: jacquej

They should have taken the boys to the beach one at a time and asked where they dropped Natalee and Joran off.

1,322 posted on 07/03/2005 10:11:18 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)

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To: TexKat

Please do not tell me they too the 3 to the beach TOGETHER? That sent me sideways. I hope it was one at a time to see if the stories were the same!

1,323 posted on 07/03/2005 10:12:59 AM PDT by turbocat

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To: TexKat

Why, oh why, oh why did they take the three together...instead of each one by himself telling the story of the night?

How stupid can these clowns get?

1,324 posted on 07/03/2005 10:13:23 AM PDT by BamaBlue

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To: GarySpFc; turbocat

Guess we think alike!

1,325 posted on 07/03/2005 10:14:31 AM PDT by BamaBlue

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To: GarySpFc

They should have taken the boys to the beach one at a time and asked where they dropped Natalee and Joran off.

WOW! That's a good one.So good it needs to be posted again!

1,326 posted on 07/03/2005 10:15:45 AM PDT by presently no screen name

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To: presently no screen name; Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; ...

Jossy Mansur reporting on Fox News now. 3 suspects brought in separately to the lighthouse, the marriot, and somewhere else.The 3 showed the LE exactly what they did the night Natalee went missing. Police reporter and photographer went along.

Tomorrow will be a more important hearing. Jossy stated that he was sure at least one will be detained for 60 days and that one will be the main suspect, Joran.

1,327 posted on 07/03/2005 10:20:44 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: BamaBlue; GarySpFc; turbocat

How stupid can these clowns get?

We have to realize that their (Aruban LE) goal is not our goal.

1,328 posted on 07/03/2005 10:24:58 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: BamaBlue; GarySpFc; turbocat

Per Jossy Mansur LE took only one of the guys to the lighthouse.

1,329 posted on 07/03/2005 10:29:46 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: All

From SM:

They took the three to THREE different areas on the island...the marriot...one they took to the lighthouse...and another spot I hadn't heard of...did anyone catch that?

Jossy thinks at least Joran will be held for another 60 days.

1,330 posted on 07/03/2005 10:31:09 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: TexKat; All

Jossy says the boys brought all three in separate cars. One they took to the light house, came back went over to the Western most part of the island, and then brought them over to the beach area closest to the Marriott.

They had a police reporter and a photographer according to Jossy. He also added that he thinks at least one of them (Joran) will be held for the 60 days.

1,331 posted on 07/03/2005 10:34:26 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

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To: TexKat

She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie's, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer.

Thanks. Instead of portraying him as a son of a judge (failed), why not describe him as a local drug dealer.

1,332 posted on 07/03/2005 10:41:30 AM PDT by presently no screen name

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To: spectre; Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

From SM:

atypical from Mountain Brook, AL wrote:

I can't remember half of what I've heard locally about this case. It's all third hand and in my opinion that makes it unreliable. I feel sure the family knows everything and it's up to them to share what they know if/when they think it's appropriate.

The purported cell call. Again, this is third hand so take it as such. The message was garbled, left in early morning hours Monday. I don't know what time. The boy listened to the message sometime before boarding the flight home. He saved the message. The family/authorities know about it. It was garbled but he thought it sounded like Natalee. Msg was something along the lines of "I don't know these people". Again, I can't stress enough that this is third hand info. Take it as such.

1,333 posted on 07/03/2005 10:43:24 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: TexKat

The boy listened to the message sometime before boarding the flight home. He saved the message. The family/authorities know about it. It was garbled but he thought it sounded like Natalee. Msg was something along the lines of "I don't know these people".Again, I can't stress enough that this is third hand info. Take it as such.

On this 3rd hand info - Either her number came up on his cell or it didn't.

1,334 posted on 07/03/2005 10:48:47 AM PDT by presently no screen name

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To: TexKat

1,335 posted on 07/03/2005 10:49:48 AM PDT by maggief

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To: presently no screen name

It could have been a cell phone rental, like the ones Charles Croes deals.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

1,336 posted on 07/03/2005 10:55:14 AM PDT by maggief

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To: BamaBlue

BamaBlue what part of Bama are you located? "We Dare Defend Our Rights." NSNR

1,337 posted on 07/03/2005 10:59:44 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat

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To: TexKat

They took the three to THREE different areas on the island...

obviously to show how serious they are about the investigation, now.

1,338 posted on 07/03/2005 11:02:30 AM PDT by alrea

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To: TexKat; brigette

From SM:

I just rewound the TIVO and listened to Jossy again. LOL, He wasn't any more precise this time around.

Fox - Tell us everything you know, Jossy, about what happened:

J - Well, uh you know uh, police procedure in Aruba, this is normal. This is customary. This morning, the police brought all three persons that were detained in relation to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, they brought them in separate cars. They took a ride with them. One of them they took over to the Lighthouse. Came back. They went over to the western most part of the island Arashi (sp?) and then they brought them over here to the area, the beach area closest to the Marriott. They brought them down, they asked them to show exactly what happened the night or the morning that Natalee disappeared.

1,339 posted on 07/03/2005 11:04:13 AM PDT by maggief

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To: the Deejay

You are probably like me, we have smelled pot, we just didn't know what we were smelling. I still don't know except someone said it smelled like skunk. I live in the middle of Houston and there are a few real skunks around here, I see one killed in the street occasionally. So I am still kinda confused about smelling pot.

1,340 posted on 07/03/2005 11:09:16 AM PDT by Ditter

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