Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: allnatalieallthetime; arrestedpaulvds; aruba; compulsive; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; fubaruba; ghb; holloway; joran; kalpooiesgohome; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessive; ocd; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot

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To: spectre

Spectre, please chekout my latest post.NSNR

1,301 posted on 07/03/2005 7:09:11 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat

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To: Dark Skies

BTTT

1,302 posted on 07/03/2005 7:17:59 AM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: truthluva; All

"This theory has definitely been floated around. If it's true how long do you think her "captors" would let her stay alive with all this publicity? Her face is plastered all over every cable outlet aroung the world."

Not sure if anyone saw this. It was posted on RW and/or SM about a week ago.
http://www.interlinediscounts.com/nataleebrunette.htm

1,303 posted on 07/03/2005 7:36:50 AM PDT by toldyou

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To: No Surrender No Retreat

NSNR, the problem is that it is "just" one missing girl, no matter how passionate WE are to see that justice is done there.

Our gov't isn't going to shut down tourism because of this, nor are they going to issue a tourist "travel advisory" which would be more suitable to punish them for the archaic way they do their investigating, etc.

It's up to each individual American to do the math, and come up with another place to spend their money.

FOX broadcasts from the beautiful festive Holiday Inn environment, which helps Aruba's PR. They should broadcast with a stark desert back drop OR in front of a land fill. It would show the REAL Aruba. But Trap and the rest of them must be grinning ear to ear each time they show those palm trees swaying in the wind. They love the attention. Money can't buy the advertising Aruba is getting from this, even if WE think the place is a living hell.

END OF RANT!

1,304 posted on 07/03/2005 7:48:40 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

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To: spectre; TexKat; All

From the Aruba report last night,
the American guy (didn't catch his name),
said it right up front....
[paraphrasing], "The
3 will be released and NH will
never be found. Everybody goes
home.

Had it not been for FOX, Beth,
Jug, et al, this would have all
been swept under the rug early
on."

I must say, I do agree w/him,
simply b/c that's the direction
this case has been going in for
weeks.

Arubans are not/will not help,
nor will they allow the FBI
to help their LE.

Now, it's just one big mess.

1,305 posted on 07/03/2005 7:52:44 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: spectre

Money can't buy the advertising Aruba is getting from this, even if WE think the place is a living hell.

Too many folks are attracted to the island drama,
like moths to a flame. I believe you're right.
Tourism may take a slight hit, but not for long.

1,306 posted on 07/03/2005 7:54:29 AM PDT by b9

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To: doodlelady; spectre

People are like "rubberneckers" at an accident scene. They will go there b/c they are curiosity seekers & just have to see for themselves.

1,307 posted on 07/03/2005 7:57:22 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: the Deejay

Exactly. They'll still go there, not in spite of this case, but because of it.

1,308 posted on 07/03/2005 7:59:31 AM PDT by b9

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To: doodlelady

Bookmark

1,309 posted on 07/03/2005 8:42:31 AM PDT by Otta B Sleepin

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To: toldyou; Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

I don't know whether or not we missed this posting from one of the mothers of one of the Alabama students.

tripadvisor.com

Posted on: 1:37 pm, May 31, 2005 Report inappropriate post Just wanted to warn everyone:

My best friend and her husband chaperoned a senior trip of 160 kids down to Aruba, and she returned last night. Her husband had to stay b/c they think that one of the girls was kidnapped, and is possibly in Venezuela now. Her parents flew down, and the State Dept., DEA and several other groups are involved now. She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie's, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer. Just wanted to let everyone know to please stay safe. If anyone in Aruba has any info., please let me know. I should know more later today. Just please say a prayer.

1,310 posted on 07/03/2005 9:11:05 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

From SM:

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:00 pm Post subject:

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Beth's nightmare began with a cellphone call around 11 a.m. on May 30. One of the seven adult chaperones on the Aruban trip was calling with news that Natalee was missing, Beth, driving home to Birmingham with two friends aflter a vacation in Hot Srings, Ark., stayed calm but dialed 911 to ask for a police escort to get her home quickly. When she didn't get one, she kept driving fast anyway: A state trooper pulled her over doing 110 mph. "I got out of the car before he could get out of his car," says Beth, who explained the situation and persuaded the trooper to get her the number of the FBI.

Hi been lurking for quite a while. This is part of the People's Magazine article on NH.

1,311 posted on 07/03/2005 9:14:05 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: TexKat

The Aruban police took the 3 boys back to the beach today to "reconstruct" the night Natalee went missing.

Per Fox.

1,312 posted on 07/03/2005 9:33:51 AM PDT by Howlin

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To: Howlin

Just heard that report on Fox too, Howlin. Why now? Shouldn't this have been done long ago?

Much of their legal system is baffling to me, compared to the US system.

1,313 posted on 07/03/2005 9:36:11 AM PDT by jacquej

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To: jacquej

And why not at night?

1,314 posted on 07/03/2005 9:36:36 AM PDT by Howlin

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To: TexKat

Regarding tripadvisor.com.........WOW! Very interesting! I've read about 5 pages so far. I'm so anxious to read more. Especially interesting to see the story unfold from day one and the subsequent comments from a mom who's daughter was there, from a student who was there, and also observations from a mom who was with her daughter on another occasion.

Thanks so much for the info!

The re-runs they keep showing on Fox with BH in the car with Greta sure make my eyes tear.

1,315 posted on 07/03/2005 9:39:33 AM PDT by toldyou

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To: Howlin

And why not at night?

WOW, what a good question..

I guess they want to show the Americans what a beautiful beach they have. More PR...sigh.

1,316 posted on 07/03/2005 9:42:10 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

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To: Howlin

"reconstruct" the night Natalee went missing.

Reconstruct which version? (/sarcasm.)

1,317 posted on 07/03/2005 9:48:57 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: spectre

The country itself, is beautiful.
It's the government that sux.

1,318 posted on 07/03/2005 9:52:56 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: spectre; Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

Carol McKinley of Fox News reporting Sunday at 11:50 a.m.

Police is still investigating the case. The 3 suspects were taken to the beach north of the Marriott Hotel. They wondered around this a.m. and showed the LE where on the beach they supposedly left Natalee.

1,319 posted on 07/03/2005 9:53:05 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: TexKat

The only thing I can think of is that the "investigators" are trying for more slip-ups so that the "boys" can be held over for another 60 days.

1,320 posted on 07/03/2005 9:58:22 AM PDT by jacquej

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