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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4
Link to previous Natalee Holloway Thread ^ | 6/30/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/30/2005 8:31:27 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Posted on 06/23/2005 12:44:51 PM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Ariel/Satellite Map of Aruba
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=12.564583,-70.035954&spn=0.089264,0.123081&z=4&t=k&hl=en

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

Online TV Show Links


Shortcuts...

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty  (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network


Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




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FAMIA KALPOE To NENGA TEXAS EQUUSEARCH I GAVE HACI BUSKEDA ROND I GAVE NAN CAS

1,141 posted on 07/02/2005 10:34:44 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Li-Li
I only get that this person is giving Joran HELL for messing up Aruba's reputation and that Joran knows where Natalee is..

How'd I do?

1,142 posted on 07/02/2005 10:38:12 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: doc
If this case is not resolved Jug and Beth are going to "burn" Aruba with some very damning information.

Your use of the word "burn" flashes me back to Mickey John's interview with GVS. IIRC, he told Greta that when the truth came out, the Aruban authorities were going to burn… burn in hot, molten lava. [Paraphrasing MJ's words.]

1,143 posted on 07/02/2005 10:42:45 AM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: auboy

No problem. I'll keep my eyes open for it.


1,144 posted on 07/02/2005 10:50:00 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (••• ••• •••)
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To: BigSkyFreeper


Oh, OK. You were missed, but it never crossed my mind that a computer genius would have a modem go down...lol.


1,145 posted on 07/02/2005 10:50:33 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: cajungirl
I remember the body it the chimney. I think I read it on FR. I didn't laugh because I have claustrophobia and even a bad person shouldn't have to die like that.
1,146 posted on 07/02/2005 10:51:07 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

I felt very guilty laughing. And I think it was some kind of business, like a warehouse or something. When she told me about it I was shocked as she had never said a cousin was missing. And I have known her 40 years. I think he was sort of a bad sheep.


1,147 posted on 07/02/2005 11:00:29 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Carolinamom; cajungirl; Howlin
LOL! Let's write a book on reverse hospitality. It's bound to make #1 on Amazon. LOL

Here's another tip that apparently works wonders.

Some noted hostess somewhere or other said that for her dinner parties she turns down the thermostat 10 degrees per course. After each course she surreptitiously leaves the room to do so.

She said that by dessert and coffee everyone is so cold that they can't wait to put their coats on and leave.

But I guess that only works in cold weather, so in summer you'd have to turn the a/c higher for each successive course!

1,148 posted on 07/02/2005 11:28:49 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: BunnySlippers

Sorry for snapping at you. I know without links or source references, rumors and false info can muddle the waters. I need to improve my searching skills.


1,149 posted on 07/02/2005 11:38:57 AM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: texasbluebell; cajungirl; Howlin; Nita Nupress
Another good one for "the Book"...we'd better start collecting them.

I put my "guests" to work in the yard this morning. By tonight, they'll be too tired to take over the TV! Any programs re Natalee that I can view?

1,150 posted on 07/02/2005 12:22:32 PM PDT by Carolinamom (NC motto: to be rather than to seem)
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To: cajungirl

"Trap is also a deejay. Those whacky arubans! Deejay and govt spokesman. It is comical."


A few days ago I read comments on SM (posted by Aruban people) that Natalee had been seen having dinner with Trap, "who was a former Deejay." I posted it on FR, only to be embarassed to see later that Trap is a gov't spokesman. I thought I made a boo-boo. Now I'm not so sure and completely comfused!


1,151 posted on 07/02/2005 12:27:27 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: xsmommy
i said listen, my first inclination was to have it from 3-3:45pm and hope that people came late!

ROFL .......... or pray for a sweet opportunistic afternoon thunderstorm.

;-)

1,152 posted on 07/02/2005 12:35:50 PM PDT by beyond the sea (No more legitimate hearing room ever again, Conyers......... to the broom closet ! ;-))
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To: cajungirl

Someone else on these threads said that this might have been one of their kicks: slipping GHB into the drinks of tipsy girls on their last night in Aruba, knowing that the girls were initially with them willingly (went willingly to the beach with them), had their way(s) with them, and the girls would not remember much about the night before and would blame themselves for drinking too much.


1,153 posted on 07/02/2005 12:38:17 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: texasbluebell

Awesome suggestions, texasbluebell...I shall work your ideas into my party planning!


1,154 posted on 07/02/2005 12:52:29 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...
Joe Huston with Equusearch on Fox this afternoon reported that searches are being made where they suspect that cell phone calls were made the night of the 30th of May. Also that the waters were very high near the lighthouse where Equuseach searched today. They will try again tomorrow.

Mr. Huston stated that the Aruban authorities have been helpful in response to the Fox News spokesperson.

1,155 posted on 07/02/2005 12:57:01 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: onyx
but it never crossed my mind that a computer genius would have a modem go down...

There are some things that even a computer genius like myself can't even fix. LOL

I knew my modem went sour on me when the dialtone sounded like it was underwater. I kid you not, that's exactly what it sounded like. LOL

My first reaction was that the modem wasn't sending enough voltage down the line to trigger the tones to properly dial out.

1,156 posted on 07/02/2005 12:58:05 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Whop-bobaloobop a WHOP BAM BOOM!!)
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Able Advocate DAN

ATTENTION ARUBA, PLEASE HELP RECOVER NATALEE HOLLOWAY

1,157 posted on 07/02/2005 1:06:45 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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Placemark


1,158 posted on 07/02/2005 1:13:03 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: TexKat

I've been in politics for many years, and know the ins and outs of what goes on behind the scene. There is not a doubt in my mind the good old boy system is at work in Aruba's justice system. The Aruban government is obviously corrupt to the core.


1,159 posted on 07/02/2005 1:14:23 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: TexKat; All

Found this on SM...part of the "kidnapping" theory:

This from the RBN forum here at Scared Monkeys:

grits wrote:
ok guys....i still think my slant may be on track... $120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen" in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...

Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp... not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...

the scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou - a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama

The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham...just too many coincidences for me....

if Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing??? they've never given his name? cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??

or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them...

i agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty...and this is one weird case

Like I said, follow the money


1,160 posted on 07/02/2005 1:20:46 PM PDT by toldyou
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