Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: allnatalieallthetime; arrestedpaulvds; aruba; compulsive; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; fubaruba; ghb; holloway; joran; kalpooiesgohome; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessive; ocd; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot

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To: the Deejay

After 10 days, they've given up on ever finding the Boy Scout that fell into a river at Yellowstone Park.

Oh, now that's sad. Prayers for his family.

1,101 posted on 07/02/2005 6:26:36 AM PDT by Nita Nupress

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To: TexKat

Who is Trap?

1,102 posted on 07/02/2005 6:27:28 AM PDT by presently no screen name

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To: onyx

Don't know what keeps the guy hanging on...like Arafat and Castro...just keep hanging on and on. Well, Arafat is gone, thankfully so...now if only Castro and Kennedy could find their way to the exit, how much better of the world would be.

1,103 posted on 07/02/2005 6:50:35 AM PDT by nfldgirl ("I love a good rant every now-n-then!")

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To: Jrabbit

That poor mom. Nobody should ever have to endure such a living nightmare.

I live in SE Virginia. About 20 years ago, a local guy and gal, home from college for the summer, were out on a date; the car they were in that night was found on the Colonial Parkway near Williamsburg and the James River in an area known for "parking," yet they were gone. No sign/no trace whatsoever of the two. Don't recall exactly what evidence was found in/near the car, however, their scent was traced from the car to the river bank. They disappeared completely...to this day, without a trace. Talk about heartbreaking/tragic for their parents. Unless it has happened to us, none of us can ever truly understand or relate to what parents must go through in circumstances like this. Think of all the parents of those young women that Ted Bundy murdered. Think of Sharon Rocha, now Beth H-T. I cannot imagine the horror, the excruciating hurt and pain they must endure. My heart aches for her and I fear that her daughter, being dead, is gone for good.

1,104 posted on 07/02/2005 7:13:18 AM PDT by nfldgirl ("I love a good rant every now-n-then!")

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To: elli1

Thanks for looking that up.

1,105 posted on 07/02/2005 7:23:05 AM PDT by Dolphy

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To: TexKat; Lizarde; Bridgette

If he is an undercover dea agent, ... revealing it on these threads and other sites will spread it like wildfire; and likely be a death sentence for him.

Hope he has been withdrawn for the whole scene by his superiors; otherwise he will disappear too.

1,106 posted on 07/02/2005 7:46:51 AM PDT by Countyline

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To: cajungirl; All

This morning the two men using the new Layered Voice Analysis technology told FNC that PVDS had exhibited more stress when questioned about a possible kidnapping than about a possible murder/body scenario. Very interesting.

Coupled with what Jug said last night about telling media what they know, and that it will shock American and the world, makes me wonder if Natalee really might have been kidnapped? And possibly, beautiful young girls before her. I don't think there was any money to be made by killing her. But selling her would be profitable. Food for thought.

Wasn't PVDS well aware that he had been rejected for a full judgeship, when he returned from Holland shortly before Natalee disappeared? Even before, his life style could have been causing a financial strain. IIRC, he's been looking for a job. I can't believe PVDS and son could be winning regularly at the casinos. But they could begin their stalking process in them.

Or, maybe Joran and his mates have been making their own spending money all by themselves, after sampling the wares? Food for thought.

1,107 posted on 07/02/2005 7:49:54 AM PDT by auboy ("woof")

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To: Nita Nupress

The Holloway/Twitty family is very fortunate. Unlike many other people, they seem to have the funds required to keep up their physical presence on the island. Most families would have lost their jobs and/or run out of money before they got a resolution. Couple that with the 24/7 news media's attention. Many families are not so lucky.

Dave Holloway has a State Farm agency. I have a large agency with a similar multiple lines company. The first 10 to 15 years of agency were very rough, and demanded long hours. After being in business for 36 years I have staff which can run the agency, and I simply have to check in now and then. We maintain homes in Kansas City and Volgograd, Russia, and I am able to get away to Russia for extended periods. Dave Holloway is in a similar situation, and I also have little doubt his fellow agents and company are helping.

I have little doubt that Jugs Twitty is also being helped by his company in a similar way.

1,108 posted on 07/02/2005 7:54:03 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)

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To: All; maggiefluffs; TexKat; Nita Nupress

Thanks everyone for the prayers and the condolences.

The biggest shocker is that county LE is saying he may have taken his own life. Many people around here including us do not believe this. Both county and state LE are still investigating his death.

1,109 posted on 07/02/2005 7:56:10 AM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)

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To: auboy

Do you have a link for this?

1,110 posted on 07/02/2005 7:58:22 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (••• ••• •••)

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To: TexKat

How disgusting! What's WRONG with these young girls today?! They appear to have no sense of decency whatsoever! If that were my daughter, she'd have wished I'd never met her daddy by the time I got finished with her!

1,111 posted on 07/02/2005 8:04:38 AM PDT by nfldgirl ("I love a good rant every now-n-then!")

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To: brigette

First of all, condolences on the loss of your friend.

Some good news...............

Shasta and Dylan Groene found alive in Idaho. Per MSNBC.

1,112 posted on 07/02/2005 8:05:26 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks

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To: Rushmore Rocks

WOW! I'm just hearing this. Shasta said her borther was alive and at the house..(Let's hope)...Praise God..

1,113 posted on 07/02/2005 8:07:01 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

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To: Mean Maryjean

Who is Trap?

1,114 posted on 07/02/2005 8:07:57 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)

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To: GarySpFc

Aruban government spokesman Rueben Trappenberg.

1,115 posted on 07/02/2005 8:11:48 AM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: auboy

May be redundant at this point, but here is an excerpt from the State Department web site:

The Netherlands is primarily a destination and transit country for trafficking of women and girls for the purpose of sexual exploitation; trafficking for labor exploitation exists to a lesser extent.

Reportedly, a significant percentage of the 25,000 individuals engaged in prostitution reportedly are trafficking victims.

THE DUTCH CARIBBEAN AUTONOMOUS REGIONS

Anecdotal reporting suggests that the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, autonomous regions within the Kingdom of the Netherlands, are transit and destination regions for trafficking of women and children for sexual exploitation.

In Curacao ( and neighboring Aruba ) observers estimate that 500 foreign women are in prostitution, some of whom may have been trafficked.

Visas for Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles are issued by Dutch Embassies following review by Aruban or Netherlands Antilles’ authorities. Visa controls were reportedly tightened in 2004.

Also in 2004, the Dutch government provided 100,000 Euros to an IOM program focused on awareness raising, information dissemination and regional cooperation

targeting officials from the Dutch Caribbean.

http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2005/46614.htm

1,116 posted on 07/02/2005 8:22:05 AM PDT by Lucy Lake

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To: spectre

These children were found in the same town from which they disappeared over one month ago. Somehow someone kept them hidden for all this time. Maybe we can still have hope about Natalee? Miracles do happen.

1,117 posted on 07/02/2005 8:29:36 AM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

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To: Nita Nupress

True! Most families would not have the choice of staying a week. After their vacation time was used up there would be the need for their services on their jobs; else the company finds out they really can do without them.

Also to have the 'search team' come in to aid the search is a huge benefit offered to them.

1,118 posted on 07/02/2005 8:35:52 AM PDT by Countyline

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To: CitizenM

We're going to hear VERY shortly about what happened. The kids should be able to tell us who took them and who killed their parents.

Yes, there is an OFF change that Natalee did fall asleep on the beach...someone came by and nabbed her..and is being held in a private residence somewhere.

But there's a greater chance of it snowing in hell..

1,119 posted on 07/02/2005 8:47:12 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

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To: presently no screen name

Who is Trap?

Aruban government spokesman Rueben Trappenberg.

1,120 posted on 07/02/2005 8:50:41 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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