Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
You know very well why this case is in the courts.
This happens every single day in this country and the decisions are made by the family members, even when some of them disagree.
Nerves are raw around here .. it's understandable .. and hopefully when they calm down .. they will see things clearer
Heh. :-)
No one here is devaluing human life. The woman is dead and has been for 15 years. Her spirit is gone and her body is a husk that her clueless parents wish to keep alive for their own selfish reasons.
I disagree with the manner of her eminent death, but if anyone in those families had sense they would have sent her Home years ago.
I appreciate your forgiving tone, but they are just flat-out lying about what the 11th did - the claim is that they "granted a hearing, then denied it". To the contrary, the ONLY thing they granted was leeway for the Schindlers to file a request for rehearing even though they missed the deadline for doing so.
What if it's used to pay legal bills? And why is it disgusting and shameful? Because Dan Abrams says so?
deacon, if you don't can't see the devaluation of human life presented here, i can't help you. step back and look at it. i think the majority of freepers DO get it, and they are not the ones calling for armed insurrection and they aren't on this thread, carrying on about how unhinged everyone else is for the most part, either.
Yes, I realize that .. and they are cases where there is no life remaining .. or no hope of being cured of their cancer or other disease
In this case .. there are many conflicts, bad lawyers and differences of opinion in the medical field
And since there are conflicts of what her wishes really are
She has been ordered by the court to die
your post, unfortunately, speaks exactly to my point.
Yes, they trained her to do that but unfortunately she didn't always do it when asked.
But if you float the ballon over her 100 times and ignores it ... but follows it once! The video it totally misleading.
See post 1651. :)
The court is following FL law.
I disagree with the manner of her eminent death, but if anyone in those families had sense they would have sent her Home years ago.
That's right.
Well said.
One curious aspect to the complaints about the Schiavo case is the carping about how improper it is to have the courts making decisions where there is a dispute between family members. Where else would such disputes be resolved? State legislatures? Congress?
I can certainly understand disagreement with the court's ultimate decision (I disagree with court decisions almost daily), but the systemic objections are odd.
Thank you. Maybe one day I can get back on the forum without being called Hitler.
I was called Pol Pot on one thread. For the sake of variety I suppose.
I never said she wasn't brain damaged but I do say she is not PVS. I've seen some ADD kids react like her, too.
ping, BTW.
Did I say they were correct??
No .. I think I basically said nerves around her are raw and many are not thinking clear
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