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MANIFESTO OF THE WPPFF/WILD TURKEYS/COALITION OF THE SANE
Me. | 29MARCH05 | Long Cut

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut

We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:

1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.

2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.

3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.

4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.

5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.

6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.

7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.

8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.

The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.

We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.

We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.

If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.

We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.

Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.

Let the discussion begin!

Signed,

The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: antifreepers; antimilitary; bloodlust; cary; clownposse; du; eugenics; euthanasia; forcedexit; moles; murder; nazi; singer; trolls; wildturkeys; wppff; zot
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To: annyokie

No, Sun's mother had no spokesman or support team.


1,581 posted on 03/30/2005 12:58:21 PM PST by EllaMinnow
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To: Peach
Cheryl Ford has never stated she was licensed in the state of Florida. She IS LICENSED in Washington State and has reciprocity in all states but New York.

She has stated that "people who put words in their mouths that have no idea what they are saying are equivalent to Michael Schiavo and what has caused Terri to lay dying of starvation and dehydration".
1,582 posted on 03/30/2005 12:58:41 PM PST by Scarlet7
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To: EllaMinnow
Her tongue and eyes were bleeding and her skin was flaking off, said Barbara Weller (search), the Schindlers' attorney."

It was wrong of this attorney to say that

It wasn't her father

1,583 posted on 03/30/2005 12:59:38 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Peach

Don't hold your breath for "proof", you have been wonderfully factual.


1,584 posted on 03/30/2005 12:59:39 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: EllaMinnow

I stand corrected. That and the fact that she is a whack-job probably had something to do with it.


1,585 posted on 03/30/2005 1:01:14 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: Mo1
Here's the bleeding eyes thread.
1,586 posted on 03/30/2005 1:02:06 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: EllaMinnow

BTW, this is the woman who said that Terri was trying to dance the other day ... waving her arms.


1,587 posted on 03/30/2005 1:02:16 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: Jrabbit

Of course the details are relevant, since Sun was in a terminal condition.

Terri was not, and it's an ethical consideration in her case. I personally think that MS went with the wrong ethics, and have argued for it, prayed on it, and struggled for it but he is within the letter of the law.

The Schindlers, bless their souls, in their grief and desperation, seem to have pushed the envelope of their cause to the point where I don't know where the truth lies and the demonization begins. I probably would have done the same thing in the same situation, if I were grasping at straws myself.

But why would the facts in the case of Sun be irrelevant?


1,588 posted on 03/30/2005 1:02:21 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: EllaMinnow
Where was Randall terry on March 15th, when Sun's plug was pulled? Where was Jesse?

Exactly!

Sun's mother, should have, gotten;

ATTORNEYS, SPOKESPEOPLE, MSM

and maybe just maybe her 17 pound baby could have been helped and lived a life.

He was more viable than Terri. She needs a new brain.

Sun needed a lung transplant.

1,589 posted on 03/30/2005 1:02:30 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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To: BunnySlippers

Good gawd. Reynold's can't make enough tinfoil for these people.


1,590 posted on 03/30/2005 1:03:13 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: Peach
"I guess you didn't go to the Schindler web site; it was linked to the thread last night and the last few sentences clearly detail that the video is definitely for sale."

I didn't see the link to the thread. But I'm not contending that there is no video for sale or donation. (You may want to go back and re-read my post.) You posted that they were selling pictures of a dying Terri, wasting away in her hospital bed. (You may want to go back and re-read your post, come to think of it.)

Having a video available for a donation (or for free with the promise to share it with others) is vastly different than presenting it as a deathbed photo for sale as you did here:

"HEADS UP EVERYBODY:

Dan Abrams reported on MSNBC that the Schindlers will send you a photograph of their daughter in her hospital bed, wasting away. If you send them $100.

Yes. You heard that right. $100 for a picture of a dying Terri."


If you take a step back, and take a deep breath, I'm sure you will be able see the difference.
1,591 posted on 03/30/2005 1:04:03 PM PST by green pastures
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To: the Deejay

Sun needed a ribcase transplant...his problems were skeletal.


1,592 posted on 03/30/2005 1:04:21 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: BunnySlippers
BTW, this is the woman who said that Terri was trying to dance the other day ... waving her arms.

Gotta tell ya!, she cracked me up!

1,593 posted on 03/30/2005 1:04:30 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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To: mountaineer

That says the attorney made the comment

Not Terri's father


1,594 posted on 03/30/2005 1:04:33 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Petronski
The colon surgery was my mother's 3rd cancer surgery in 35 years. She was willing to have one lung and part of her liver removed if that would've contained the metastasis, but she would have had to go through chemo, and she didn't want to. She wanted what was left of her life to be good, so she traveled and painted and wrote stories for a year after the diagnosis, till she was in too much pain. She looked on it as a bonus year to enjoy life, and she did.
1,595 posted on 03/30/2005 1:05:34 PM PST by EllaMinnow
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To: the Deejay; .38sw

Please. The child's bones were too small for his lungs. They weren't going to grow. A lung transplant would have made no difference.


1,596 posted on 03/30/2005 1:05:36 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: the Deejay

Sun Hudson didn't need a lung transplant, he needed gene therapy. He had a chromosomal abnormality that caused dwarfism - the skeleton wasn't growing properly. It was the rib cage that was restricting growth of the lungs - the skeleton wasn't growing. Not much to be done for that. There's also a problem with this disorder where the skull causes pressure on the brain. Not a good prognosis with this type of genetic disorder.


1,597 posted on 03/30/2005 1:07:10 PM PST by .38sw
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To: Mo1

It wasn't just wrong; it was a lie; it just does NOT happen.


1,598 posted on 03/30/2005 1:07:26 PM PST by Howlin
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To: the Deejay
He was more viable than Terri.

No, he was not; different problems, but he was no viable.

1,599 posted on 03/30/2005 1:08:20 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Mo1

I never claimed anyone made the comment, I was only trying to be helpful in directing you to the thread that discussed it.


1,600 posted on 03/30/2005 1:08:25 PM PST by mountaineer
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