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Evolution ruling gets cheers from scientists (Forced removal of evolution 'warning' on textbooks.)
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Posted on 01/15/2005 2:06:00 PM PST by Happy2BMe

ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Since 2002, Dr. Kenneth Miller has been upset that biology textbooks he has written are slapped with a warning sticker by the time they appear in suburban Atlanta schools. Evolution, the stickers say, is "a theory, not a fact."

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To: Happy2BMe

That flamingo DOES look pretty queer to me.


141 posted on 01/17/2005 5:12:16 AM PST by judywillow
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To: Poohbah
Thermodynamics--which many creationists claim "proves" the "theory" of evolution is impossible--is, in itself, only a "theory."

Possibly, but the specific item which causes problems, is a law. That is the second law of thermo. Essentially it states that heat spontaneously flows from hot to cold and not the other way around. It has never been observed to do the opposite. I know that there are people who argue will over some ill-perceived situation, but the fact remains, the second law of thermo appears to be inviolable.

P.S. I am not saying anything about how the second law applies to evolution. I am merely stating that it is a law and it has never been observed to have been violated.

142 posted on 01/17/2005 9:16:05 AM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Happy2BMe
Evolution is both a fact and a theory.

It is absolutely beyond doubt that species evolve over time, adapting to the changing environment and sometimes even becoming new species. We know this because we can have observed it. The common descent of all living organisms is also beyond doubt, verified by an overwheliming amount of evidence in the fields of genetics, palentology, embryology, and many others. We also know that genetic mutation, recombination of genes, and natural selection are all key to the process.

Religion, or more precisely, misinterpretation of the Bible, is the only grounds upon which anyone can reject these facts. Ergo, the judge is correct in his ruling.

The theory part is the precise mechanism of how this work. We know that species evolve. And we have good idea of how it works. We don't know the details.

Just like gravity. We know masses attract each other. We don't know precisely how or why this happens, though we have a good idea (general relativity).

143 posted on 01/17/2005 2:31:38 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

The Bible supports evolution? News to me.


144 posted on 01/17/2005 2:37:39 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything- If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: curiosity
Ergo, the judge is correct in his ruling.

The judges ruling is a farce that only liberals, marxists and technostatists could love.

A federal judge has absolutely no Constitutional authority to decide what a school district in Georgia does or doesn't do with regard to their Science curriculum and the statement they saw fit to append to the book. None, nada, zippo.

145 posted on 01/17/2005 2:37:57 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Happy2BMe
The Bible supports evolution? News to me.

It neither supports not contradicts it.

146 posted on 01/17/2005 2:38:51 PM PST by curiosity
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To: jwalsh07
A federal judge has absolutely no Constitutional authority to decide what a school district in Georgia does or doesn't do with regard to their Science curriculum and the statement they saw fit to append to the book. None, nada, zippo.

Before the passage of the 14th Amendment, the above statement was true. It is no longer true because the 14th Amendemnt, as anyone familiar with the debates surronding its ratification knows, applies the bill of rights to the states. That means states, in addition to congress, cannot make laws respecting the establishment of religion. Uing state run schools to teach a view contradicted by the empirical data and only supported by a sectarian religious dogma clearly constitutes establishment of religion.

147 posted on 01/17/2005 2:43:58 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Have you read Genesis?


148 posted on 01/17/2005 2:49:35 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything- If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Yes.


149 posted on 01/17/2005 2:49:55 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Happy2BMe

BTW, your asking this question proves my point. Your sole motivation for rejecting the FACT of evolution are your misguided religious beliefs.


150 posted on 01/17/2005 2:53:48 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

All I did was ask you if you have read it.


151 posted on 01/17/2005 3:02:27 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything- If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: curiosity
Before the passage of the 14th Amendment, the above statement was true. It is no longer true because the 14th Amendemnt, as anyone familiar with the debates surronding its ratification knows, applies the bill of rights to the states. That means states, in addition to congress, cannot make laws respecting the establishment of religion. Uing state run schools to teach a view contradicted by the empirical data and only supported by a sectarian religious dogma clearly constitutes establishment of religion.

First of all, the statement inserted by the Cobb County BOE said nothinbg about religion, creation or God.

Second of all, even a statement attributiong God as the Creator is not unConstitutional because no religion is established and our DOI already acknowledges that fact.

And third, this statement "It is no longer true because the 14th Amendemnt, as anyone familiar with the debates surronding its ratification knows, applies the bill of rights to the states." by you is false.

152 posted on 01/17/2005 3:04:54 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Happy2BMe
Yes, I have read it.

Have you read Humanae Generis?

153 posted on 01/17/2005 3:09:29 PM PST by curiosity
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To: jwalsh07
Denial of the fact of evolution is a religious belief. Using state-run schools to claim the truth of a religious belief, especially one that flies in the face of all empirical data, is nothing less than establishment of religion.

Have you read the debates surronding the ratification of the 14th Amendment?

154 posted on 01/17/2005 3:15:28 PM PST by curiosity
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To: 4Liberty

The point is, that scientists are engaging in exactly what they say they are against.


155 posted on 01/17/2005 3:35:45 PM PST by dila813
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To: curiosity

Who wrote it? Is it about the evolution of the homo sapien?


156 posted on 01/17/2005 3:46:32 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything- If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: curiosity
Denial of the fact of evolution is a religious belief. Using state-run schools to claim the truth of a religious belief, especially one that flies in the face of all empirical data, is nothing less than establishment of religion.

:-} You're letting your dogma run over your karma. There is nothing "relgious" about the disclaimer the citizens of Cobb County chose to insert in their books. There is, however, more than a little statism running through your veins. Supporting federal intervention in local school districts in this case is contrary to this nations history and jurisprudence.

Have you read the debates surronding the ratification of the 14th Amendment?

Yes, but evidently you have not. And I can support that by your assertion that the 14A incorporated the BOR. It's laughable on its face. The 2A, 3A and 7A have never been incorporated. Other amendments, such as the 10A can not be incorporated on their face. The grand jury clause of the 5A, likewise.

Like I said, you're statement was false as is your attempt at changing words to mean what you want them to mean, not what they say. You'd make a good judicial activist but not such a good conservative.

157 posted on 01/17/2005 3:59:23 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Gin and Sex
You had to throw math into the equazion. LOL

Ask the math experts to answer this:

Three men go to a motel to get a room for the night. The motel clerk says, he only has one room left for 30.00. Each man pays 10.00 to share the same room. Later, the clerk realizes the room only cost 25.00. So he gives the bellhop 5 dollars and tells him to give it back to the men. The bellhop, knowing he can't evenly distrubute the 5.00 among 3 men, decides to give each one 1.00 back and keep two for himself.

Now if each man got 1.00 back this means they each only paid 9.00 for the room. So if you multiply 3x9 you get 27.00. if you add the 2.00 the clerk has you get a total of 29.00, but the hotel clerk was given 30.00, so where is the other dollar?

158 posted on 01/17/2005 4:37:39 PM PST by Nightshift (Ignorance on your part, doesn't require a reply on my part.)
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To: Nightshift

omg now i know where the money is going


159 posted on 01/17/2005 4:40:08 PM PST by bobdsmith
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To: Happy2BMe
Pope Pius XII wrote it back in the 1950's (1956, I think), and it explains how evolution is perfectly compatible with Christianity.

Nothing in the Bible rules out the possibility that God used evolution to create the human body. Furthermore, there is nothing offensive to Christian doctrine in the notion that the human body is descended from lower beings, as long as the human soul was specifically created.

160 posted on 01/17/2005 5:23:06 PM PST by curiosity
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