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CALVINISM IN AMERICA
Reformed Theology ^ | Loraine Boettner

Posted on 12/16/2004 1:23:28 PM PST by Gamecock

When we come to study the influence of Calvinism as a political force in the history of the United States we come to one of the brightest pages of all Calvinistic history. Calvinism came to America in the Mayflower, and Bancroft, the greatest of American historians, pronounces the Pilgrim Fathers "Calvinists in their faith according to the straightest system."1 John Endicott, the first governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony; John Winthrop, the second governor of that Colony; Thomas Hooker, the founder of Connecticut; John Davenport, the founder of the New Haven Colony; and Roger Williams, the founder of the Rhode Island Colony, were all Calvinists. William Penn was a disciple of the Huguenots. It is estimated that of the 3,000,000 Americans at the time of the American Revolution, 900,000 were of Scotch or Scotch-Irish origin, 600,000 were Puritan English, and 400,000 were German or Dutch Reformed. In addition to this the Episcopalians had a Calvinistic confession in their Thirty-nine Articles; and many French Huguenots also had come to this western world. Thus we see that about two-thirds of the colonial population had been trained in the school of Calvin. Never in the world's history had a nation been founded by such people as these. Furthermore these people came to America not primarily for commercial gain or advantage, but because of deep religious convictions. It seems that the religious persecutions in various European countries had been providentially used to select out the most progressive and enlightened people for the colonization of America. At any rate it is quite generally admitted that the English, Scotch, Germans, and Dutch have been the most masterful people of Europe. Let it be especially remembered that the Puritans, who formed the great bulk of the settlers in New England, brought with them a Calvinistic Protestantism, that they were truly devoted to the doctrines of the great Reformers, that they had an aversion for formalism and oppression whether in the Church or in the State, and that in New England Calvinism remained the ruling theology throughout the entire Colonial period.

With this background we shall not be surprised to find that the Presbyterians took a very prominent part in the American Revolution. Our own historian Bancroft says: "The Revolution of 1776, so far as it was affected by religion, was a Presbyterian measure. It was the natural outgrowth of the principles which the Presbyterianism of the Old World planted in her sons, the English Puritans, the Scotch Covenanters, the French Huguenots, the Dutch Calvinists, and the Presbyterians of Ulster." So intense, universal, and aggressive were the Presbyterians in their zeal for liberty that the war was spoken of in England as "The Presbyterian Rebellion." An ardent colonial supporter of King George III wrote home: "I fix all the blame for these extraordinary proceedings upon the Presbyterians. They have been the chief and principal instruments in all these flaming measures. They always do and ever will act against government from that restless and turbulent anti-monarchial spirit which has always distinguished them everywhere."2 When the news of "these extraordinary proceedings" reached England, Prime Minister Horace Walpole said in Parliament, "Cousin America has run off with a Presbyterian parson" (John Witherspoon, president of Princeton, signer of Declaration of Independence).

History is eloquent in declaring that American democracy was born of Christianity and that that Christianity was Calvinism. The great Revolutionary conflict which resulted in the formation of the American nation, was carried out mainly by Calvinists, many of whom had been trained in the rigidly Presbyterian College at Princeton, and this nation is their gift to all liberty loving people.

J. R. Sizoo tells us: "When Cornwallis was driven back to ultimate retreat and surrender at Yorktown, all of the colonels of the Colonial Army but one were Presbyterian elders. More than one-half of all the soldiers and officers of the American Army during the Revolution were Presbyterians."3

The testimony of Emilio Castelar, the famous Spanish statesman, orator and scholar, is interesting and valuable. Castelar had been professor of Philosophy in the University of Madrid before he entered politics, and he was made president of the republic which was set up by the Liberals in 1873. As a Roman Catholic he hated Calvin and Calvinism. Says he: "It was necessary for the republican movement that there should come a morality more austere than Luther's, the morality of Calvin, and a Church more democratic than the German, the Church of Geneva. The Anglo-Saxon democracy has for its lineage a book of a primitive society — the Bible. It is the product of a severe theology learned by the few Christian fugitives in the gloomy cities of Holland and Switzerland, where the morose shade of Calvin still wanders . . . And it remains serenely in its grandeur, forming the most dignified, most moral and most enlightened portion of the human race."4

Says Motley: "In England the seeds of liberty, wrapped up in Calvinism and hoarded through many trying years, were at last destined to float over land and sea, and to bear the largest harvests of temperate freedom for great commonwealths that were still unborn.5 "The Calvinists founded the commonwealths of England, of Holland, and America." And again, "To Calvinists more than to any other class of men, the political liberties of England, Holland and America are due."6

The testimony of another famous historian, the Frenchman Taine, who himself held no religious faith, is worthy of consideration. Concerning the Calvinists he said: "These men are the true heroes of England. They founded England, in spite of the corruption of the Stuarts, by the exercise of duty, by the practice of justice, by obstinate toil, by vindication of right, by resistance to oppression, by the conquest of liberty, by the repression of vice. They founded Scotland; they founded the United States; at this day they are, by their descendants, founding Australia and colonizing the world."7

In his book, "The Creed of Presbyterians," E. W. Smith asks concerning the American colonists, "Where learned they those immortal principles of the rights of man, of human liberty, equality and self-government, on which they based their Republic, and which form today the distinctive glory of our American civilization ? In the school of Calvin they learned them. There the modern world learned them. So history teaches," (p. 121).

We shall now pass on to consider the influence which the Presbyterian Church as a Church exerted in the formation of the Republic. "The Presbyterian Church," said Dr. W. H. Roberts in an address before the General Assembly, "was for three-quarters of a century the sole representative upon this continent of republican government as now organized in the nation." And then he continues: "From 1706 to the opening of the revolutionary struggle the only body in existence which stood for our present national political organization was the General Synod of the American Presbyterian Church. It alone among ecclesiastical and political colonial organizations exercised authority, derived from the colonists themselves, over bodies of Americans scattered through all the colonies from New England to Georgia. The colonies in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, it is to be remembered, while all dependent upon Great Britain, were independent of each other. Such a body as the Continental Congress did not exist until 1774. The religious condition of the country was similar to the political. The Congregational Churches of New England had no connection with each other, and had no power apart from the civil government. The Episcopal Church was without organization in the colonies, was dependent for support and a ministry on the Established Church of England, and was filled with an intense loyalty to the British monarchy. The Reformed Dutch Church did not become an efficient and independent organization until 1771, and the German Reformed Church did not attain to that condition until 1793. The Baptist Churches were separate organizations, the Methodists were practically unknown, and the Quakers were non-combatants."

Delegates met every year in the General Synod, and as Dr. Roberts tells us, the Church became "a bond of union and correspondence between large elements in the population of the divided colonies." "Is it any wonder," he continues, "that under its fostering influence the sentiments of true liberty, as well as the tenets of a sound gospel, were preached throughout the territory from Long Island to South Carolina, and that above all a feeling of unity between the Colonies began slowly but surely to assert itself? Too much emphasis cannot be laid, in connection with the origin of the nation, upon the influence of that ecclesiastical republic, which from 1706 to 1774 was the only representative on this continent of fully developed federal republican institutions. The United States of America owes much to that oldest of American Republics, the Presbyterian Church."8

It is, of course, not claimed that the Presbyterian Church was the only source from which sprang the principles upon which this republic is founded, but it is claimed that the principles found in the Westminster Standards were the chief basis for the republic, and that "The Presbyterian Church taught, practiced, and maintained in fulness, first in this land that form of government in accordance with which the Republic has been organized." (Roberts).

The opening of the Revolutionary struggle found the Presbyterian ministers and churches lined up solidly on the side of the colonists, and Bancroft accredits them with having made the first bold move toward independence.9 The synod which assembled in Philadelphia in 1775 was the first religious body to declare openly and publicly for a separation from England. It urged the people under its jurisdiction to leave nothing undone that would promote the end in view, and called upon them to pray for the Congress which was then in session.

The Episcopalian Church was then still united with the Church of England, and it opposed the Revolution. A considerable number of individuals within that Church, however, labored earnestly for independence and gave of their wealth and influence to secure it. It is to be remembered also that the Commander-in-Chief of the American armies, "the father of our country," was a member of her household. Washington himself attended, and ordered all of his men to attend the services of his chaplains, who were clergymen from the various churches. He gave forty thousand dollars to establish a Presbyterian College in his native state, which took his name in honor of the gift and became Washington College.

N. S. McFetridge has thrown light upon another major development of the Revolutionary period. For the sake of accuracy and completeness we shall take the privilege of quoting him rather extensively. "Another important factor in the independent movement," says he, "was what is known as the 'Mecklenburg Declaration,' proclaimed by the Scotch-Irish Presbyterians of North Carolina, May 20, 1775, more than a year before the Declaration (of Independence) of Congress. It was the fresh, hearty greeting of the Scotch-Irish to their struggling brethren in the North, and their bold challenge to the power of England. They had been keenly watching the progress of the contest between the colonies and the Crown, and when they heard of the address presented by the Congress to the King, declaring the colonies in actual rebellion, they deemed it time for patriots to speak. Accordingly, they called a representative body together in Charlotte, N. C., which by unanimous resolution declared the people free and independent, and that all laws and commissions from the king were henceforth null and void. In their Declaration were such resolutions as these: 'We do hereby dissolve the political bands which have connected us with the mother-country, and hereby absolve ourselves from all allegiance to the British crown' .... 'We hereby declare ourselves a free and independent people; are, and of right ought to be, a sovereign and self-governing association, under control of no power other than that of our God and the general government of Congress; to the maintenance of which we solemnly pledge to each other our mutual cooperation and our lives, our fortunes and our most sacred honor.' ... That assembly was composed of twenty-seven staunch Calvinists, just one-third of whom were ruling elders in the Presbyterian Church, including the president and secretary; and one was a Presbyterian clergyman. The man who drew up that famous and important document was the secretary, Ephraim Brevard, a ruling elder of the Presbyterian Church and a graduate of Princeton College. Bancroft says of it that it was, 'in effect, a declaration as well as a complete system of government.' (U.S. Hist. VIII, 40). It was sent by special messenger to the Congress in Philadelphia, and was published in the Cape Fear Mercury, and was widely distributed throughout the land. Of course it was speedily transmitted to England, where it became the cause of intense excitement.

"The identity of sentiment and similarity of expression in this Declaration and the great Declaration written by Jefferson could not escape the eye of the historian; hence Tucker, in his Life of Jefferson, says: 'Everyone must be persuaded that one of these papers must have been borrowed from the other.' But it is certain that Brevard could not have 'borrowed' from Jefferson, for he wrote more than a year before Jefferson; hence Jefferson, according to his biographer, must have 'borrowed' from Brevard. But it was a happy plagiarism, for which the world will freely forgive him. In correcting his first draft of the Declaration it can be seen, in at least a few places, that Jefferson has erased the original words and inserted those which are first found in the Mecklenberg Declaration. No one can doubt that Jefferson had Brevard's resolutions before him when he was writing his immortal Declaration."10

This striking similarity between the principles set forth in the Form of Government of the Presbyterian Church and those set forth in the Constitution of the United States has caused much comment. "When the fathers of our Republic sat down to frame a system of representative and popular government," says Dr. E. W. Smith, "their task was not so difficult as some have imagined. They had a model to work by."11

"If the average American citizen were asked, who was the founder of America, the true author of our great Republic, he might be puzzled to answer. We can imagine his amazement at hearing the answer given to this question by the famous German historian, Ranke, one of the profoundest scholars of modern times. Says Ranke, 'John Calvin was the virtual founder of America.'"12

D'Aubigne, whose history of the Reformation is a classic, writes: "Calvin was the founder of the greatest of republics. The Pilgrims who left their country in the reign of James I, and landing on the barren soil of New England, founded populous and mighty colonies, were his sons, his direct and legitimate sons; and that American nation which we have seen growing so rapidly boasts as its father the humble Reformer on the shore of Lake Leman."13

Dr. E. W. Smith says, "These revolutionary principles of republican liberty and self-government, taught and embodied in the system of Calvin, were brought to America, and in this new land where they have borne so mighty a harvest were planted, by whose hands? — the hands of the Calvinists. The vital relation of Calvin and Calvinism to the founding of the free institutions of America, however strange in some ears the statement of Ranke may have sounded, is recognized and affirmed by historians of all lands and creeds."14

All this has been thoroughly understood and candidly acknowledged by such penetrating and philosophic historians as Bancroft, who far though he was from being Calvinistic in his own personal convictions, simply calls Calvin "the father of America," and adds: "He who will not honor the memory and respect the influence of Calvin knows but little of the origin of American liberty."

When we remember that two-thirds of the population at the time of the Revolution had been trained in the school of Calvin, and when we remember how unitedly and enthusiastically the Calvinists labored for the cause of independence, we readily see how true are the above testimonies.

There were practically no Methodists in America at the time of the Revolution; and, in fact, the Methodist Church was not officially organized as such in England until the year 1784, which was three years after the American Revolution closed. John Wesley, great and good man though he was, was a Tory and a believer in political non-resistance. He wrote against the American "rebellion," but accepted the providential result. McFetridge tells us: "The Methodists had hardly a foothold in the colonies when the war began. In 1773 they claimed about one hundred and sixty members. Their ministers were almost all, if not all, from England, and were staunch supporters of the Crown against American Independence. Hence, when the war broke out they were compelled to fly from the country. Their political views were naturally in accord with those of their great leader, John Wesley, who wielded all the power of his eloquence and influence against the independence of the colonies. (Bancroft, Hist. U.S., Vol. VII, p. 261.) He did not foresee that independent America was to be the field on which his noble Church was to reap her largest harvests, and that in that Declaration which he so earnestly opposed lay the security of the liberties of his followers."15

In England and America the great struggles for civil and religious liberty were nursed in Calvinism, inspired by Calvinism, and carried out largely by men who were Calvinists. And because the majority of historians have never made a serious study of Calvinism they have never been able to give us a truthful and complete account of what it has done in these countries. Only the light of historical investigation is needed to show us how our forefathers believed in it and were controlled by it. We live in a day when the services of the Calvinists in the founding of this country have been largely forgotten, and one can hardly treat of this subject without appearing to be a mere eulogizer of Calvinism. We may well do honor to that Creed which has borne such sweet fruits and to which America owes so much.

Footnotes:

1Hist. U. S., I, p. 463. 2Presbyterians and the Revolution, p. 49. 3They Seek a Country, J. G. Slosser, editor, p. 155. 4Harper's Monthly. June and July, 1872. 5The'United Netherlands, III., p. 121. 6The United Netherlands, IV., pp. 548, 547. 7English Literature, II., p. 472. 8Address on, "The Westminster Standards and the Formation of the American Republic. 9Hist. U.S., X., p. 77. 10Calvinism in History, pp. 85-88. 11The Creed of Presbyterians, p. 142. 12Id. p. 119. 13Reformation in the Time of Calvin, I., p. 5. 14The Creed of Presbyterians, p. 132. 15Calvinism in History, p. 74.


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To: Corin Stormhands; Dr. Eckleburg; thePilgrim; telder1
Under Calvinism... ~ Man cannot repent unless he is regenerated. ~ God does not regenerate everyone. Therefore, the non-elect are prevented from repenting. If you must, they are prevented from wanting to repent. But it is never their choice. They are not allowed to choose otherwise. It's that simple. It's that horrifying. And you say that makes God happy.

Again, you are assuming that God MUST give man a "choice", but the "choice" you speak of is a "choice" as MAN defines it. The fact of the matter is, God DOES give man a choice. God says "Be ye Holy, for I am Holy". God says, "Repent, and believe the Gospel". He gives man the requirements. It is not God's fault that man cannot meet the requirements in his own ability. But man's inability does not change the nature of the requirements. The requirements remain the same. It's as if God uses the old phrase, "One of us moved, and it wasn't Me."

You must understand that God deals with all mankind as with Adam. We are in Adam; every one who is born, is born in Adam. God deals with two races of men: Those in Adam, and those in Christ. Those who are in Christ are so, not by their own effort, goodness, ability, or choice, but solely by God's Mercy and Saving Grace. But the default condition of all men is to be in Adam, and suffer the consequences of their sins, as did Adam.

Arminians cannot accept that man is as fallen as he truly is. They may say they agree that man is totally depraved, but they mean the word "totally" in a different way than Calvinists mean. That is the danger in not clearly defining terms, and agreeing on their definitions, to be consistently applied.

You still insist that God, in exercising His Sovereignty, prevents men from repenting, either by actively stopping them, or by not giving them the ability. Both views are wrong. God does not actively stop anyone from coming to Him. That would be contrary to His stated Will. He doesn't have to, because it is man who will not come. God also does not withhold ability in the way you hint that He does if Calvinism is true. Implicit in your statement is the idea that Calvinists believe that God saves people randomly and capriciously, as though it were a game He plays. That is the concept of Abraxas, the god who is both good and evil. THAT's what's horrifying!

We don't say that Calvinism makes God happy, we say that it pleases God to do as He does with humanity. If you have a problem with what constitutes pleasing God from His perspective, I suggest you take it up with Him, because that's Who you have the problem with.

361 posted on 12/19/2004 4:43:45 PM PST by nobdysfool (Faith in Christ is the evidence of God's choosing, not the cause of it.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

My strong Reformed Presbyterian (former) Pastor's son is dying with AIDS.


362 posted on 12/19/2004 4:52:24 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (CHRISTmas: One season. One reason.)
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To: nobdysfool; Dr. Eckleburg; thePilgrim; telder1
Again, you are assuming that God MUST give man a "choice"

No. I'm not.

363 posted on 12/19/2004 4:53:39 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (CHRISTmas: One season. One reason.)
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To: Corin Stormhands; Dr. Eckleburg; telder1; nobdysfool; OrthodoxPresbyterian

Welcome back, my OPC brother.

***Under Calvinism...***

Irrevelant. It matters not what the Calvinists teach. It only mnatters what the Bible teaches. And the Bible is explicit:

A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks. - Luke 6:44-46

You Arminians are not arguing against Calvinism; you are arguing with the Lord Jesus. He said it.

Fallen Adamic man will never repent according to the principles outlined in the Bible and by the Lord Jesus himself. Good men bring forth good fruit and evil men bring forth evil fruit.

You Arminians have your fruit changing before the tree changes. And the Bible declares that to be a false theology. Man does NOT bring forth a GOOD fruit of repentence from a bad vine. Bad vines only bring forth bad fruit, just exactly as the Scriptures declare.

A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. - Matthew 7:17-19
"Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. - Matthew 12:32-34

The Lord Jesus has outlined how man goes from bearing bad fruit to good fruit. You must FIRST make the tree good, then its fruit will be good. You Arminians want all of us to believe that man can bring forth the good fruits of repentence when the tree is bad.

I used to believe this when I was an Arminian. But, then, I started to read the Bible and I figured out what was the correct Biblical theology. When I was an Arminian, like all those around me, I used to tell the Bible what it taught. Now, I let the Bible tell me what my theology needs to be. And, it doesn't matter if I personally think it mean or unfair. That would just be me imposing my emotions on the Scriptures.

Since the Bible explicitly declares that your Arminian order is backwards, I can safely reject it.

***It's that horrifying.***

Well, I'm sure that God is impressed that you think His Word is horrifying.

***And you say that makes God happy.***

Somehow, I have this image of Jesus sitting around a camp fire with little Timmy singing 10 verses of Kum-Ba-Ya and the caption: "I could be out doing something else, but your my pal Timmy, and you just make me happy."

No, the Lord is pleased to not save everyone for the fact that he means for them to be a glorious example in our eyes of his justice.

In the service of the Lord,
Christian.


364 posted on 12/19/2004 5:31:18 PM PST by thePilgrim
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To: P-Marlowe
Here's your card

It doesn't have that "death rays shooting from the eyes" look that actual photographs of Finney often showed. Might I suggest another picture?


365 posted on 12/19/2004 5:37:17 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: telder1

***It is horrifying.***

You know it is funny in a way. I bet most Arminians don't even know that John the Baptist preached the gospel like this:

"[The Lord's] winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

John doesn't say that His winnowing fan will be in his hand. The Lord's winnowing fan was already in his hand when he arrived the first time. The Lord has been busy for 2000 years gathering wheat into his barn and separating us from the chaff which he fully intends to burn.

In the service of the Lord,
Christian.


366 posted on 12/19/2004 5:38:08 PM PST by thePilgrim
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To: Corin Stormhands

They both have my sympathy.

None of us knows the heart of the father, or of the son. But we have the comfort of knowing God welcomes home any man who repents and professes a true faith.

Thus, either, neither, or God willing, both men will meet again in Paradise.


367 posted on 12/19/2004 5:40:44 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Corin Stormhands; Dr. Eckleburg
They are not allowed to choose otherwise... And you say that makes God happy.

I'd like to flap my arms and fly but it doesn't seem to be in my nature. Do you think that makes God happy?

368 posted on 12/19/2004 6:12:14 PM PST by GLENNS
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To: GLENNS
I'd like to flap my arms and fly but it doesn't seem to be in my nature. Do you think that makes God happy?

No. But then I'm not a Calvinist.

369 posted on 12/19/2004 6:29:57 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (CHRISTmas: One season. One reason.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

If it doesn't make God happy, should I try harder?


370 posted on 12/19/2004 6:33:57 PM PST by GLENNS
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To: GLENNS

Do whatever your doctrine tells you to do. I see no point in continuing a conversation with you.


371 posted on 12/19/2004 6:46:28 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (CHRISTmas: One season. One reason.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
I see no point in continuing a conversation with you.

Does that make God happy?

372 posted on 12/19/2004 7:14:05 PM PST by GLENNS
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To: GLENNS

Goodnight Gracie.


373 posted on 12/19/2004 7:54:45 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (CHRISTmas: One season. One reason.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

-Goodnight Pelaguis


374 posted on 12/19/2004 8:35:30 PM PST by GLENNS
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To: rwfromkansas; Corin Stormhands
And frankly, it is more unfair and frankly, evil and out of character of God to let people choose to come to faith (despite being dead in sin and unable to see any good in godly things). This creates two classes of people: the dumb and the smart. The smart come to faith and use their brains, while the dumb do not. They don't have the mental capacity to see goodness in God and come to faith. And why do they not come? God made them inferior in their head to the 'smart' ones who do see goodness in God.

the fallacy of your logic is that your argument assumes the non-Calvinist claims a certain level of intellect is required to be able to come to a saving knowlege of Jesus Christ. That is simply not the case. I know of some very intellectually limited people who understand enough about the Gospel message and have accepted Christ as their Savior. I also know some very intelligent people who have not. As Christ said, even a child can understand that He is the Savior. Obviously there are not two classes of people, at least not as you claim must exist for a non-Calvinist position to be true.

375 posted on 12/19/2004 9:46:10 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
He may only think his troops love him. Reality may be quite different.

Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's behind what they think. I am paid to make sure they have the training and resourses they need to do their job.

My wife's comment is based on her observation as a spouse involved in the unit, not any over-developed sense of self-worth on my part.

376 posted on 12/19/2004 10:22:43 PM PST by Gamecock (Removed in the spirit of mutual love and understanding.)
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To: thePilgrim

Bravo!

May I put that on my homepage, of course I will provide the proper citation.


377 posted on 12/19/2004 10:32:56 PM PST by Gamecock (Removed in the spirit of mutual love and understanding.)
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To: Gamecock

i agree with your philosophy about leadership. It's not about the troops loving you; it's about getting them to follow you. I was an Army officer once, a long time ago.


378 posted on 12/19/2004 10:36:12 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Finney?

Did someone say Finney? ;-)


379 posted on 12/20/2004 12:09:43 AM PST by Gamecock (Removed in the spirit of mutual love and understanding.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The old Gnostic card, eh?


380 posted on 12/20/2004 6:14:44 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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