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Does evolution contradict creationism?
Talk Origins ^ | 1998 | Warren Kurt VonRoeschlaub

Posted on 11/30/2004 3:53:55 PM PST by shubi

There are two parts to creationism. Evolution, specifically common descent, tells us how life came to where it is, but it does not say why. If the question is whether evolution disproves the basic underlying theme of Genesis, that God created the world and the life in it, the answer is no. Evolution cannot say exactly why common descent chose the paths that it did.

If the question is whether evolution contradicts a literal interpretation of the first chapter of Genesis as an exact historical account, then it does. This is the main, and for the most part only, point of conflict between those who believe in evolution and creationists.

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To: conservative_crusader

That is the equation for Newton's second law of motion (as applied to a gravitational force). The LAW of gravity is F=G*(mM/r^2), where F is the force, G is the universal gravitational constant, m and M are the masses of two bodies and r is the separation distance. Neither of these is a THEORY of gravity. To have a theory of gravity you must explain WHY the gravitational force exists and why it has the value it has.


381 posted on 12/08/2004 12:55:54 PM PST by stremba
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To: stremba

Space-time had no beginning. The origin of the energy is material, because the energy precides this creation of the universe myth. This energy indicatest that something precided this event therefore it is not a creation of the universe, as the universe was already here.

Like Columbus discovered America, which was already here and had people living in the woods..


382 posted on 12/08/2004 1:00:17 PM PST by stockpirate (Check out my bio and learn about sKerry and his Socialist friends.)
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To: stremba
You're right. Sorry about that.
383 posted on 12/08/2004 1:01:28 PM PST by conservative_crusader (Annuit Coeptis (He has smiled on our undertaking))
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To: conservative_crusader
And you could have taken 2 minutes to devise a logical argument against *anything* that I've said, but nooooooooooooooooooo... you're much to intellectual for that.

Your arguments tend to be at the level of a third grader, so no adult response is required.

No, just because I am affiliated with creationists, I am automatically illogical.

Not at all. You are simply illogical, creationist or not.

Well golly, I've argued every point you've said, and EVERYTHING YOU HAVE STATED REVOLVES AROUD THE STATEMENT THAT I CANNOT PROVE ANYTHING. Your every argument (if they are fit to be called that,) is a fallacy.

Wrong again. I said you had not proved anything and I said it because you haven't. There is no semantic game here of "it's impossible to prove anything" except in your own mind. I guess you really like that strawman since you bring it up at every opportunity.

When I think of you, I picture an atheist version of the Iraqi information minister saying: "LIES!!! LIES!!! THERE IS NO GOD!!!"

You sure are obsessed with putting me in that atheist/Nazi/Communist/Satanist box - where in this thread did I say no gods exist?

You need to stop reacting like a child and think logically about what you are trying to say. If you don't understand something, ask like an adult - or you will doomed to be mistaken for a fundamentalist-liberal-girlyman for the rest of your life.

384 posted on 12/08/2004 1:05:48 PM PST by balrog666 (The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike.)
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To: stremba
That is the equation for Newton's second law of motion (as applied to a gravitational force). The LAW of gravity is F=G*(mM/r^2), where F is the force, G is the universal gravitational constant, m and M are the masses of two bodies and r is the separation distance. Neither of these is a THEORY of gravity. To have a theory of gravity you must explain WHY the gravitational force exists and why it has the value it has.

Yes, "theory" versus "law" with respect to mathematics was the point.

385 posted on 12/08/2004 1:07:37 PM PST by balrog666 (The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike.)
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To: kipita

What are the Laws of Science?


386 posted on 12/08/2004 1:55:03 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: conservative_crusader

The answer to the question in the title thread is unresoundingly YES, if a literalist silly Bible interpretation is involved.

My view is that Creation comports well with Genesis 1, but you have to interpret the Hebrew correctly.


387 posted on 12/08/2004 1:56:57 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: conservative_crusader

Well, it depends if you insist on a literal view of the Noah tale.


388 posted on 12/08/2004 1:57:43 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: balrog666

Lighten up a little. He is only a kid.


389 posted on 12/08/2004 1:58:26 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: kipita

"Nobody should care what I believe, I've just been starting facts, in a simple way. The scientific Godless world is relatively easy to understand and predict. Evolution without divinity (a driving force), seems more of a belief than established fact."

Anyone see any facts in that statement? LOL


390 posted on 12/08/2004 1:59:43 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: stremba

Jehu:"Allele's are just the latest pseudo buzz words by evolutionists. "
stremba"So all humans have the same blood type? Better study genetics before you make posts like that."


OK, I think we can safely discard anything Jehu has to say about biological science and the TOE. "Pseudo buzz words", the guy is a trip. LMAO


391 posted on 12/08/2004 2:04:45 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: derheimwill

No, synchronic dating confirms the chronology of dino bones in the strata.


392 posted on 12/08/2004 2:06:53 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: balrog666

You might want to discard the 666 after your screen name, to get the wackos to calm down. LOL


393 posted on 12/08/2004 2:08:19 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: balrog666
Come on genius...YOU are the one defending TOE...how does any mechanism proposed by TOE account for symbiotic relationships? I could care less about allele distributions. As I stated in some previous post that bounced off the concrete blocks you Darwinists use for heads.

Allele distributions over time only explains varieties within species, like human blood types. Prove that such a mechanism gives rise to new species...take the pre-requisite "millions of years," you Darwinists use as a proxy for God.
394 posted on 12/08/2004 2:12:31 PM PST by Jehu
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To: balrog666
Clever...a cartoon is your response. Much like the cartoon theory you believe with your childish and easily deceived mind.
395 posted on 12/08/2004 2:15:26 PM PST by Jehu
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To: Jehu

TOE suggests life from the immaterial.

shubi: The immaterial? What in the name of all that's holy does that mean?

Is TOE based strictly upon naturalistic processes or not?

shubi: TOE does not need intervention by anyone or any deity to work. What does naturalistic processes mean?

If it is, describe to me in any way possible how TOE accounts for symbiotic life? I'll even give you the species (Yucca Moth/Yucca Plant of the American southwest)

shubi: I am not to familiar with the Yucca/moth. However, symbiotic relationships are totally explainable by natural selection.

I'll be watching to see if you smuggle in any concept of Teleology.

shubi: OK, but design can be done by the genetic process without help from any other being or force.

You want to propose all species descended (ultimately) from single celled animals (That is part of TOE), then give me some equations that describe this "scientific" process! LMAO

shubi: Equations? Genetics explains how single cell life could eventually change into all the life you see on Earth and the fossil record, with all its transitional forms.


396 posted on 12/08/2004 2:15:42 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: balrog666
" Your arguments tend to be at the level of a third grader, so no adult response is required."

Argumentum Ad Hominem

" Not at all. You are simply illogical, creationist or not."

Prove I am illogical. ARGUE ONE POINT.

"Wrong again. I said you had not proved anything and I said it because you haven't. There is no semantic game here of "it's impossible to prove anything" except in your own mind. I guess you really like that strawman since you bring it up at every opportunity."

Okay I'll play your game. The possibility that I cannot prove anything contradicts itself. If nothing can be proved, then it cannot be proved that nothing can be proved. If thats not semantic nothing is.

"You sure are obsessed with putting me in that atheist/Nazi/Communist/Satanist box - where in this thread did I say no gods exist?"

Just because you didn't say it, does not mean that is not your position, contradicting every point that creationists make, is a pretty good sign you don't believe there is a god. If you believe there is a god, then quit arguing with me.

"You need to stop reacting like a child and think logically about what you are trying to say. If you don't understand something, ask like an adult - or you will doomed to be mistaken for a fundamentalist-liberal-girlyman for the rest of your life."

Even if I am reacting like a child, my arguments are not fallacies, whereas yours are.

Oh and that's great, more Ad Hominem. You're labeling me a liberal now. What makes me a liberal? The fact that I believe a god exists? Think again Mr. Strawman.
397 posted on 12/08/2004 2:15:57 PM PST by conservative_crusader (Annuit Coeptis (He has smiled on our undertaking))
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To: Jehu

And you call yourself a Christian?


398 posted on 12/08/2004 2:16:31 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi
Synchronic dating confirms the chronology...

How far back and how uniformly?

399 posted on 12/08/2004 2:22:06 PM PST by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: shubi
Lighten up a little. He is only a kid.

I finally figured that out.

400 posted on 12/08/2004 2:25:40 PM PST by balrog666 (The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike.)
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