Beware! Watchwords of Modernists

Catholic Insight ^ | Mario Derksen

[Stubborn]

The following list of words and phrases are typically used by modernist theologians and lay people, in reference to Catholic theology/practice/attitude/concepts. Most of them are inherently vague and for that very reason are used by the modernists -- it is not clear just what they mean or when their meaning applies.

[broadsword]

Yep. The most difficult thing for a Catholic these days is to find a Catholic church or a Catholic priest.

[ArrogantBustard]

The most difficult thing for a Catholic these days is to find a Catholic church or a Catholic priest.

"Most" difficult? Maybe I'm just lucky ... I don't seem to have that much trouble. Even in mahoneyville (Los Angeles), last summer, I batted .500! The town I stayed in had three Catholic parishes ... First one I went to was early '90s architecture, didn't look Catholic, priest preached mushy-goo regarding Holy Communion (not sure if he believed in the Real Presence). So the following week I tried parish #2: late '50s architecture, looked Catholic, Mass was offered respectfully and properly, priest preached orthodox exposition of the day's Gospel. In travelling to more than a dozen different States, and many more dioceses, just over the past decade, it's been much more hit than miss with me. I generally just go to the geographically nearest Catholic Church to my hotel.

Sometimes the Traditionalists on this forum remind me of "Hee-Haw":

...
Gloom, despair, and agony on me
If it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me!
...

[broadsword]

Good for you. Try that in Tuscon and you won't be so lucky, but then, Tucson is one of the worst diocese in the nation.

[broadsword]

WOW! Batting .500 is pretty good. You would not have been so lucky in Tucson. But then, if your standards were low enough, you could have batted .1000.

[MarineMomJ]

>>Sometimes the Traditionalists on this forum remind me of "Hee-Haw"<<


And what is that supposed to mean??

[k omalley]

"Even in mahoneyville(Los Angeles), last summer, I batted .500!"

Maybe it was because I was expecting a horror, but I was pleasantly surprised in mahoneyville, too. Not by the Taj Mahoney, now that was dreadful, but by the church one block from my daughter's apartment. The tabernacle was front and center with a large crucifix over the altar and for the most part people were reverent. Didn't hear anything wacky from the priest. The music was not to my taste but wasn't that bad and it seemed like a lively parish. All in all, it was better than anything I ever encountered in the DDR.

[ArrogantBustard]

You never watched the show? They had a recurring skit where some of the regulars would sit on a broken-down porch, wearing ratty clothes, accompanied by the saddes houn'-dog you ever did see, and sing:

"Gloom, despair and agony on me
Deep dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me!"

Then they'd piss and moan about something, and repeat the chorus. It was one of my favourite parts of the show.

That's what you folks remind me of, sometimes.

[bonaventura]

I have found that very thing several times in the Dreadful Diocese of Richmond.

My "penance", given to me by a priest wearing a flannel shirt and a smile that was a strange mix between the homos on Barney and a labotomy patient, was to "think about the sick of the parish next time you receive communion." Rough.

I have also gotten the "do you feel better?" after having confessed my sins. That was a different diocese, different priest, same bad seminary training.

[bonaventura]

Say what you will about batting .500 with regard to good Churches/Priests, but the very fact that you are willing to go to the Church closest to the hotel says you are playing with much lower standards than the traditionalists you are apt to poke fun at.

My last several experiences with the Novus Ordo nearly gave me ulcers [not an exaggeration]. The aging hipster priests (or Bishop in one case), the scantily clad ladies in the pews [the clothes worn by one busty lass in particular would have been too small for a 6 year old], the people sitting around me laughing and joking [especially when I actually knelt down after communion, then the jokes were directed my way], the endless procession of people in and out of the sanctuary for their various "ministries", the small army of extraordinary ministers [many of whom I know personally to stand in direct contradiction to the teaches of the Catholic Church], the guitar bands in front of the horribly designed "worship spaces", the ad libbing by the "presider", being told that a "hug or kiss would be more appropriate" during the horrendous "handshake of peace mini-marathon" while God Himself sits on the altar, having people touch me anyway when I decide to kneel down and pray instead of participating in that madness, and the list could go on (especially during the funeral that I attended). I honestly at this point do not even know if I will attend even weddings and funerals in the novus ordo any more. It disturbs me greatly.

[pascendi]

I think it's taken from the LayCatholic Magisterium's 4th Council of Interpretations: On The Spirit of the Second Vatican, Section on Further Interpretations of Initial Interpretations of Re-interpreted Dogma-like Pastoral Statements, Chapter 4: On Gloom and Doom, the attached anathema:

"Whosoever saith that the post conciliar debacle, after having reach a certain fevered pitch, beith any formal cause of outright griping, or causeth one to be in the condition aptly described as gloom, or in the way of expressing agony or the desire thereof, or the passion known as Deep Dark Depression, or true and blatant misery to excess, or who dares, God forbid, to equate the disposition of bad luck with no luck at all, such that they be so named as if to be one and the same in both essence and in accident... let him be anathema."

"But if any one shall presume to gripe, moan, or obstinately to mope, or even in public disputation to defend the gawdawful belly-aching concerning that which is manifestly contrary to the Faith of the Ages, he shall be thereupon be considered sort of excommunicated."

[sinkspur]

"Social Justice" is a broad term, as has been said often in this thread.

The fact that it has misappropriated by one group or another is no reason to condemn the term, in general.

The object of the sedevacantist writer who penned this article is to ridicule certain terms that are used more often in the last 30 years. Most all of the ridicule is silly, such as poking at the term "process", which is a perfectly acceptable term, and is used extensively in business. I don't hear it used that much in Church circles.

Like all trad threads, the purpose of this one is ridicule.

We see the Pope ridiculed, Vatican II ridiculed, Cardinal Ratzinger ridiculed...nobody alive who says the Mass of Paul VI or works in the Church is exempt from the petty, school-girl tee-heeing of the trads.

The more you defend it, the more of it you will get.

[AAABEST]

The more you defend it, the more of it you will get.

Get what? Is that some sort of threat?

You can cry us a modernist river. One thing for is for sure; YOU have done more for the traditionalist presence in FR than any other poster I can think of.

Please do keep threatening, stalking, inflaming and showing everyone who browses these threads exactly the "help" that the modern church is employing these days.

You've been very useful... keep up the good work.

[sinkspur]

I rarely post on trad threads anymore, or at least post less than I used to.

I don't "threaten," or "stalk,", or "inflame."

Those accusations are actually funny. You'll find more of that coming from the trad guns of late than you'll see from me.

But, BEST, you should tend to your AngelQueen site. I went there the other day, and you are well on your way to having a nice forum for traditionalists.

And I noticed none of the posters there were tearing down the Vatican Council or the Novus Ordo.

[sinkspur]

Oops. I was wrong.

[sinkspur]

Lookie here!

Question for the Angelqueen group:

I posted this same article on 8/15/04 at FR. In response to it, one person wrote: "A man of Faith must stand for his Faith above all other things. Nothing can wash away the taint on a man of the cloth whose first concern is his own hide." I responded: "True, a man of Faith must stand for his Faith above all other things.

But given the witness and fruit of "father" Greeley, I think most of us could agree that his particular faith is not the same as ours. Would a man of the true Faith, and a priest at that, write trashy novels and be the darling of the CINO pop-faith set? (Rhetorical question)

And right you are, nothing can wash away the taint on a man of the cloth whose first concern is his own hide. Greeley is more concerned with the topic for his next trashy novel."

Several comments later "the Sink" responded to me as follows: "Did you join the Catholic Church just to beat up on it?

For a new convert, you have very little positive to say about the Church.

Why on earth did you join an institution that you seem to despise?"

Oh. So....do I not say anything at all about anything that is wrong? Do I simply check with "the Sink" to ensure that I pass muster as a "proper Catholic?" Must I have a second RCIA to ensure that I'm "truly Catholic" according to "the Sink?"

BTW, except for "the Sink" - nobody has had problems with my views at FR's Catholic forum. And I've had plenty of positive things to say when I see them.

I guess I'm the latest one in his sights to be picked on, harnessed, and baited until I either 10000% agree with him, say nothing without checking with him, and so on.

This man is a deacon? What the heck is his problem? Maybe he'd only be satisfied if I simply attacked every traditionalist at FR, there for "proving" my "Catholicism" to him.

Sheesh!

Any comments, advice or whatever would be appreciated. I know there are those here who've had disagreements with him.

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I'm sure the Angel Queen is very proud.

[AAABEST]

I don't "threaten," or "stalk,", or "inflame."

You have threatened me very personally and directly, as you have many others, and you have single handedly turned many threads here into mudpits. I don't know what I find scarier, that you actually are a ordained deacon or that you're not.

One reason why I'll NEVER again as long as I live participate in any New Order activities is because of the spiritually bankrupt clergy.

To be honest, I have no idea what I'm supposed to glean from your comments regarding angelqueen.

[sinkspur]

To be honest, I have no idea what I'm supposed to glean from your comments regarding angelqueen.

Is your forum going to tolerate personal attacks against people who are not there to defend themselves?

[sinkspur]

You have threatened me very personally and directly

Nonsense.

[GirlShortstop]

Question for the Angelqueen group:
I posted this same article on 8/15/04 at FR....

Several comments later "the Sink" responded to me as follows...
I know there are those here who've had disagreements with him.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.  Thanks sinkspur.

[sinkspur]

To be honest, I have no idea what I'm supposed to glean from your comments regarding angelqueen.

Do you want your forum to turn into LibertyPost.org, on which half the posts are shots at posters on FR?