Posted on 10/28/2003 10:27:31 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
In some of my posts (maybe in many of my posts) here in recent days I have been rude to various other posters; most often though just when responding to posts that were insulting and rude to me. However, in reviewing various threads last night I realized that I might have at times been rude to someone who had not initiated that rudeness with me.
To those individuals I hereby apologize.
I do not wish to diminish my apology, but I would like to explain my actions. There are a very large number of posters here who (IMHO) are operating from an emotional basis, rather than a factual and logical basic, and who are very rude with anyone who disagrees with there positions.
When a relatively few objective / logical posters are positioned (by virtue of common opinions) among such a 'crowd,' it's often difficult to distinguish them. This is especially true when, in a short period of time, one has just dealt with 8-10 rude, illogical, emotional posters; and one then encounters another poster presenting the same opinions and asking the same questions, albeit, sans rudeness.
In any case, that is my excuse. But my apology (to those certain objective, logical posters to whom I've been rude) is sincere, and I'll try to do better in the future.
I would give individual apologies privately, but with the unusually large volume of posters in these threads, I'm afraid I'd overlook a few who deserve my apology. (Also, some of you I'm still unsure about.) As appropriate with some of you here, I hope you will be able to sense this though from my future exchanges with you.
Finally a warning to others: For so long as you continue to be rude to me, I will likely respond in kind. And, if you continue repeated the same illogical questions over and over, I will likely become increasingly 'testy' in my responses to you.
You start these threads, then run away whenever anyone shows you to be wrong. Then you start another thread and do the same. You want to have Jim overlook that and my excahnges with you... go ahead and cry abuse. After what you have done here these last few days, and the names you have called people, you should be ashamed of yourself, not crying for yet another way out of the hole you find yourself in. You don't want me to keep questioning you? Then why don't you stop making outrageous statements about my motivations, my ability to collect data and my personal knowledge about things that you show no understanding of.
You want to disagree with me about my findings, fine that is your right, but the "doe in the headlight" number, after you have degraded my posts and what I believe in , and after you have mocked the good people here on FR, is way out of line.
You want a chance to turn over a new leaf and start again.. fine by me, but you will first need some small amount of sincerity and an ability to tell the truth. Why not start here and now.
Take care kitten.
Or, keep digging, if you prefer.
After some review and discussion with others, and about to hit the burnout stage anyway, I hereafter plan to avoid discussions with you and your co-horts on the "Terri' subject. And, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't 'stalk' me to other threads where I may be posting, IF you paln to continue to insult me.
In hindsite, my efforts in those threads have essentially been a wast of time anyway.
Good luck with your cause - I hope it turns out in the best why possible for those involved personally.
Why do you keep posting new threads ,on every thought that comes into your mind ,if you don't want people to discuss your thoughts. You put them out here for everyone to see. I am merely exercising my rights. Stalking is something else. But again you are a liar. I am not now, nor have I ever stalked you.
Your time has been wasted because you are in such a hurry to assume no one knows anything about this case that you don't know. Just like your Anti- Terri cohorts. I hope they do not win.
First, I've post only two 'vanity' threads in the past week or so, not one every hour. Please get your facts straight.
The first one was to provide a single place to respond to the same question that you and your co-horts kept asking me over and over again in every thread in which I posted. IMHO, a reasonable time-saving (for everyone) approach to answering YOUR GROUP's repeated question. Not actually a 'vanity' thread, just a means of acomplishing the objective stated.
The second was the 'apology' tread. Almost everyone else here appeared to accept the apology in the spiirit that it was offered. You, however, came to it apparewntly solely for the purpost of hurling insults at me (I'd call that stalking - maybe not).
I asked you to cease such inappropriate posts in that thread, and yet you repeated the same a little later. Largely because of the abuse-only nature of your posts there, I consider it stalking.
Why do you keep posting new threads ,on every thought that comes into your mind
You again need to get your facts straight. I did post the two 'vanities' discussed above - to answer your groups common repeated question (not a thought that came into my head, but rather to answere a question that you and others ask). It may be fair tocall the apology thread a thought that came into my head - but may not fair.
Any other threads that I've posted this week have been current or recent article from newspapers or, in one case, from a medical journal's web site. None of these were 'thoughts that came into my head'.
Now, I am respectfully asking your to cease posting to me, or about me, on any thread on any subject. I realize that you 'have the right' to post to/about me, but (especially if you continue to post predominantly insults to me) I'll still consider it abuse and stalking - actually stalking for the purpose of abuse.
It would also be nice if you answered those outstanding questions (3 days and counting) so that those you've apologized to (as well as your new friends here) can see your answers. I realize they are not softball questions. But someone's life is at stake. Your speaking for the death-for-Terri crowd has demonstrated their position well, and has helped us a great deal to anticipate their next moves.
That you now want to plead the fifth amendment is understandable too. You really can't know whether or not Michael Schiavo is guilty of the various things the mounting evidence suggests.
Your continued evasion to answering those outstanding questions suggests they are unanswerable. So, thanks for that insight too. You have done so very well that I think we all owe you a debt of gratitude for your performance.
And thank you for your apology. If I've seemed unduly harsh in the past, it was primarily because I had to play my part every bit as much as you played yours. I was offended (as were many) by your innuendoes and direct slurs (like that quoted above). As to your evasions of difficult questions, you answered somewhat after not too much pressure, but didn't answer follow up questions nor the remaining outstanding questions.
You took on a very unpopular advocacy. I tried to get others to recognize (you know this to be factual, starting with http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007877/posts?page=200 and at 206) that someone had to do it or there would have been no discussion, no real learning of the thinking and tactics of the side you represented.
Honestly, I think you did a pretty good job under the pressure and under the circumstances. I pray that you are as good a person as was your performance of (IMHO) the dark side of this matter.
So, please fellow FReepers, accept Normally a Lurker's apology -- he really hasn't been as bad as some have been and will continue to be -- and forgive him for arguing in the manner of the side we disagree with and even immensely dislike with prejudice.
Avoiding Sulla
You should have demanded that everyone accept your appology nicley or not post. I had a stake in this thread because you ahve called me names two days now. I called you NONE before this AM, and this was moved to chat.... I felt I could speak a bit more freely today. I guess you proven to the moderators otherwise. So be it. It is Jim Robs site.
Would you like to go back to all of the threads where you have called me names and make your apologies there or should I point them all out to Jim Rob??
You can't enrage people with names while you mock them ,and then play vicitm. For heavens sake. With every new post you are accusing me of wilder things. If you want this to end then instead of tattling and calling abuse, why don't you just stop accusing me of things, asking me questions and making statements about me.
BTW, I consider what you have done for days abuse, and so do many others here.. we just don't have to act like children and call for the moderator to save us from an argument like you have done. That is sad...esp. when you are the one who started it all.
Thought you might like this. More sworn testimony that posters like LEGERDOMAIN, NAL, and some others will either refuse to read or acknowledge.
They always have an excuse for why you are wrong and they are right. I never heard one of them admit they were wrong when it was shown to them.
A link to one of the Terri ThreadsHere are some outtakes that give me reason to believe Michael is what we originally believed, an attempted murderer who wants to finish the job.
Schindler lived in the same St. Petersburg apartment complex as his sister and brother-in-law in 1990. He says Michael Schiavo knew CPR but did not perform it the night Terri collapsed and was deprived of oxygen for 10 minutes. Schindler said his family and their doctors suspect Terri Schiavo was beaten and suffered brain damage.
Caplan pointed out that courts have consistently ruled in favor of Michael Schiavo even though his wife's parents and siblings have alleged he abused her.
"Look at the evidence," he said. "They keep coming back and saying, no, he's not in it for life insurance; he's not in it because he doesn't care for her.
BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says:
1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make this statement of my own personal knowledge.
7. Terri's medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented by Michael. When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as "mommy," and "help me." "Help me" was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times.
Terri would try to say the word "pain" when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like "pay." She didn't say the "n" sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying "pay" and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or moving her legs around.
She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper and scooted in bed on her bottom.
9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused -4- on Terri's death. Michael would say "When is she going to die?," "Has she died yet?" and "When is that bitch gonna die?" These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include "Can't anything be done to accelerate her death - won't she ever die?" When she wouldn't die, Michael would be furious.
Michael was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as "Make sure the parents aren't contacted." I recorded Michael's statements word for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift.
10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, or pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would say something like, -5- "Hallelujah! You've made my day!" He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out "I'm going to be rich!" and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things.
11. When Michael visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would be trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction, so I'd check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low it was below the range where it would register an actual number reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This happened about five times on my shift, as I recall. Normally Terri's blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet through tube feeding. It is medically possible that Michael injected Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting, but I don't have -6- any way of knowing for sure.
(Why would Michael, who was having an affair and got a woman pregnant WHILE married to TERRI before her accident,and who allegedly said and did these things, which the parents back up, and so do some other witnesses, WANT TO BE A NURSE? Well, that's where you find out how to kill someone in a hospital, without getting caught or them detecting how you did it!)
Both kids are doing great, a cutie and a beauty, sharp as tacks, and keeping me on my toes.
I hope you'll stay. We've got lots of fights on the horizon!
The term "putting it out of its misery" when referring to an animal is generally taken sadly, but positively - as the proper thing to do. It seems that many here take great delight in trying to sustain Terri Schiavo's misery.
My reply to that post:
How do you know she's in misery? For that matter who isn't? She is said to be a Catholic. If she has awareness she can spend her time in prayer. If she were a Buddhist she could still do practice. She seems to enjoy visits from her mother.
Animals can't pray or ever have one thought of enlightenment or salvation even when they are healthy. When they are completely immobilized from injury or sickness they have nothing left but fear. That is not true of the human mind.
Your reply to that:
None of your responses to my comment have convinced me that Terri Schiavo is not in misery, and has she apparently been so for many, many years. And, none of you have convinced me that you do not delight in trying to sustain her misery.
Further, as is typical of many who comment here on this matter, you have mostly decided to attribute statements and thoughts to me which I have not made nor had. To say nothing of your propensity to label and name call without basis.
I see you all as the opposite of the 'kind souls' that you apparently think that you are.
My second response to you:
Well isn't that special? You have stated again that you know she is in misery. I ask you again 'how do you know'? As for name calling show me where I called you a name. Here's something more for you to think about; I don't have any need to convince you of what my motives are. They are clear from my posts as are yours.
Your next post to me:
TE: You have stated again that you know she is in misery
I didn't state that I "knew" anything of the sort. I said she was "apparently" in misery. It is you and most of the others comment here that assert that she is not in a non-feeling state. You can't have it both ways. And you shouldn't attribute your assumptions to me.
To paraphrase what you said yourself on this thread 'if I am insulted I will give it right back.' No one gives it back like I do. ;) But I think the above shows that I did exercise restraint. If I did indeed insult you after those exchanges I think we can all see why.
'Nuff said?
And you wouldn't find any posts of mine asking you questions like that.
Shall I post more of our exchanges to illustrate who insulted who? They will also reflect who accused who of doing the insulting.
Would that the relative newbies here these days emulated the old crowd.
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