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  • The Blizzard That Wasn’t

    01/28/2015 3:04:47 AM PST · 44 of 44
    daniel1212 to Mrs. B.S. Roberts

    Here are the latest snowfall totals from the National Weather Service in Boston and Rob Macedo, the SKYWARN Coordinator for the National Weather Service in Taunton as of 11:59 p.m.

    Auburn 36.0″
    Lunenburg 36.0″
    Hudson 36.0″
    Westford 36.0″
    Worcester 34.5″
    Clinton 34.1″
    Acton 34.0″
    Littleton 34.0″
    Chelmsford 33.8″
    Framingham 33.5″
    West Boylston 33.5″
    Dracut 33.0″
    Tyngsboro 32.5″
    Holden 32.0″
    Dunstable 32.0″
    Methuen 31.5″
    Lowell 31.0″
    Shrewsbury 30.9″
    Milford 30.7″
    Whitinsville 30.0″
    Fitchburg 30.0″
    Milton 29.7″
    South Boston 29.0″
    North Grafton 29.0″
    North Reading 29.0″
    Wakefield 29.0″
    Winchester 29.0″
    Leominster 29.0″
    Sharon 29.0″
    Groton 29.0″
    West Harwich 28.5″
    Boylston 28.0″
    Kingston 28.0″
    Ipswich 28.0″
    Swampscott 27.1″
    Peabody 27.0″
    Hyannis 27.0″
    Pepperell 26.5″
    Georgetown 26.5″
    Braintree 26.0″
    East Freetown 26.0″
    Bolton 26.0″
    Tewksbury 25.6″
    Bedford 25.0″
    Nahant 25.0″
    Boston 24.4″

  • Is evangelism going out of style?

    01/27/2015 5:24:06 PM PST · 8 of 17
    daniel1212 to Star Traveler
    “Friendship Evangelism” is where it’s at and is the most effective. It always has been. Another related one is Evangelism by Association ... in other words, because of some prior connection.

    That should be a given, but it is far from effective at preaching the gospel to every creature, as very very few in most parts of the world have a Christian friend who will explain that to them.

    But just two persons at a major event can hold forth word of life to multitudes passing by, offering them something recognizable about eternity and their soul, and the opportunity to converse about it.

  • Is evangelism going out of style?

    01/27/2015 5:18:16 PM PST · 7 of 17
    daniel1212 to Boogieman; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
    Your local evangelist who was handing out tracts on the street, or going door to door, might have reached a few hundred people on a good day, with considerable time, effort and personal expense. Now, he can put his message out on the internet and reach thousands, perhaps millions, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and with less effort and expense as well. So, I think the only reason for keeping the old methods is that you can’t reach everyone with the new methods yet, and perhaps you might get more reliable results from the older methods. It is more than that, as souls can easily fail to see gospel messages on the Internet, which usually requires that one search for such, while open-air evangelism is confrontational in style, if not necessarily in spirit, and can hold forth the word of life to the vast multitudes that may never search for Christian material.

    It also offers a personal interaction in the flesh which can be easier and superior communication in terms of expression and building trust.

    As every souls that passes by us is either on the broad way to destruction or the narrow way that leads to life, i think we all should have and offer tracts to them. See many here , praise God.

  • Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore says he will continue to recognize ban on same-sex marriage

    01/27/2015 5:03:52 PM PST · 8 of 37
    daniel1212 to Extremely Extreme Extremist

    May his tribe increase!

  • The Blizzard That Wasn’t

    01/27/2015 5:02:16 PM PST · 42 of 44
    daniel1212 to Sean_Anthony
  • Pope Trannie Is Satan's Tool

    01/27/2015 4:10:47 PM PST · 27 of 62
    daniel1212 to Responsibility2nd; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
    Pope Trannie? Wow, that’s inflammatory. Wonder if this thread stays or is “No Thanks”d.

    Imagine if a Prot said that. Which is the least of the invectives. But many RCs in this pope-centric church whom they us to look to defend him as being misunderstood.

    the Bishop of Rome TMAHICH, The Most Astonishing Hypocrite In Church History

    This Pope is an old, lewd man either attracted to every form of sexual lewdness, or a pervert himself... of whom the kindest thing that can be said is that he might, actually, be on drugs..Francis feels he has truly not done all he could to encourage every sort of sexual perversion....

    This Pope is an old, lewd man either attracted to every form of sexual lewdness, or a pervert himself. ...This Pope is an old, lewd man either attracted to every form of sexual lewdness, or a pervert himself. He is set to sabotage Catholicism, a religion he obviously loathes. If he believes in any god (which I doubt), it is some home-made Peronist deity obsessed with the “environment” and with a penchant for sexual perversion (basically: himself). He will do whatever he can to insult Catholics as he drives them away from Catholicism and into his own religion of social envy, environ-mentalist terror, economic chaos and sexual depravity. He is not recognisable as Catholic in any way, shape or form, as it becomes absolutely evident every time he does not read from a script but says what he really thinks and does what he likes. His lack of elementary prudence and decency justifies the suspicion of drug use. He makes the work of Satan day in and day out. He might be, let us say it again, a sexual pervert himself....He is a tool of Satan, a heathen, a saboteur, a danger for souls, the scourge of the Church.

  • Why The Prosperity Gospel Is The Worst Pyramid Scheme Ever

    01/27/2015 3:45:28 PM PST · 98 of 100
    daniel1212 to SeekAndFind
    90% of evangelical leaders worldwide reject the so-called prosperity gospel, the notion that God will grant wealth and good health to those who have enough faith. 52% (75% in the “Global South”) believe drinking alcohol is incompatible with being a good evangelical, 97% likewise reject astrology, 96% reject reincarnation, 95% reject denying Jesus is the only way to salvation, 92% reject yoga. ^ More
  • The Blizzard That Wasn’t

    01/27/2015 3:11:38 PM PST · 40 of 44
    daniel1212 to gdani; Maine Mariner; ScottfromNJ; vigilante2; MrNeutron1962; ClearCase_guy
    The blizzard that wasn’t? Don’t tell that to people in Boston, etc.

    For NYC it seems like that, but up to 35'' fell within the 128 belt, and Several More Inches Of Snow Still To Fall

    Related Tags:

    Blizzard of 2015, Boston, CBS Boston, Skywarn, Snow, Snow Amounts, Snow Totals, Taunton, WBZ, Winter Weather

    BOSTON (CBS) – The Blizzard of 2015 has dumped an incredible amount of snow over southern New England.

    Here are the latest snowfall totals from the National Weather Service in Boston and Rob Macedo, the SKYWARN Coordinator for the National Weather Service in Taunton as of 3:00 p.m.

    Auburn 33.0″
    Westford 30.0″
    Worcester 30.0″
    Lunenburg 30.0″
    Framingham 30.0″
    Shrewsbury 29.7″
    Lowell 28.0″
    Littleton 28.0″
    Chelmsford 27.5″
    Harvard 27.0″
    Oak Bluffs 27.0″
    Northboro 27.0″
    Groton 27.0″
    Pepperell 27.0″
    Ayer 27.0″
    Tyngsboro 27.0″
    Lancaster 26.0″
    Norwell 25.0″
    Wilmington 25.0″
    Grafton 25.0″
    Berlin 24.0″
    Oxford 24.0″
    Auburn 23.5″
    Clinton 23.5″
    Sterling 23.0″
    Milford 22.0″
    Concord 22.0″
    Dracut 22.0″
    Chelsea 22.0″
    Wrentham 22.0″
    North Reading 21.8″
    Swampscott 21.5″
    Milbury 21.0″
    Everett 21.0″
    Boston 20.8″
    Norfolk 20.0″
    Pembroke 20.0″
    Newton 20.0″
  • Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

    01/27/2015 5:20:59 AM PST · 939 of 1,364
    daniel1212 to redleghunter
    Wonder what Moses would think of this?:

    It no wonder what Moses and Mary would think of such, as both magnified the Lord, not themselves, and Mary said "he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name, (Luke 1:49) not what great things she did for God. And as one who feared God she would not sanction the hyper exaltation of her which goes far far beyond what is written.

  • Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

    01/27/2015 5:13:26 AM PST · 938 of 1,364
    daniel1212 to terycarl; metmom
    She’s not the mother of His divine nature,

    Jesus was all man and all God and you cannot separate the two....You didn't pay real close attention in Religion class, did you???

    So you disagree with the prior statement? And the unqualified use of the extraBiblical title "Mother of God," which normally, as seen in Scripture, denotes ontological oneness?

    Why do not Catholics follow the Holy Spirit who distinguishes in what sense an entity brought forth Christ, that being "as concerning the flesh," and emphasize and exalt God,not the vessel?

    Does the Son of God owe His flesh and blood to her, or she to Him?

    If instrumentally being used of God as a channel of grace exalts one, then why do not Catholics exalt Mary's mother as the grandmother of God (the mother of the mother of God), and follow that back to Eve?

    Do you agree with Scripture that we are not to think of men above that which is written, or (1Co. 4:6) Or sanction and join the hyper exaltation of Mary as an almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to, whose [Mary] merits we are saved by, who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin," and "was elevated to a certain equality with the Heavenly Father," even so that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus," for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation," and whose power now "is all but unlimited," for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God," "surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven," so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse." Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose," and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven," including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels," whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests," and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess," and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources .

  • Blizzard of 2015

    01/27/2015 4:32:23 AM PST · 75 of 82
    daniel1212 to Morpheus2009

    Whoops. Sorry for the double post. Have to keep with the hype.

  • Blizzard of 2015

    01/27/2015 4:31:13 AM PST · 74 of 82
    daniel1212 to who knows what evil? are the latest snowfall totals from the National Weather Service in Boston and Rob Macedo, the SKYWARN Coordinator for the National Weather Service in Taunton as of 7:00 a.m.
    Worcester 25.0″
    Shrewsbury 22.0″
    Sandwich 18.0″
    Oxford 18.0″
    West Boylston 16.2″
    Southbridge 16.0″
    Dracut 16.0″
    Plymouth 15.8″
    East Freetown 15.0″
    Berlin 14.3″
    Wilmington 14.0″
    South Dennis 13.0″
    Clinton 12.5″
    Taunton 12.5″
    North Falmouth 12.5″
    Sturbridge 12.0″
    Pembroke 12.0″
    Logan Airport 11.8″
    North Acushnet 11.5″
    Cotuit 11.5″
    Charlton 11.0″
    New Bedford 11.0″
    Fairhaven 10.0″
    Littleton 10.0″
    Concord 10.0″
    Salem 9.0″
  • Blizzard of 2015

    01/27/2015 4:28:00 AM PST · 73 of 82
    daniel1212 to who knows what evil?

    Here are the latest snowfall totals from the National Weather Service in Boston and Rob Macedo, the SKYWARN Coordinator for the National Weather Service in Taunton as of 7:00 a.m.

    Shrewsbury 22.0″
    Sandwich 18.0″
    Oxford 18.0″
    West Boylston 16.2″
    Southbridge 16.0″
    Dracut 16.0″
    Plymouth 15.8″
    East Freetown 15.0″
    Berlin 14.3″
    Wilmington 14.0″
    South Dennis 13.0″
    Clinton 12.5″
    Taunton 12.5″
    North Falmouth 12.5″
    Sturbridge 12.0″
    Pembroke 12.0″
    Logan Airport 11.8″
    North Acushnet 11.5″
    Cotuit 11.5″
    Charlton 11.0″
    New Bedford 11.0″
    Fairhaven 10.0″
    Littleton 10.0″
    Concord 10.0″
    Salem 9.0″
    Centerville 9.0″
  • Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

    01/26/2015 7:52:05 PM PST · 872 of 1,364
    daniel1212 to metmom
    So, then, when Catholics tell us they are offering the sacrifice of the mass, in which Jesus as the lamb in heaven is perpetually dying and they are participating in that eternal sacrifice that is forever happening in heaven, then they are telling us that God, in some unfathomable way, beyond human understanding, is forever dying in heaven.

    I’m sure I’ve seen you post stuff about the sacrifice of the mass and Jesus perpetually dying in heaven since His death on the cross is eternally happening in heaven.

    Well, this gets into metaphysical explanations, and is another illustration of the need for interpretation of so much RC teaching. Note that the Bible has been called a dark and dead book, and denigrated as a supreme authority due to its interpretive nature, which is not true of RC teaching. Thus the typical layman must be expected to understand such teachings as following without thinking that that Christ somehow dies again as a sacrifice for sins, which requires actual blood.

    The supreme power of the priestly office is the power of consecrating...Indeed, it is equal to that of Jesus Christ...When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man...Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary [who is said to be all but almighty herself]...The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest's command. - (John A. O'Brien, Ph.D., LL.D., The Faith of Millions, 255-256 , O'Brien. Nihtt obstat: Rev. Lawrence Gollner, Censor Librorum Imprimatur: Leo A. Pursley, Bishop of Fort Wayne,-South Bend, March 16, 1974

    1265. What is the Sacrifice of the Mass?...Christ, the eternal High Priest, in an unbloody way offers himself a most acceptable Victim to the eternal Father, as he did upon the Cross.

    1269. How does the Mass re-present Calvary? The Mass re-presents Calvary by continuing Christ’s sacrifice of himself to his heavenly Father. In the Mass, no less than on Calvary, Jesus really offers his life to his heavenly Father.

    1277. Does the Mass detract from the one, unique Sacrifice of the Cross? The Catechism of the Council of Trent: The Mass in no way detracts from the one, unique Sacrifice of the Cross because the Mass is the same Sacrifice as that of the Cross, to continue on earth until the end of time...The Mass, therefore, no less than the Cross, is expiatory for sins; but now the expiation is experienced by those for whom, on the Cross, the title of God’s mercy had been gained. - The Question and Answer Catholic Catechism by Fr John Hardon

    And forasmuch as, in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the mass, that same Christ is contained and immolated in an unbloody manner, who once offered Himself in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross; the holy Synod teaches, that this sacrifice is truly propritiatory...For the victim is one and the same, the same now offering by the ministry of priests, who then offered Himself on the cross, the manner alone of offering being different. - Trent The Twenty-Second Session, cp. 2;

    We, therefore, confess that the sacrifice of the Mass is one and the same sacrifice with that of the cross...That the holy sacrifice of the Mass, therefore, is not only a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving, or a commemoration of the sacrifice of the cross; but also a sacrifice of propitiation, by which God is appeased and rendered propitious.. (The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Published by Command of Pope Pius the Fifth (New York: Christian Press, 1905), pp. 173-175).

    CCC 1364 As often as the sacrifice of the Cross by which 'Christ our Pasch has been sacrificed' is celebrated on the altar, the work of our redemption is carried out."

    CCC, second edition 1367: The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner. . . this sacrifice is truly propitiatory."

  • Blizzard of 2015

    01/26/2015 6:52:12 PM PST · 51 of 82
    daniel1212 to Sparky1776
    A bit of a difference.

    That's why 3000 vehicles were stranded on Rt. 128 during the Blizzard of 78.

  • Blizzard of 2015

  • Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

    01/26/2015 6:30:59 PM PST · 828 of 1,364
    daniel1212 to St_Thomas_Aquinas
    Many Protestants have been taught from the cradle that Catholics make Mary a demigod, or even worship her. This disposes them to reject all Catholic arguments out of hand.

    Where would they ever get the idea that Catholics make Mary a demigod, or even worship her.

    One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, and as having Divine powers and glory, and making offerings and beseeching such for Heavenly help, directly accessed by mental prayer.

    Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

    And making that distinction itself is presumptuous, as the Scriptures do not sanction religiously bowing down to any statue in supplication, nor supplies even one single prayer to anyone in Heaven but the Lord (crying "Abba, Father," Gal. 4:6; not "Mama, Mother"), nor in instructions on who to pray to ("our Father who art in Heaven," not "our Mother").

    Note that many Catholic Marian attributions much parallel even that of Christ:

    For in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*,

    • as Christ was sinless, so Mary was;

    • as the Lord remained a virgin, so Mary;

    • as Christ was called the Son of God, indicating ontological oneness, so Mary is called the Mother of God (which easily infers the same, and is not the language of Scripture);

    • as the emphasis is upon Christ as the Creator through whom God (the Father) made all things, including Mary, so it is emphasized that uniquely “to her, Jesus owes His Precious Blood,” shed for the salvation of mankind, (the logic behind which can lead back to Eve);

    • as Catholics (adding error to error) believe Christ gave His actual flesh and blood to be eaten, so it is emphasized that Mary gave Him this, being fashioned out of Mary's pure blood and even being “kneaded with the admixture of her virginal milk,” so that she can say, "Come and eat my bread, drink the wine I have prepared" (Prov. 9:5);

    • as Scripture declares that Christ suffered for our sins, so Mary is said to have done so also;

    • as Christ saves us from the condemnation and death resulting from the fault of Adam, so it is taught that man was condemned through the fault of Eve, the root of death, but that we are saved through the merits of Mary; who was the source of life for everyone.

    • as the Lord was bodily ascended into Heaven, so Mary also was;

    • as Christ is given all power in heaven and in earth, so Mary is “surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven.”

    • as Christ is the King of the saints and over all kings, (Rv. 15:3; 17:14; 19:16) so Mary is made Queen of Heaven and the greatest saint, and that “Next to God, she deserves the highest praise;”

    • as the Father made Christ Lord over all things, so Mary is enthroned (all other believers have to wait for their crowns) and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things;

    • as Christ is the express image of God, and highly exalted above all under the Father, having the primary position among all creation, so Mary is declared to be the greatest saint of all, and the first of all creatures, and as having a certain affinity with the Father, with a pre-eminent resemblance which she bears to the Father;

    • as Christ ever liveth to make intercession for the saints, so is Mary said to do so;

    • as all things come from the Father through the Son, so Mary is made to be the dispenser of all grace;

    • as Christ is given all power on Heaven and on earth, Mary is said to have (showing some restraint) “almost unlimited power;”

    • as no man comes to the Father but through the Son, so it is taught that no one can come to the Son except through Mary in Heaven;

    • and as the Lord called souls to come to Him to be given life and salvation, so (in misappropriation of the words of Scripture) it is said of Mary, “He that shall find me shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord;” “that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will, that we obtain everything through Mary.”

    • And as Christ is given many titles of honor, so Mary also is, except that she is honored by Catholics with more titles than they give to the Lord Himself!

      The NT church knoew nothing of

      an almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to,

      whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

      who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"

      and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain affinity with the Heavenly Father,"

      and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

      for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

      "surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

      so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

      and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

      for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

      Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

      and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"

      including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

      whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

      and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

      and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources and more.

  • Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

    01/26/2015 6:30:55 PM PST · 827 of 1,364
    daniel1212 to St_Thomas_Aquinas; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
    IOW, Mary's cooperation with the Will of God brought our Redeemer and Mediator into the world. In this sense, she is our Co-Redemptrix and Co-Mediatrix. She is not divine.

    It is not that "Mother of God" may not ever be technically allowed in an defining expression, as the Holy Spirit is careful to provide regarding Israel being the progenitor of Christ, "of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen," (Romans 9:5) but the problem is that this is not how Mother of God is expressed, but that even the more accurate title God-bearer (Theotokos) is shunned in preference to a term which most naturally denotes ontological oneness, that Mary contributed to the deity of Christ.

    This is not the language of Scripture any more than "Co-Redemptrix" is, and even Ratzinger's objection to Co-Redemptrix also applies here.

    when asked in an interview in 2000 whether the Church would go along with the desire to solemnly define Mary as Co-redemptrix, then-Cardinal Ratzinger responded that “the response of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, is, broadly, that what is signified by this is already better expressed in other titles of Mary, while the formula “Co-redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings” (53).

    He went on to say that, “Everything comes from Him [Christ], as their Latter to the Ephesians and the Letter to the Colossians, in particular, tell us; Mary, too, is everything she is through Him. The word “Co-redemptrix” would obscure this origin. A correct intention being expressed in the wrong way. “For matters of faith, continuity of terminology with the language of Scripture and that of the Fathers is itself an essential element; it is improper simply to manipulate language(God and the world: believing and living in our time, by Pope Benedict XVI, Peter Seewald, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, 2000, p. 306

    And if "Mother of God" and other titles are to be used by way of extrapolation, then Mary's mother can be called the grandmother of God, and so forth all the way back to Eve. But the unqualified use of Mother of God is used as part of the Catholic hyper exaltation of Mary as an almost almighty demigoddess who cannot be praised to much, without ever crossing the ambiguous line into Latria. Which hyper exaltation of any mortal is never seen in Scripture, and we are warned not to think of men above that which is written.

  • Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

    01/26/2015 5:34:57 PM PST · 798 of 1,364
    daniel1212 to Dutchboy88; Springfield Reformer; CynicalBear; mitch5501; BlueDragon
    The Markian passage (snake handlers special) and the Johanine passage (woman taken in adultery - John 8) are both episodes not found in the oldest of mss.

    But the premise is that older copies must be better copies is presumptuous, as the more recent copies can be from even earlier copies which wore out.

    You many like this post on this issue, and which is also debated in such forums as here .

    In addition, if i recall correctly, the old mss have the greater percentage of real discrepancies btwn each other.

    And based upon this older=better premise, the end of Mark is rejected or held as doubtful despite what 99.9% of the Greek manuscripts, 99% of the Syriac manuscripts, and 99.99% of the Latin manuscripts, and four second-century witnesses, over 40 other Roman-Empire-era witnesses evidence to the contrary.

    It is also noted that Christian faith seems to have done quite well with its great revivals before some men removed "And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen." (Mark 16:20)

    Yet there is more to revival than that!

    Occasionally, "supplied" words are not necessarily "supplied."

    I was aware of that, and sometimes i think the KJV has words that are not in the Greek but are not marked as supplied via the use of italics. Yet often i find the reading clearer without the use the italicized supplied words.

    One example is

    Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity. (Job 34:10)

    Of course, the commas are supplied, and punctuation is needed or helpful all over the place.

    John 8:58 says before Abraham was, "I Am," (egō eimi) without any added italicized "he." And in Jn. 13:13: "Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am." But in Jn. 8:24 it adds the "he" in italics, "ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he , ye shall die in your sins." Also in Jn. 8:28.

    Likewise in Jn. 18:5-6:

    They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he . And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he , they went backward, and fell to the ground.

    In all these cases i believe it should read "I Am," as it seems John is denoting His deity. Yet in other places the "he" is rightly added in italics, as in "Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he : if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:" (Jn. 18:8) This answers to Christ being the Jesus of Nazareth whom the soldier sought, while I AM is whom they met and could not have touched if the Lord was not also the Lamb of God.

    And in Jn. 9:9 Is not this he that sat and begged? Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he .

    Further, words in the King's English (such as "prevent")meant

    I rarely have had a problem with such, for as in everyday speck, context usually supplies meaning. They that speak leasing is not referring to Avis.

    Chapters and verses were the construct of a medieval monk

    Very helpful but not inspired or binding. I use BPbible which enables copying in paragraph style.

    Anyway, I ramble.

    Me to, but which Scripture Never Does, but provides an abundance of Truth in an economy of words. You may like my Books of the Bible page. Has some interesting stats also. Praise be to God.

    Another notable aspect is the variety of literary genres in Scripture and in life, and which variety is part of the unique scope and depth and communication that is unique to humans. A revealing study (and of liberal fantasy) related to this is Project Nim: Can a chimp learn language ?

    Carry on soldier!

  • Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

    01/26/2015 9:23:18 AM PST · 679 of 1,364
    daniel1212 to Dutchboy88
    Translation is not complete, or accurate, unless the pictures formed in the readers' minds are the same as those intended by the writers. And, frankly, there are several remarks in the King's English that are no longer understood the way they were in the 1600s.

    Thank you for being committed to accuracy, which is commendable. However, that is what i find fault with in new translations, that of too much paraphrasing (and usually without identifying supplied words as the KJV often does), and or relying upon the supposedly better mss, going so far as to exclude the end of Mark as being in the original text based upon about 1% of mss missing it.

    But the primary thing is that we heed the basic Truth in any translation.

  • The Absurdity of Separated Brethren

    01/26/2015 7:51:32 AM PST · 125 of 307
    daniel1212 to workerbee; RnMomof7; Elsie; metmom; BlueDragon
    Oooh look! The latest in anti-Catholic porn, so pathetically typical of FR lately.

    Actually, this is not porn, but properly sanctioned Catholic material, and evangelical postings were invited. When we chastened RCs for their incessant posting of RCs news and propaganda, some responded that we should be posting more of our own. So a couple of RC posters have occasional done so, while the vast majority of religion articles are from RCs. And it is not use who promote an elitist church, but cultic RCs.

  • The Absurdity of Separated Brethren

    01/26/2015 7:38:06 AM PST · 123 of 307
    daniel1212 to ebb tide; metmom; boatbums; xone; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
    What has the Catholic Church always taught and still does, despite bad popes?

    That is not a valid argument as what the Catholic Church has always taught is itself subject to interpretations, resulting in sects such as what you represent. You have a limited, infallible class of teachings on paper, while both what these all consist on and their meanings, as well as those of the rest can be subject to divisive interpretations. Meanwhile what one does and effects constitutes the evidence of what one really believes.

    Regarding interpretation, among other things , Vatican 2 interpreted extra Ecclesiam nulla salus - an infallible teaching according to most - differently than what is most plainly conveyed and was historically held in past times.

    Moreover, V2 itself is subject to variant interpretations, and as a result of what some understandably see as changes, then the schismatic SSPV and SSPX sects, and those who informally belong to them, interpret parts of V2 as not binding. Likewise the nature and meanings of encyclicals and bulls etc, are also subject to interpretation.

    In addition, Rome shows what she really believes by what she does and effects, which partly is shown by treating even proabortion, prohomo, promuslim pols are members in life and in death, as well as their known supporters, which speaks louder than some paper statements, which thus fosters more RC supporters of such.

    For souls look for the meaning of what is preached by how the preachers translated it into action, to which Rome directs the faithful to look, not that of examining evidences in order to ascertain the veracity of RC teaching.

    RCs are told that

    "the Church is essentially an unequal society, that is, a society comprising two categories of per sons, the Pastors and the flock...the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors. (VEHEMENTER NOS, an Encyclical of Pope Pius X promulgated on February 11, 1906),

    “All that we do [as must be patent enough now] is to submit our judgment and conform our beliefs to the authority Almighty God has set up on earth to teach us; this, and nothing else.” (Henry G. Graham, "What Faith Really Means", (Nihil Obstat:C. SCHUT, S. T.D., Censor Deputatus, Imprimatur: EDM. CANONICUS SURMONT, D.D.,Vicarius Generalis. WESTMONASTERII, Die 30 Septembris, 1914 ); /Tradition/faith2-10.htm]

    "The intolerance of the Church toward error, the natural position of one who is the custodian of truth, her only reasonable attitude makes her forbid her children to read or to listen to heretical controversy, or to endeavor to discover religious truths by examining both sides of the question. This places the Catholic in a position whereby he must stand aloof from all manner of doctrinal teaching other than that delivered by his Church through her accredited ministers." (John H. Stapleton, Explanation of Catholic Morals, Chapters XIX, XXIII. the consistent believer (1904); Nihil Obstat. Remy Lafort, Censor Librorum. Imprimatur, John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York ;

    To do as your sect does, that of determining obedience based upon your interpretation of which RC teaching is authentic and its meaning, is to do what RCs censure evangelicals for doing in the light of Scripture.

    Finally, comparing one particular church with a variety of churches loosely defines under one name is not a valid comparison, while comparing then according to their fundamental distinctive basis for determining Truth would be.

    And it remains that evangelicals, which hold most strongly to the Prot distinctive of Scripture being emphasized as the wholly inspired and accurate word of God, are the most unified large religious group in conservative moral values and many basic beliefs. While liberal Prots are closer to RCs overall, which their churches also tend to be in doctrine.

    You should know, having left it.


  • Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

    01/25/2015 7:23:45 PM PST · 566 of 1,364
    daniel1212 to I-ambush; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
    I thought only the King James Version of the Bible was considered authoritative by Protestants.

    No, that is a minority, but i still hold it to be the best.

  • Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

    01/25/2015 7:22:03 PM PST · 565 of 1,364
    daniel1212 to Dalberg-Acton
    The writer had better be glad Dr. Walter Martin is deceased and can’t defend himself. I would love to see them in a one on one debate, just not anytime soon .

    Indeed, though i myself see Christ as being the Son before His incarnation, yet Martin upheld the preexistence of Christ. . Here are many to hear, which vary from week to week,Walter Martin's Religious InfoNet - Listening Library


  • The Gospel According to the Church Fathers

    01/25/2015 7:09:51 PM PST · 272 of 378
    daniel1212 to CynicalBear; Greetings_Puny_Humans
    Rome herself picks and chooses passages from the Fathers they see supporting her. For the “promisedunanimous consent of the fathers?, is not unanimous.

    It is revealed truth always living in the mind of the Church, or, if it is preferred, the present thought of the Church in continuity with her traditional thought, which is for it the final criterion, according to which the living magisterium adopts as true or rejects as false the often obscure and confused formulas which occur in the monuments of the past.

    Thus are explained both her respect for the writings of the Fathers of the Church and her supreme independence towards those writings–she judges them more than she is judged by them .” — Catholic Encyclopedia: “Tradition and Living Magisterium;”, emp. mine.

    And as Joseph A. Fitzmyer, S.J. finds,

    When one hears today the call for a return to a patristic interpretation of Scripture, there is often latent in it a recollection of Church documents that spoke at times of the "˜unanimous consent of the Fathers´ as the guide for biblical interpretation.(fn. 23) But just what this would entail is far from clear. For, as already mentioned, there were Church Fathers who did use a form of the historical-critical method, suited to their own day, and advocated a literal interpretation of Scripture, not the allegorical. But not all did so.

    Yet there was no uniform or monolithic patristic interpretation, either in the Greek Church of the East, Alexandrian or Antiochene, or in the Latin Church of the West. No one can ever tell us where such a " unanimous consent of the fathers" is to be found, and Pius XII finally thought it pertinent to call attention to the fact that there are but few texts whose sense has been defined by the authority of the Church, " nor are those more numerous about which the teaching of the Holy Fathers is unanimous." (fn. 24) Joseph A. Fitzmyer, Scripture, The Soul of Theology (New York: Paulist Press, 1994), p. 70.

  • The Gospel According to the Church Fathers

    01/25/2015 7:00:35 PM PST · 271 of 378
    daniel1212 to metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
    Show us where any Protestants taught that the gospel was hopelessly lost until the Reformation.

    That is not what i see Reformers teaching, and thus the classic quote of what no less a RC than Manning resorted to:

    It was the charge of the Reformers that the Catholic doctrines were not primitive, and their pretension was to revert to antiquity. But the appeal to antiquity is both a treason and a heresy. It is a treason because it rejects the Divine voice of the Church at this hour, and a heresy because it denies that voice to be Divine... I may say in strict truth that the Church has no antiquity....Primitive and modern are predicates, not of truth, but of ourselves...The only Divine evidence to us of what was primitive is the witness and voice of the Church at this hour. . — Most Rev. Dr. Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, Lord Archbishop of Westminster, The Temporal Mission of the Holy Ghost: Or Reason and Revelation (New York: J.P. Kenedy & Sons, originally written 1865, reprinted with no date), pp. 227-228.

    For as also said, Rome has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.

    Also, as Pelikan found ,

    "Recent research on the Reformation entitles us to sharpen it and say that the Reformation began because the reformers were too catholic in the midst of a church that had forgotten its catholicity.. ."

    “The reformers were catholic because they were spokesmen for an evangelical tradition in medieval catholicism, what Luther called "the succession of the faithful." The fountainhead of that tradition was Augustine (d. 430). His complex and far-reaching system of thought incorporated the catholic ideal of identity plus universality, and by its emphasis upon sin and grace it became the ancestor of Reformation theology...

    … All the reformers relied heavily upon Augustine. They pitted his evangelical theology against the authority of later church fathers and scholastics, and they used him to prove that they were not introducing novelties into the church, but defending the true faith of the church.”

    “...To prepare books like the Magdeburg Centuries they combed the libraries and came up with a remarkable catalogue of protesting catholics and evangelical catholics, all to lend support to the insistence that the Protestant position was, in the best sense, a catholic position.

    Additional support for this insistence comes from the attitude of the reformers toward the creeds and dogmas of the ancient catholic church. The reformers retained and cherished the doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of the two natures in Christ which had developed in the first five centuries of the church….”

    “If we keep in mind how variegated medieval catholicism was, the legitimacy of the reformers' claim to catholicity becomes clear. — Jaroslav Pelikan [Lutheran, later Orthodox] , The Riddle of Roman Catholicism (New York: Abingdon Press, 1959, p. 46),the Reformers looks to history is that Jaroslav Pelikan, The Riddle of Roman Catholicism (New York: Abingdon Press, 1959, pp. 46,47)

  • Major winter storm could bring blizzard conditions to Massachusetts

    01/25/2015 6:30:34 PM PST · 68 of 152
    daniel1212 to redleghunter
    But today it was 72 sunny with blue sky. Spent the day out in God’s Glorious creation.

    But you cannot be one of the Frozen Chosen!

  • Major winter storm could bring blizzard conditions to Massachusetts

    01/25/2015 10:50:10 AM PST · 46 of 152
    daniel1212 to SamAdams76; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ..
    I've been a New Englander all my life and even the most ferocious northeasters will only keep you housebound for no more than a couple days. The worst one I can remember was the famous February 1978 blizzard in which most of New England got buried in 3-4 feet of snow. Yes feet. With drifts up to six feet right in the middle of Boston. Cars were completely buried.

    With 3k vehicles standard on Rt. 128. This is not Buffalo, which is has far less pop. density.

    I was working at a dairy farm north of Boston, processing and delivering milk. Got up early Tues. and shoveled for a long time just to get to the street, but my 67 Pontiac Catalina with 15'' studded snow tires could not go anywhere. Finally made to work that night, and helped process milk with the pasteurizer who lived across the street.

    We were the first milk truck out on the road the next morning, those 10.00 tires going thru the snow well. Most stores were services every other day with milk, and so I was a day late. My first stop usually got 20 cases gallons (4 to a cs.) and 15 cases of half gal. (9 per cs.) but the owner asked for all the milk i could give him. I had loaded extra and gave him 90 cases total.

    Then he asked me to do him a favor, and get 100 loaves of wonder bread from the factory a mile away, which i did as we owed him a favor for loaning us a truck once. But this was a milk truck, nor a bread truck with racks, and the loaves got flatter and flatter.

    But it did not matter, as the people bought them like hot cakes. The trip took an hour, and the owner said he has 10 cases of milk left.

    People were overall friendly, many likely discovering their neighbors as more than mere passing acquaintances, and the skies were crystal clear.

    We played catch-up most of the rest of the week, which had begun with the dairy having a surplus of milk for its own 35-+ cows, but ending up buying thousands of gallons from the co-op.

    Thank God we could do it, but ice cream (which i graduated to delivering) melts, and souls live forever, with the Lord or in Hell, where they can only wish for snow.

  • Major winter storm could bring blizzard conditions to Massachusetts

    01/25/2015 10:12:29 AM PST · 45 of 152
    daniel1212 to mkleesma
  • Major Blizzard to Shut Down Boston, NYC Area

    01/25/2015 10:09:09 AM PST · 28 of 42
    daniel1212 to RipSawyer
    Part of the problem is the population density in many NE cities in MA and NY, and the timing of the snow. The blizzard of 78 left 3,000 vehicles stranded on Rt. 128, and martial law for a time.
  • Joe Bastardi's Saturday Summary January 24, 2015

    01/25/2015 7:47:06 AM PST · 19 of 21
    daniel1212 to Excellence; GreyFriar; PA Engineer; Jack Hydrazine; Parley Baer; Hugin; Diana in Wisconsin; ...
    After much shoveling around yesterday, I am sick today and hope and pray i can recover to shovel tomorrow!

    Major Blizzard to Shut Down Boston, NYC Area Tuesday

    He giveth snow like wool: he scattereth the hoarfrost like ashes. He casteth forth his ice like morsels: who can stand before his cold? He sendeth out his word, and melteth them: he causeth his wind to blow, and the waters flow. (Psalms 147:16-18)

    From the competition from what i found


    2014So far in 2014, much of the United States has been unusually cold. Not only that, but much of the United States has been unusually warm....Minimum temperatures (“overnight lows”) for much of the Upper Midwest and the Mississippi Valley were much cooler than average—with a lone “record coldest” minimum temperature in Oklahoma—while a number of climate divisions across the Southwest, including drought-stricken California had record warm overnight lows.




  • The 12 worst ideas religion has unleashed on the world

    01/25/2015 3:40:54 AM PST · 33 of 38
    daniel1212 to metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...

    Ping to above.

  • The 12 worst ideas religion has unleashed on the world

    01/25/2015 3:40:17 AM PST · 32 of 38
    daniel1212 to SeekAndFind
    Typical atheist sophistry,  which depends upon lumping all religions  together and or refusing to see the positive aspects of Biblical principals, while ignoring the beam that is in the eye of atheism and liberals regarding the faults Valerie finds.

    1. Chosen People...convey to both that insiders are inherently superior: This is a necessary objection coming an atheists (brites) and or liberals since they are the ones who see themselves as the elite, who have all the answers, and tend toward dictatorships.

    But in the Bible being the Chosen People did not mean you were inherently superior, though they many wrongly thought they were, but just the opposite. For God chose to reveal Himself to Israel and thus through them to the world not de to any inherent superiority them but due to His promise to faithful Abraham. In contrast, Moses testified to them, “Ye have been rebellious against the Lord from the day that I knew you.” (Deuteronomy 9:24) And who were enjoined to care for strangers, since they had been strangers in a foreign land, while the Lord says does not favor those who exalt themselves, but looks to those who are of a poor and contrite spirit who reverence the word of God. (Is 66:2)

    Likewise under the New Covenant, in which believers are reminded they were the children of disobedience, (Eph. 2:2) and have nothing which they did not receive, (1Co. 4:7) and that those who exalt themselves will be abased. (Lk. 18:14)

    Thus the chosen people are chose not think they are inherently superior, and which never would have been chosen if they were, while God calls all mankind to be part of this people who are redeemed on His sacrificial expense and righteousness. (Jn. 3:16; Gal 2:20; Rm. 3:23-4:7ff)

    Christianity blurs together the concepts of unbeliever and evildoer.

    Rather, the Lord in the OT never warred against or destroyed a moral pagan culture, or merely because they were pagan. But immorality goes together with idolatry, and which peoples exampled what the Lord called believers not to do. Yet the NT affirms that Gentiles (unbelievers), which have not the law, can do by nature the things contained in the law,” (Romans 2:14) which leads them to Jesus Christ the righteous, whom good men seek, and Cornelius and household were such. (Acts 10)

    Heretics, kafir, or infidels (to use the medieval Catholic term) are morally suspect and often seen as less than fully human....Those who don’t believe in a god are corrupt, doers of abominable deeds. “

    As in other cases, Valerie's superficial theological understanding is showing, and even the Muslim source (they are often unreliable) she references states, “heretics and schismatics of divers confessions are not called infidels but non-Catholics....Infidels, on the contrary, are not members of the ecclesiastical society,.. they are entirely exempt from the canon law; they need to be enlightened and converted, not punished.

    And it also contradicts her statement regarding their nature: “infidels are not excluded from the moral order; they can perform acts of natural virtue...(

    Thus the atheist “brite” confuses pagans/heathen with heretics

    Ultimately, heretics are a threat that needs to be neutralized by conversion, conquest, isolation, domination, or—in worst cases—mass murder.

    Which means Valerie fails to hold the NT as the standard for what defines Christianity and instead uses the progressively fundamentally deformed church of Rome as that. Next she will have NT Christians ordaining a separate class of sacerdotal “priests,” praying to angels and a special class of believes in Heaven called “saints,” and looking to Peter as the first of a line of infallible popes reigning supreme in Rome.

    And among other things, ( using the sword of men to deal with theological dissidents, and creating theocracies and requiring RC rulers to exterminate the heretics or else be deposed, and sanctioning torture even of suspected witnesses.

    None of which the NT church is seen doing or supporting, as the Lord stated “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) Thus “we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” (Ephesians 6:12)For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh...” (2 Corinthians 10:3)

    Meanwhile, liberals have their own inquisitions, persecuting (economic sanctions etc.) conscientious Christians or companies who cannot support homosexual relations, or climate change paranoia etc.

    2. Holy War. If war can be holy, anything goes. The medieval Roman Catholic Church..

    Indeed, but the above applies here. And which early Protestants had to unlearn. Meanwhile, some evangelical groups have even gone to the other extreme toward pacifism.

    Sunni and Shia Muslims have slaughtered each other for centuries.

    Indeed, And he [Ishmael] will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. (Genesis 16:12)

    Yet while it should not have been the church of Rome raising armies, but someone had to stop them from taking over Europe.

    The Hebrew scriptures recount battle after battle in which their war God, Yahweh, helps them to not only defeat but also exterminate the shepherding cultures that occupy their “Promised Land.”

    Shepherding cultures?” oh how quaint, when these were terminally wicked peoples whom the Author of Life finally stopped from replicating and spreading, while rescuing the innocent from being like them by taking them to Himself. But when God does not deal with such wickedness then atheists charge Him with neglect.

    And unlike Islam, these conquests were restricted to those of certain localized tribal peoples and areas, and only was enjoined after God made it unmistakable supernaturally clear that He was real and was leading them, whom the Hebrews then choose to obey, versus a man having visions which he originally worried were from demons, and which later accommodated his needs. His kingdom was of this world, and thus its means.

    Meanwhile, atheism fosters “political religion” as man will always worship something, and Google “atheism's body count” or its “holy” wars.

    Blasphemy – Blasphemy is the notion that some ideas are inviolable, off limits to criticism, satire, debate, or even question.

    Which certainly has been my overall experience with online atheists, who seem entirely unable or unwilling to engage in objective analysis that would even allow for the possibility of God, or their manifestly skewed contruance of Bible texts.

    And it is even more the case with liberals, who have zero tolerance of anything that impugns the acceptance of homosexual relations as valid and to be promoted, or debate about the dire warnings of climate change.

    The idea that blasphemy must be prevented or avenged has caused millions of murders over the centuries and countless other horrors.

    For which she cannot find much in Scripture, as it did not enjoin killing idolators simply for theological reasons, but for their resultant immoral effects, though under Moses blasphemy within Israel was a capital crime. Which resulted in the crucifixion of Christ and NT Christianity, under which blasphemers were only dealt with by spiritual power. (1Tim. 1:20)

    3. Glorified suffering... A core premise of Christianity is that righteous torture—if it’s just intense and prolonged enough–can somehow fix the damage done by evil, sinful behavior. Millions of crucifixes litter the world as testaments to this belief.

    Thus this atheist rejects crime and punishment? Or is this another example of the unlearned wresting a scriptures, unto their own destruction? (2 Peter 3:16) Well, what seems reasonable to them can be justified.

    That justice requires satisfaction for a crime is basic jurisprudence, so why disallow God from defining and engaging in it? The atonement of Christ did not “fix the damage done by evil” as meaning a corporate repristinated earth the moment He died, but it enabled forgiveness and reconciliation with God on His own expense and “credit,” enabling a better world via those who are more like Him, insofar as they are.

    Self-denial in the form of asceticism and fasting is a part of both Eastern and Western religions, not only because deprivation induces altered states but also because people believe suffering somehow brings us closer to divinity.

    The purpose of asceticism in Scripture is not to induce altered states, as meaning delusional, and instead abstaining from food or certain other things for a time can help clear the senses for better perception, as even secular people can attest. And suffering can help one feel the pain of others and help them better. But which is in contrast to the claimed of Anorexia mirabilis attributed to certain Cath.”saints.”

    5, Genital mutilation... Infant circumcision in Judaism serves as a sign of tribal membership

    And which is healthy, and signifies the heart.

    (While the men lie incapacitated, the whole town is then slain by the Israelites.)

    And which was due to dealing with a sister as with an harlot, but this response not commanded and was contrary to Israel/Jacob's desire. “Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land...” (Gn. 34:30)

    in some Muslim cultures cutting away or burning the female clitoris

    Which is nowhere seen or commanded in the Bible.

    6. Blood sacrifice... many believed that they were literally feeding supernatural beings.

    Which is nowhere seen or commanded in the Bible.

    The residual child sacrifice in the Hebrew Bible (yes it is there)

    This one really gets the prize as an example of how desperate and or careless and or ignorant some atheists can be, though charging God with rape for the consensual and requested supernatural impregnation of Mary was quite creative by Valerie also. Here Valerie resorts to using a poor agenda-driven anti-Christ web site to confirm her assertion that child sacrifice is commanded in the Hebrew Bible, which cites Exodus 22:29-30, “the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me...“ but which is easily manifest to be an absolutely absurd understanding of this text.

    Which text, among other things, has to do with the offering of the first born to God, but which even a cursory amount of cross referencing (which is a standard work in exegesis) would show that this refers dedicating the child to the service of God, as Hannah did — and the virgin Mary!

    Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine. (Exo 13:2)

    And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) (Luk 2:22-23) And which could be redeemed. (Num_18:15-17)

    And God's thoughts on the child sacrifice Valarie changes are, “And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.” (Jeremiah 32:35)

    But some atheists seem to be all too willing to believe anything negative they can use against the God they are at war with.

    Meanwhile, Christ maturely laid His life down freely, supporting His Father's will, in case someone wants to raise that. (Jn. 10:17,18)

    7. Hell

    It is not surprising Valerie would want to deny this, but in the atheistic construct there is no ultimate justice, despite their often objectively baseless self-righteous moralizing, and a Hitler or a Stalin will have the same end as the most moral, selfless, loving philanthropist.

    But in God's economy, then there is both eternal life and eternal punishment, in contradistinction to each other, and with different degrees for both, relative to sins committed and in the light of benefits/abilities given, (Mt. 23:14) and with salvation being on God's expense, and the lost being those who did not want to obey the light they had, which would have led them to Christ. (Jn. 3:19-21; 12:34ff)

    Meanwhile under atheists such as Mao Zedong, Pol Pot and others who effectively acted as atheists, you have a degree of Hell on earth. If God did not restrain evil to some degree, the whole earth would be as North Korea.

    8. Karma – Like hell, the concept of karma offers a selfish incentive for good behavior—it’ll come back at you later—but it has enormous costs. Chief among these is a tremendous weight of cultural passivity in the face of harm and suffering.

    This is consistent with the superficial one-size-fits-all atheistic approach to religion, and fails to describe how the proven Biblical principal of sowing and reaping fosters evil rather than having a deterrent effect.

    9. Eternal Life..But it doesn’t take much analysis to realize how quickly eternal paradise would become hellish—an endless repetition of never changing groundhog days (because how could they change if they were perfect).

    Which dark-basement perception presumes being perfect in character and being prevents varied activity, or that such is necessary to always be joyous in knowing perfect beauty and perfection, and that such would be boring. So atheists attack God for allowing an imperfect world, then attack Him for having a perfect Heaven. Implacable.

    The real reason that the notion of eternal life is such a bad invention, though, is the degree to which it diminishes and degrades existence on this earthly plane. With eyes lifted heavenward, we can’t see the intricate beauty beneath our feet. Devout believers put their spiritual energy into preparing for a world to come rather than cherishing and stewarding the one wild and precious world we have been given.

    Rather, it is those of faith who behold the wondrous irreducible complexity of creation, and Christians are instructed to occupy till the Lord comes, seeking to make earth more like Heaven, and give far far more resources to that end. The amount that churches are giving overseas in goods and services to developing (“Third World”) countries amounts to $8.8 billion. This figures out to be nearly 40 percent of the foreign aid provided by the United States to the same region. (Carol Adelman of the Hudson Institute, from Notre Dame University study.)

    Meanwhile atheists are among the least charitable, and atheists and agnostics religious skeptics were also much less likely to be driven to have a clear sense of purpose in life (55%, compared to 77% of all American adults) (

    10. Male Ownership of Female Fertility...that if a woman should die of childbearing “she was made to do it,” most certainly did.

    Oh yes, we celebrate it. Not. But while liberals attack groups as Focus on the Family, we do see women as having a privileged status as being the bearer of life, while liberals and atheists overwhelmingly favor terminating pregnancies if not convenient.

    Traditional religions variously assert that men have a god-ordained right to give women in marriage,

    Yes, while they are to work as a team, the male is to ultimately, normatively call the signals.

    take them in war,

    So an OT situational allowance of taking such a wives rather than leaving them as homeless means Christians are to do so?

    exclude them from heaven,

    Which is nowhere taught in Scripture.

    and kill them if the origins of their offspring can’t be assured.

    Translated meaning if you are pregnant with no husband that he must take you as a wife and provide for you, unless one was married, which adultery was a capital offense and rare, and worked against fatherless kids, and strengthened family and society.

    Hence Catholicism’s maniacal obsession with the virginity of Mary and female martyrs.

    Again, Catholicism is serious deformation of not NT Christianity, but i think many atheists need to confess they just do not like kid or pregnant women. At least not most feminist ones.

    We now know that resource scarcity is a conflict trigger and that demand for water and arable land is growing even as both resources decline

    Yes, we have head this sky-is-falling, power-grabbing tactic for decades, which meant there would be no more oil by now and no ice on the N. pole. In reality, WW poverty has been decreasing as well as the birth rate, though the later is not the cause of the former. And global warming, if real, and which is not new, could ultimately produce more food. But atheistic Communism has served to eliminate millions.

    11. Bibliolatry (aka Book Worship)...The sacred texts of Judaism, Christianity and Islam forbid idol worship, but over time the texts themselves became idols,

    Non-sense. Judges who judge things in the light of the Constitution are not worshiping it.

    Religious apologists often try to deny, minimize, or explain away the sins of scripture and the evils of religious history.

    Which can be entirely valid, unlike atheists trying to absolve atheism from being implicated in the atrocities of men who were atheists or who effectively operated as such.

    Such platitudes may offer comfort, but denying problems doesn’t solve them. Quite the opposite, in fact. Change comes with introspection and insight, a willingness to acknowledge our faults and flaws while still embracing our strengths and potential for growth.

    Which is what we can do, as we have a transcendent supreme standard by which to judge things by, even if often interpretive to some degree, unlike atheism which has none and thus what it immoral to one can be and has been reasoned as moral to another.

    we need real reformation, as radical as that of the 16th Century and much, much broader.

    Oh yes, the brave new world of atheism, in which what is right or wrong is simply what seems reasonable to each atheist. Should children be removed from all evangelical Christian homes by the state? Depends on which atheist you ask.

    The last century already exampled the wonderful paradise of atheistic communism. We need not more of it. But more souls like Christ is what is.


    01/24/2015 4:23:41 AM PST · 89 of 116
    daniel1212 to Grateful2God; Elsie; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; CynicalBear; ..
    Also much less derision, sarcasm, diversion off-topic, tasteless graphics... Please don't do us any favors... Start a "People Who Hate Catholicism" caucus.

    derision, sarcasm, diversion off-topic, tasteless graphics.

    Once again, RC abound with such, as can be shown, and it also has been my observation that they are the most cited by the RM for infractions. And who also whine the most like liberals exampling the victim entitlement mentality.

    Meanwhile, what you object to is almost always the result of incessant daily RC postings of threads about heir elitist church, including those attacking Prot belief, and as long as certain RCs insist on turning FR into a RC information and apologetics service then they ought to be countered and the specious claims of Rome exposed. As they have been, but which seems to make them more desperate and ramp up the propaganda machine.

    Something about a hot kitchen comes to mind.

  • Pope Francis Shocks Liberals on Same-Sex “Marriage”

    01/24/2015 4:13:09 AM PST · 29 of 35
    daniel1212 to Alex Murphy
    How do we know he's not being mistranslated?

    The Semi-Official Catholic Internet Magisterium (SOCIM) will tell you.


    01/23/2015 11:59:33 AM PST · 60 of 116
    daniel1212 to defconw
    Pope Francis is speaking to the press many of whom are not Catholic or even religious so it makes sense that he speaks to them differently then he would say the Curia. Also Pope Francis is not well versed in English

    That may have some weight, and the media can put meanings into real or "recalled" papal remarks ("Who am I do judge?") that context does not support (like as RCs often do with Scripture), but which at best shows a lack of wisdom and judgement on his part, and or those who elected him. A leader must be able to communicate well, as Peter did, esp. a world leader, and have the wisdom to answer leading questions as well a sincere public ones.

    It certainly is not as if Francis is not known from coming up with radically sounding statements or actions, which sets the unofficial Internet magisterium into action interpreting the interpreter (even if not binding teaching), in either indicting him, or engaging in damage control trying to support his statements as orthodox.

    Look what had to be done to justify the Pope Francis Posing With Anti-Fracking Activists (

    And you have statements as.

    “The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class! We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all!

    And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”" - Pope Francis —

    This is plain old liberal theology. The pope does not know that the atonement of Christ does no make anyone a child of God until they come to the Lord Jesus with repentant faith. All are God's offspring as regards being made in His image, but they are not redeemed by the blood of Christ until they are regenerated. Instead we are children of the devil (Jn. 8:44) and of disobedience. (Eph. 2:2

    Moreover, any "gospel" being preached her is that of a path towards peace with atheists by social action. And which Francisology is consistent with other interpretive statements subject to interpretation by RCs:
    Don't proselytize; respect others' beliefs. "We can inspire others through witness so that one grows together in communicating. But the worst thing of all is religious proselytism, which paralyzes: 'I am talking with you in order to persuade you,' No. Each person dialogues, starting with his and her own identity. The church grows by attraction, not proselytizing," the pope said. —;

    Plus from the first controversial interview of Francis by Scalfari, of questionable value ( - yet published with Vatican permission and which the pope seemed happy with as he granted Scalfari two more interviews), are these reconstructed recollections:

    "Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense. We need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us."

    "Each of us has a vision of good and of evil. We have to encourage people to move towards what they think is Good."

    "And I repeat it here. Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place." -


    01/23/2015 9:53:08 AM PST · 29 of 116
    daniel1212 to defconw; Salvation
    Actually it is usually RCs who post on controversial remarks by Francis with derogatory remarks by them abounding, which threads would see much less activity if evangelicals did not get involved.

    Caucus threads usually get very very few responses except for a certain poster posting dozens of posts to herself.


    01/23/2015 9:45:05 AM PST · 27 of 116
    daniel1212 to Alex Murphy; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
    1) Remind yourself that the Pope was probably mistranslated 2) Remind yourself the Pope isn't supposed to be infallible 3) Remind yourself that the Sedevacantists are taking new members

    1) Remind yourself that the pope was probably misunderstood by liberals, or conservatives, depending on which side you are on, like as you do with their interpretation of church teaching, for which they often look the non-infallible words and actions of popes and prelates.

    2) If the pope seems to be speaking as a liberal and you are a conservative, remind yourself that the pope was not speaking infallibly, then to counter him quote a conservative pope who also was not speaking infallibly.

    3) If you are a liberal then remind yourself that the pope is overall making you feel even more comfortable. If you are a conservative, remind yourself that if the pope really is a far left liberal then you can become, even if perhaps informally, part of the SSPX or SSPV sects, or the beloved EO schism.

    4) If you are a liberal then tell liberal Prots they are brothers, but warn them of the evangelicals who vote too much as a block against liberal PC politicians and oppose liberal values more than Catholics. If you are a conservative, continue to attack evangelicals as hopelessly divided and your foremost single theological threat, and promote the pope and prelates as the interpretive solution to sects and division.

  • Pagan Saints

    01/23/2015 4:51:39 AM PST · 329 of 471
    daniel1212 to Mark17
    A bit long, but a good read. Some crazy stuff going on out there.

    Yes, sorry about the length, but the original is even longer, and i wanted to supply enough of the depth of it. The devil often works in religion to two extremes, asceticism or indulgence.

    Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die: Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me: Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain. (Proverbs 30:7-9)

    But Godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. (1 Timothy 6:6-8)

  • Pagan Saints

    01/22/2015 9:35:22 PM PST · 319 of 471
    daniel1212 to RnMomof7; CynicalBear; Resettozero; boatbums; imardmd1; metmom; caww; presently no screen name; ... Ummm some "Doctor" of the church

    You actually have the wrong Catherine, as Catherine of Siena is the one this quote is attributed to, and which is not on the Wikipedia page listed. Nor is it on the one for Catherine of Siena:

    Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom....

    God has commanded that, even if the priests, the pastors, and Christ-on-earth were incarnate devils, we be obedient and subject to them, not for their sakes, but for the sake of God, and out of obedience to Him. (St. Catherine of Siena)

    I had part of that quote but was never able to find a original source for it online outside of it it being quoted in in Apostolic Digest by sedevacantist Michael Malone, Book 5, "The Book of Obedience,as KINGS & PRIESTS, and also atrrbuted to St. Catherine of Siena: A Biography By Anne B. Baldwin.

    But nuns can be quite familiar with the demonic.

    There was "Sister Magdalena of the Cross -The devil's saint for 40 years" with her demonic heavenly visions:

    Not long after her fifth birthday, she is praying in Church when she hears music of remarkable sweetness. Then a beautiful young man, with thick, black hair appears to her, wearing a mantle so brilliant that she has to close her eyes. Hearing the story, some believe it to be Jesus. News of this event spreads throughout Córdoba, and many want to see little Magdalena. - See more at:

    ...But for now, little Magdalena is living a simple life with her family who were poor artisans, and while Magdalena remains of exemplary modesty and conduct, the visions continue, one after another, and as time goes on this attracts the attention of many; so much so that one day she flees her home to take refuge in a nearby cave, where she once again falls into ecstasy. When she awakens, she discovers that she has been miraculously transported back to her bed by her guardian angel.

    Soon, a person whom she believes to be Jesus appears to her and asks her to somewhat moderate her asceticism, so as not to compromise her fragile childhood health. He informs her that a great destiny awaits her, and that she will need her strength. She flies to the church to thank Jesus and on the way meets a man with a severe limp who asks her to lend him her hand to climb the Church steps. He has hardly climbed a few steps when he stands erect and with great surprise and excitement he dashes through the whole town crying out that he is healed!...

    In 1497 at the age of ten, Magdalena is already quite beautiful, and in her purity she is very cautious to hide herself under long black dresses and skirts. Even so, she still finds herself too beautiful, and one day for penance she tries to crucify herself on the wall of her bedroom. She starts by nailing her two feet, then her left hand. Blood flows, and she faints from the atrocious pain. Her flesh tears and, falling heavily onto a chest, she breaks two ribs. Her parents call the doctor and he bandages all of her nail wounds, yet she is burning with desire to suffer terribly for the reparation of sins, and she repeatedly takes off the bandages, so as to suffer more. But this soon makes her very ill - See more at:

    On Easter Saturday, 1497, Magdalena is bedridden and seems to be dying, probaly because of infection from the wounds of her failed crucifixion. At midnight, she lets out a great scream, sits up on her bed, once more rips off her dressings, saying that she is healed. She says that it is Jesus himself, who has just appeared to her and has cured her...

    Three months before her First Holy Communion, Magdalena seemingly stops eating. The pleadings of her poor parents make no difference; she fasts right up until the Sunday of her first Holy Communion, surprisingly without losing her healthy appearance. On the day of the ceremony, at the precise moment of consecration, she lets out another cry and prostrates herself for a long time. When she exits the church, she explains that the Lord Himself put the Eucharist in her mouth, without her needing to approach the priest

    At sixteen, Magdalena contunes to astound many with her apparent extraordinary devotion and her remarkable desire to make reparation for sin. Many see her as a living saint- for who else but a saint could do such extraordinary penances? When she whips herself to bleeding point while doing penance, her wounds are miraculously healed the next day to everyones great surprise. She is healthy, and everything about her seems wholesome, except two fingers which have not grown like the others...

    There are however some "red flags" though. She is seemingly not too discrete about her spiritual life and merits; she inflicts severe mortifications upon herself, carries a heavy cross all around the convent, kisses her companions’ feet, and she seemingly stops eating completely, apparently living only on Holy Communion. All of these facts are cause for some concern, but she does seem very devout and is willing to do even the most menial and unwanted tasks, so her "extravagances" are for the most part downplayed, at least for now...

    It is at this time that another prodigious mystical gift of Sr. Magdalena appears: she can seemingly predict the future. In 1515, she announces the death of King Ferdinand for the following year, which comes to pass as foretold, and also the regency of Cardinal Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros over the kingdom of Castile. In sign of gratitude, Cardinal Jiménez has a beautiful vermilion ostensory given to her, which increases the admiration and devotion of her fellow sisters and others even more.

    On March 25, 1518, the day of the Feast of the Annunciation, Magdalena discreetly tells her Abbess some news which fills the pious woman with great confusion and perplexity--Magdalena states that on the preceding night, that is, the solemn Vigil of the Annunciation, she had conceived the child Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit. Thus Magdalene of the Cross, the shining light of the convent of Saint Elizabeth of the Angels, is pregnant....

    The nuns are all informed of the situation, and soon the convent is divided into two camps. On the one side, there are those who doubt the miraculous conception, some perhaps because they feel a hidden envy for Magdalena. Others because it is such a extraordinary thing that has never happened outside of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and there is nothing in Sacred Scripture that would point to such a second birth of Jesus into this world...

    On the other side, there are those, also numerous, who say that God works in mysterious ways, and that the Most High has been pouring all sorts of extraordinary graces on his humble servant for many years. Understandably they cannot fathom how she could have possibly stained her purity; she who is so seemingly devout and pious, and besides she never leaves the convent grounds. To that, the doubters reply that she receives her confessor alone, and also that the bars on the convent fence are so widely spaced as to allow the passage of a much more cumbersome being than the Holy Spirit...

    Seemingly even more devout in the practice of virtue, she redoubles the severity of her penances, walking barefoot on pieces of broken glass and lashing her back and shoulders with instruments of severe mortification, along with wearing a rough cilice discipline...

    Hearing the news, the Archbishop of Seville sends three experienced matron "midwives" to examine Magdalena. Having very carefully examined her, they announce that while it is indeed true that the nun is pregnant, it is also very much a fact that her virginity is completely intact and unquestionable. Prayers of thanksgiving explode in all the churches and throughout the land, and inside the convent the doubters and gossipers are reduced to utter silence and penances for their apparent doubts..

    On Christmas Eve, 1518, Magdalena confirms that she will very soon give birth. A little house at the end of the garden is prepared for her, for in a vision her guardian angel recommends that she give birth alone, so as to suffer more without any human assistance. Magdalena remains locked up in the little house for three days, during which time the whole community remains in prayer. The story that Magdalena tells when she comes out is absolutely prodigious...

    She relates that during Christmas night, at midnight, she gives birth to a magnificent baby who radiates so much light that she can see as if it were high noon. The cold air of her chamber is suddenly miraculously heated and the divine child doesn’t suffer at all from the cold. During this time, strangely Magdalena’s hair begins to grow very fast and, from crow black that it was, it changes to the brightest blond, with its long length allowing her to swaddle the infant child in it, and keep him warm in the softest of tunics. As proof of the miracle, she cuts a few of her blond curls before her hair turns back to normal. The nuns then compete for a few of the miraculous hairs to keep as precious relics. - See more at:

    Continuing with the story of the remarkable birth, Sr. Magdalene de la Cruz states that on the morning after Christmas she found herself alone, the beautiful little child gone, but with her breast chapped from suckling him, along with all of the stigmata of recent delivery still on her body. Soon the matron midwives are sent again to check on the veracity of these facts and to verify that Magdalena’s virginity has not suffered from the event. A solemn 'Te Deum' is then sung in the cathedral and donations flow in like never before...

    In spite of this proof, Sr. Magdalena is subjected to another test, this time concerning her abstinence from food; a fast which she allegedly has been carrying out for eleven years. For, it was being insinuated that certain novices were secretly bringing her food.

    So the Abbess then requests that a vigilant guard of two monks from the nearby Franciscan monastery be positioned at the entrance to Magdalena's cell with a 24 hour watch; the two monks taking turns with others in a rotating schedule. Additionally, she even orders that the window shutters of the chamber be nailed shut. After a few days, it is discovered that Magdalena has suddenly disappeared. They look for her everywhere, and soon find her in the completely opposite part of the garden, asleep near a fountain. The monks assure the abbess that they have not relaxed their surveillance for an instant. For her part, Sr. Magdalena reveals that it is Saint Francis himself who transported her to this place. Of course nobody is able to give any explanation for this prodigy, and it is concluded that this is but another miracle in the extraordinary life of Sister Magdalena of the Cross.

    It is suggested that she should become the Abbess, since as time passes the current Abbess is becoming infirm....

    With Magdalena now in charge, in the beginning life in the convent hardly changes, except Mother Magdalena seems to have a strong penchant for the practice of severe penances, and she exhorts her religious sisters to do likewise. In doing so, the new Abbess sometimes provokes very difficult scenes. And so it is that during Confession the sisters, by hypocrisy or fear of too difficult penances, now usually only accuse themselves of small faults. Hearing of this, Mother Magdalena enters into holy wrath which soon causes unspeakable fear into her sisters. She orders them to admit to more severe sins, and the poor nuns become frightened by the severity of the abbess. Some burst into tears, and there are a couple of others who astonishingly go into a sort of semi-possession, rolling on the floor and arching their bodies, before slowly returning back to normal. ..

    But from now on, Mother Magdalena orers that the candles are to remain lit, and the nuns are given all the necessary time to openly whip themselves in the performance of bodily mortification and penance, in the full light and prescence of the other nuns. ..

    Gone now are the "little penances" consisting of begging food from each table; for according to Mother Magdalena a soul with pride can submit to that easily enough. For acording to her it is severe mortification which is the salt of true penitence. The nuns are now encouraged to remain on their knees on boards garnished with rounded iron nailheads; they are encouraged to wear cilices or belts with small iron spikes pointing inwards and are encouraged to stretched out in doorways so that the others nuns can walk upon them and some wear a crown made of thorns. Yet these extreme severities seemingly do not harm the outward devotion of most of the community to their new Abbess. She is twice re-elected with the majority of the votes...

    she is still said to be fasting on a daily basis for over thirty years now. ..

    In 1543, she falls gravely ill..As time progrsses, Magdalena's illness continues to get worse. Seemingly out of character, she is now worried, and often asks the doctor to keep her informed on the evolution of her illness. One December day, she hears: “You are dying. You will not see another Christmas.” Greatly anguished, Magdalena suddenly twists on her bed and then rises up and lets out mysterious words:

    “1544!...The forty years as announced!; I am a cursed dog! Take me to Hell!” Then she falls back into her bed and begins uttering revolting blasphemies before suddenly being taken from her bed by an inisible force and held in mid-air. She then falls heavily onto the bed several times, but apparently without hurting herself...The demon first lets out a terrible cry in which the name “Balban” is recognised. Later during exorcisms it was discovered that another demon named "Patorrio" was also influencing her. --:

    Next, an Inquisitor is sent to investigate the thorny matter by the express order of Cardinal Juan Pardo de Tavera, the Primate of Spain. He is much younger than the Rev. Don Juan of Cordova and he inspires her with confidence. She reveals to him that the beautiful dark-haired young man who appeared to her at the age of five was in fact the devil. He had promised her fame and the respect of everyone, if she would consent to obey him always.

    Then we have Catherine of Siena;

    Catherine's desire to suffer was so extreme that nothing could deter her. When her mother took the virgin to the hot springs and Vignoli in order to remove Catherine from her self imposed torture, the Saint flung herself into the part of the canals where the hot sulfuric water flowed into the pool - the burn caused by the boiling waters surpassed the pain of any flagellation.

    Catherine's most frequently discussed ascetic practice is her self-starvation, her "holy anexoria." Beginning when she was not yet 16, Catherine restricted her diet to bread, uncooked vegetables and water. The next step toward complete rejection of terrestial sustenance came five years later.

    While dressing the cancerous breast sores of a woman she was tending, Catherine felt repulsed at the horrid odor of the suppuration. Determined to overcome all bodily sensations, she carefully gathered the pus into a laddle and drank it all. That night she envisioned Jesus inviting her to drink the blood flowing from his pierced side, and it was with this consolation that your stomach " no longer had need of food and no longer could digest. (Bell 25) the aged of 25 is reported that she absolutely ate nothing.

    In January of 1 380, now in Rome, while contemplating Christ' s circumcision and his precious blood there shed, Catherine decided to increase her asceticism and drink no water. She still traveled the mile to St. Peter' s each day to spendgg CARTE ITALIANE hours in prayer. On February 26, the Saint lost the use of her legs, yet one biographer claims that she still managed to arrive at St. Peter' s during Lent. On Aprii 29, 1380, starved, dehydrated, and physically ravaged, Saint Catherine died. - Furth, Megan, Stanford University, Holy Alliance: Saint Catherine of Siena and the Paradox of Flesh;

    And which fasting is called Anorexia mirabilis, which

    Anorexia mirabilis literally means "miraculous lack of appetite". It refers almost exclusively to women and girls of the Middle Ages who would starve themselves, sometimes to the point of death, in the name of God.

    Many women notoriously refused all food except for the holy Eucharist, signifying not only their devotion to God and Jesus, but also demonstrating, to them, the separation of body and spirit. That the body could exist for extended periods without nourishment gave people of the time a clear picture of how much stronger, and therefore how much more important, the spirit was. It mattered not in popular opinion that the reported periods of female fasting were impossibly long (from months to many years) and simply added to the allure of this very specifically female achievement. Angela of Foligno

    Both Angela of Foligno (1248–1309) and Catherine of Siena (1347–1380) were reportedly anorexia mirabilis sufferers.[6] They both refused food, but drank the pus from the sores of the sick. Angela of Foligno is reported to have said it was as "sweet as the Eucharist", and also to have eaten the scabs and lice from those same patients, though precious little else.[7]

    Marie of Oignies (1167–1213) reportedly lived as a hermit, wore only white, cut off pieces of her body to expunge her desire, and both she and Beatrice of Nazareth claimed that not only did the smell of meat make them vomit, but also that the slightest whiff of food would cause their throats to close up entirely.[11][12] -

    Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (1 Timothy 4:1-3)

  • Massive IDF movement reported in Israel’s north

    01/22/2015 3:23:07 PM PST · 29 of 32
    daniel1212 to SunkenCiv

    Quite a collection


    01/22/2015 12:38:21 PM PST · 27 of 27
    daniel1212 to metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
    He was not the Right-Rev. John the Baptist, D. D., or anything of the kind, but plain John the Baptist. When the people went to inquire of him if he were Elias or Jeremiah come back to life, he said he was not.

    Nor was Moody, whose English skills were lacking but which God made up in power.

    Dwight L. Moody didn't attend school beyond the fifth grade; he couldn't spell, and his grammar was awful. His manners were often brash and crude, and he never became an ordained minister. Once, before his conversion, he so outraged an Italian shoe salesmen with a prank, that the man chased him with a sharp knife, clearly intending to kill him. Yet, Dwight L. Moody was used by God to lead thousands of people to Christ. Moody's life of Christian service began with his conversion on this day, April 21, 1855.

    Dwight came to Boston as a teenager from Northfield, Massachusetts, and he felt all alone in the big city. The boy was desperate for work. An uncle took him on as a shoe salesman--on condition that he be obedient and that he attend Mt. Vernon Congregational Church. The young man had been raised in a Unitarian church which denied the full divinity of Christ and did not emphasize human need for salvation from sins. Now Dwight heard about those things. But he decided that he wanted to enjoy the pleasures of the world and wait to get saved until just before he died.

    However, the kindness of his Sunday School teacher, Edward Kimball, turned young Moody into his life-long friend, and encouraged him to persist in his church attendance and regular Bible reading. Though Moody did try to read the Bible, he couldn't understand it. Kimball later said he had never seen anyone whose mind was as spiritually dark as Dwight's.

    That changed on this day, April 21, 1855. Kimball came to the shoe store to ask Dwight to commit his life to Christ. Dwight listened closely and became a Christian that day. Immediately he began sharing his faith with others, including his own family. They wanted nothing to do with his faith. "I will always be a Unitarian," his mother said. (However, she converted shortly before her death.)

    And at first Moody wasn't allowed to become a church member. Asked what Christ had done for him, the nervous boy replied that he wasn't aware of anything particular. Leaders felt that was an unacceptable answer. -

    Edward Kimball stated: "I can truly say, and in saying it I magnify the infinite grace of God as bestowed upon him, that I have seen few persons whose minds were spiritually darker than was his when he came into my Sunday School class; and I think that the committee of the Mount Vernon Church seldom met an applicant for membership more unlikely ever to become a Christian of clear and decided views of Gospel truth, still less to fill any extended sphere of public usefulness." -

    In his small book, Why God Used D.L. Moody, (which you can read in its entirety online here), R.A. Torrey writes about “the definite enduement from on high” that empowered Moody’s preaching.

    The seventh thing that was the secret of why God used D. L. Moody was that, he had a very definite enduement with power from on High, a very clear and definite baptism with the Holy Ghost. Mr. Moody knew he had “the baptism with the Holy Ghost,” he had no doubt about it. In his early days he was a great hustler, he had a tremendous desire to do something, but he had no real power. He worked very largely in the energy of the flesh. But there were two humble Free Methodist women who used to come over [51] to his meetings in the Y. M. C. A. One was “Auntie Cook” and the other, Mrs. Snow. (I think her name was not Snow at that time.) These two women would come to Mr. Moody at the close of his meetings and say: “We are praying for you.” Finally, Mr. Moody became somewhat nettled and said to them one night: “Why are you praying for me? Why don’t you pray for the unsaved?” They replied: “We are praying that you may get the power.” Mr. Moody did not know what that meant, but he got to thinking about it, and then went to these women and said: “I wish you would tell me what you mean,” and they told him about the definite baptism with the Holy Ghost. Then he asked that he might pray with them and not they merely pray for him.

    Auntie Cook once told me of the intense fervor with which Mr. Moody prayed on that occasion. She told me in words that I scarcely dare repeat, though I have never forgotten them. And he not only prayed with them, but he also prayed alone. Not long after, one day on his way to England, he was walking up Wall Street in New York (Mr. Moody very seldom told this and I almost hesitate to tell it) and in the midst of the bustle and hurry of that city his prayer was answered; the power of God fell upon him as he walked up the street and he had to hurry off to the house of a friend and ask that he might have a room by himself, and in that room he stayed alone for hours; and the Holy Ghost came upon him filling his soul with such joy that at last he had to ask God to withhold His hand, lest he die on the spot from very joy. He went out from that place with the power of the Holy Ghost upon him, and when he got to London (partly through the prayers of a bedridden saint in Mr. Lessey’s church), the power of God wrought through him mightily in North London, and hundreds were added to the churches, and that was what led to his being invited over to the wonderful campaign that followed in later years. More

    And which is what I need, or more of Him.

    When Moody later moved to Chicago he wandered the streets to find young boys to bring to his Sunday School class. He had a passion for saving souls and determined never to let a day pass without telling someone the gospel of Jesus Christ. Often he irritated strangers on the street by asking them if they were Christians -- but his pointed questioning stirred the consciences of many. God used the converted shoe salesman to become the leading evangelist of his day.

    Estimates vary, but Dwight is thought to have led as many as a million people to confess faith in Christ. Among his many achievements on either side of the Atlantic was the founding of Moody Bible Institute. -

    This also relates to the issue of authority, for while we are told we must submit to the corporate entity, via its magisterium, which are the instruments and stewards of Scripture, and recipient of promise of God's presence and preservation, and authority, yet the church began following John, and itinerant preacher who pointed to another itinerant Preacher who ordained other itinerant preacher in dissent from the historical magisterium.

    And who was thus challenged as to His authority as it came not from them. In response the Lord invoked the authority of the prior itinerant preacher..

    And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the temple, there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders, And say unto him, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority to do these things? And Jesus answered and said unto them, I will also ask of you one question, and answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things. The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me. And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then did ye not believe him? But if we shall say, Of men; they feared the people: for all men counted John, that he was a prophet indeed. And they answered and said unto Jesus, We cannot tell. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Neither do I tell you by what authority I do these things. (Mark 11:27-33)

    But what was lacking in pedigree was made up in virtue and power.

    That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. (Acts 10:37-43)

  • Here's Everything Microsoft Showed Today [Feature Highlights of Windows 10]

    01/22/2015 6:19:09 AM PST · 54 of 84
    daniel1212 to SeekAndFind

    I have some recommendations:

    • There is yet no ability to enable tabbed browsing in File Explorer, without which multiple windows are open for multiple locations. A couple free utilities enable this but are flaky. Tabbed browsing would make it like modern Internet browsers in this regard.

    Restoring the Favorites bookmarks would also be better than “include in library” I think. I place a shortcut to Favorites (C:\Users\Daniel\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Favorites) in the Send to folder for that purpose.

    • A “copy to” and “move to” feature should also be standard in the right click menu of File Explorer. You can get a reg. Script to do that.

    • Internet Explorer overall has minimal customization ability and remains out of the running for power users, lacking even the ability to choose multiple tab rows, save multiple sessions, choose from a multiplicity of themes. See my favorite Firefox/Pale Moon extensions below.

    • Change File (Windows) Explorer which opens up to “Home,” and insists on placing One Drive and Microsoft’s default folders on top of list, and places drives on bottom of left navigation pane.

    Moreover, you cannot eliminate the left navigation pane by a simple X as in windows, and eliminating it so as to have a compact single pane means losing the view of drives, and a normal means to navigate to them.

    • Better personalization options. As with W/8, there is no way to change colors for aspects of applications and menus as enabled under XP and 9x OS versions, and W/8 and WTP has no color wheel for the little color that you can change. Except for High Contrast themes, which is more like XP capabilities, but is problematic in High Contrast themes, due to color conflicts.

    • Alt and Tab does not work right, but goes to File first unless you hold it down longer.

    • As with W/8, text from a windows sometimes shows through Task bar, with no way to adjust opacity.

    • As with W/8, WTP still shows shortcuts to folders that are not accessible or do not exist. Also, shortcuts should just show a simple arrow versus “shortcut to.”

    • Unlike under XP and 9x OS versions, W/8 and WTP cannot change the icons for different file types, though you can for normal folders.

    • Speech to text showed no discernible improvement. I think this is an app that has much potential and and could be a strong selling point. Enable better recognition and make custom commands, etc.

    •Windows default images viewer has minimal capabilities, not even able to provide a slide show.

    • You still cannot get seconds shown on the clock. T-clock 2010 does this and more.

    • There should also be a simple meter showing the CPU cycles and available RAM in the system tray.

    • Right click>Open file location no longer allows browsing to find a missing location.

    • Windows Media player automatically makes itself the default player for most formats, even those it will not play, and even though you chose to select them yourself. Then the next window would not allow deselecting.

    • Windows 10 had the same problem as Windows 8 did in awaking from sleep by itself. The solution was to go to Network connections (Windows key and X) and right click on the Network icon> Properties>Configure>Power Management and deselect “Allow this device to wake up the computer.” Also check the box “Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power” if it is not. And under Advanced, deselect anything under Wake-on.

    Just trying to improve as I thank God for such tools I can use!

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    01/21/2015 8:33:50 PM PST · 6,686 of 6,870
    daniel1212 to editor-surveyor
    There is not one word about purgatory there, so does that mean that no catholics will be gathered?

    When was it ever necessary to actually have Scriptural support for these traditions? If it was, then we would see texts being infallibly defined as supporting them, but which is almost non-existent.

    But thus having great liberty to abuse Scripture as a servant compelled to support Rome, they can resort to asserting that texts such as "enter thou into the joy of thy lord" (Mt. 25:21) means to experience purgatory, with its in the life beyond through fire and torments or 'purifying' punishments.” (INDULGENTIARUM DOCTRINA; cp. 1. 1967)

    But to die in Christ is to be with the Lord.

    And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:42-43)

    And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. (Acts 7:59)

    Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. (2 Corinthians 5:6-8)

    But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: (Philippians 1:22-23)

    Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

  • Here's Everything Microsoft Showed Today [Feature Highlights of Windows 10]

    01/21/2015 7:54:09 PM PST · 40 of 84
    daniel1212 to ErnBatavia
    I'll have to give this all a couple of months absorption and then maybe see if he recommends me swapping 8.1 to 10.

    I have been running Windows 10 technical preview 64 bit full bore (about 150 tabs, 20 documents, a multitude of apps) for months, using Classic Shell (should be standard) on it as well, and find it is hardly any different than W/8.1,with Classic Shell that is. Seems to use less ram, and is very stable.

    Praise God for such tools.

    But less interface customization than XP. See initial review FR thread here .

  • Man Files Religious Discrimination Complaint Over Bakery’s Refusal to Make Anti-Gay Cake

    01/21/2015 6:58:39 PM PST · 57 of 68
    daniel1212 to workerbee; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
    He won’t get the time of day from a judge.

    Likely not as while a bakery refusing to create a cake saying the almighty loves sodomites would be a case, liberal bias excludes that in this case.

    And while it is comparable to the Masterpiece case, for that was a request for a special creation that in art and purpose was to honor what was repulsive to the owner - and an artist should not have to create anything a customer wants - yet libs will argue this was a prank and the artwork was of a decidedly provocative nature and purpose. As if the former case was not meant to be, but then again, liberal bias is made up by conservatives.

  • Upon This Rock

    01/21/2015 1:13:40 PM PST · 221 of 227
    daniel1212 to MamaB

    And multitude others in the old Baptist hymnal. I am free from celebrating Christmas but wonder if RCs would like this song?

    Mary did you know that your baby boy
    Will one day walk on water?
    Mary did you know that your baby boy
    Will save our sons and daughters?

    Did you know that your baby boy
    Has come to make you new?
    This child that you’ve delivered
    Will soon deliver you Songwriters

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    Lyrics © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc.

  • Obama State of the Union 2015 Text Transcript and Full Video

    01/21/2015 11:24:50 AM PST · 35 of 47
    daniel1212 to Star Traveler
    t. Basic childcare for Jack and Henry costs more than their mortgage

    Gov. childcare next for Jack and Henry, with two mommy coloring books?

  • Upon This Rock

    01/21/2015 10:56:51 AM PST · 216 of 227
    daniel1212 to redleghunter
    Wonderful song I l ike the version (as i recall it) that has the 2nd stanza, Could my zeal no languor know, could my tears forever flow; these for sin could not atone, though must save, and thou alone; Rock of Ages cleft for me, let me hide myself self in thee.

    Bless the Lord. Rest in Christ as Savior, and follow Him as Lord. The 2 are inseparable if one truly does the former, and thus the effects of faith, holiness and works, justify one as being a believer.

  • Pope Pius XII on Large Catholic Families

    01/21/2015 10:48:41 AM PST · 32 of 35
    daniel1212 to Campion
    And they would be correct. Do your homework.

    I have done homework and that was not the issue, but the weight RCs place on non infallible papal and conciliar statements and teaching in support of what they believe, then dismiss it as non infallible when it disagrees with them.

    In addition is the degree of interpretation this can entail as well as their meaning, while deploring any personal interpretation of Scripture by Prots (which they interpret 2Pt. 1:20 as teaching).

    How much RC teaching is even infallible versus non infallible, and on what non-interpretive source infallibly tells you what magisterial level does each teaching fall under? Both of is which is necessary to know manner of assent is requires, and if any dissent may be allowed.

    That will take some homework.