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Posts by daniel1212

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  • The Meaning of Grace

    02/23/2017 8:33:15 PM PST · 170 of 173
    daniel1212 to ADSUM; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
    You have heard any number of people speak against the Catholic Church. Some do it casually, while others have made it their profession. Some are blunt, while others are subtle. They all paint an uninviting picture of a Church that believes in the most peculiar things. But do you really think a fourth of all Americans would be Catholic if their religion were as odd as its opponents claim? Isn’t it rather likely that you haven’t been told the whole story? To make an informed decision, you need to hear both sides. Why not write to Catholic Answers for additional information and tracts? Either your suspicions will be confirmed, or you will discover that there is more to Catholicism than you once thought.

    As a former weekly mass-going RC, raised in devout family, being an altar boy, with my 3 brothers, and with 2 uncles who were priests, and who later became manifestly born again thru a contrite repentant conversion, casting myself on the mercy of God in Christ as a damned and destitute sinner, and who yet who sought to serve God as a faithful mass-going soul (every holy day of obligation, CCD teacher, lector, plus some Catholic charismatic meetings and Bible studies) during about 6 years after conversion;

    Before finally being led into evangelicalism as a result of sincere prayer; and who since has witnessed to hundreds of RCs about Christ. by God's grave, and know the teachings better than most, and examined such in the light of Scripture;

    Then i can honestly say that in addition to realizing the profound difference btwn being religious and real conversion and regeneration, then more I read the Scriptures and also understood what the Cath church teaches from her own sources, then the more i see the clear contrast in his distinctives.

    And which no amount of censorious "Catholic answers" propaganda can justify.

    It is sad that you are deceived by such, but as a well meaning soul why not debate here on the absence of RC distinctives in the life and teachings of the NT church (Acts onward, which are interpretive of the gospels)? Isn’t it rather likely that you haven’t been told the whole story?

    BTW, you argument that "do you really think a fourth of all Americans would be Catholic if their religion were as odd as its opponents claim?" is specious, for besides being outnumbered by Prots, liberalism overall predominates where Catholicism does , while Muslims make up a far greater percentage of many countries than RCs do in the USA. Numbers of adherents do not necessarily translate into validity.

  • Let’s Start Calling Progressive Catholics What They Really are: ‘Mainline’

    02/23/2017 7:56:29 PM PST · 23 of 28
    daniel1212 to Campion; ealgeone; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; ...
    Your "church history" is a made-up myth, a story based on nothing at all.

    Meaning that the church began upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, (Mt. 4:4; 19:4-5; 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.) in dissent from the historical magisterial stewards of Divine revelation of the body “unto whom were committed the oracles of God," (Rm. 3:2) to whom pertained "the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises" (Rm. 9:4) of Divine guidance, presence and perpetuation as they believed, (Gn. 12:2,3; 17:4,7,8; Ex. 19:5; Lv. 10:11; Dt. 4:31; 17:8-13; Ps, 11:4,9; Is. 41:10, Ps. 89:33,34; Jer. 7:23) but who wrongly supposed lineage made them correct, (Mt. 3:9; Jn. 8:33) and thus the authenticity of Truth claims and oral preaching of the word must be subject to the only wholly God-inspired body of Truth, the Scriptures. (Matthew 4:4; Luke 24:44,45; Acts 17:2,11; 18:28)

    Which body, as progressively written, became the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as is abundantly evidenced.

    In the light of which, what the NT church in Scripture (as seen in Acts onward, which are interpretive of the gospels) did NOT profess/teach practice were such things as:

    Praying to created beings in Heaven, which is utterly unseen in Scripture despite prayer being so basic a practice that the Holy Spirit inspired the recording of approx. 200 prayers by believers, with none being addressed to anyone else but God, who alone is shown able to hear all such from Heaven. Only pagans prayed to invisible heavenly beings than God, as the Spirit is faithful to record.

    • Kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods. Only pagans burned incense unto the queen of heaven: Jeremiah 44:16-17), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them

    Which manner of adulation would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

    • That the act of baptism itself renders souls formally justified by their own holiness so that they would directly enter Heaven if they died at the time of the baptism, but which thus means that the same (due to the outworking of their remaining sinful nature) usually have to later endure postmortem purifying torments in order to become good enough (and atone for venial sins) to enter Heaven.

    • Nor were novenas made to obtain indulgences to escape RC purgatory, as instead by effectual faith true believers are already accepted in the Beloved, and positionally seated together with Him in Heaven, and have boldness to enter into the holy of holies, (Eph. 1:6; 2:6; Heb. 10:19; cf. Phil. 3:21) and will go to be with the Lord at death or at His return. . (Lk. 23:43 [cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7]; Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17) Note in the latter case all believers were assured that if the Lord returned, which they expected in their lifetime, so would they “ever be with the Lord.” (1Thes. 4:17) though they were still undergoing growth in grace, as was Paul, who expressed he would go to be with the Lord at death, yet was not already perfect. (Phil. 3:10f)

    And with the only suffering for believers that is manifestly taught as after this life is that of the judgment seat of Christ, which does not begin at death, but awaits the Lord's return, (1 Corinthians 4:5; 2 Timothy. 4:1,8; Revelation 11:18; Matthew 25:31-46; 1 Peter 1:7; 5:4) and is the suffering of the loss of rewards (and the Lord's displeasure) due to the manner of material one built the church with, which one is saved despite the loss of such, not because of. (1 Corinthians 3:8ff)

    • That believers were separated into two classes, one formally called "saints," the latter being the only believers who directly go to Heaven at death, contrary to Scripture.

    • Ordaining a separate class of believers distinctively titled "priests ," whose primary active function was conducting the Lord's supper and offering up "real" flesh and blood as a sacrifice for sin.

    • That the Catholic Eucharist was the paramount, supreme central practice in the life of the church, the "source and summit of the Christian life," in which "our redemption is accomplished," around which all else basically revolved. For instead it is only manifestly described in one epistle (besides "feast of charity" in Jude 1:12) and in which the Catholic Eucharist is not evident, but the church is the focus as the "one bread" and the body of Christ, purchased with the sinless shed blood of Christ, whose death, and the love behind it, the church is supposed to declare by sharing food in that communal meal. (1 Corinthians 11:17-34) More , by God's grace.

    • Ordaining a separate class of believers distinctively titled "priests ," whose primary active function was conducting the Lord's supper and offering up "real" flesh and blood as a sacrifice for sin. Neither presbuteros or episkopos mean priest, which conflation is the result of an etymological fallacy in ecclesiastical evolution, and are not even described as officiating at the Lord's supper and dispensing the elements, much less offering them as a sacrifice for sins.

    • Nor is this Catholic function taught as being a primary or unique function of the clergy, who instead are exhorted to preach the word, (2 Timothy 4:2) feeding the flock (Acts 20:28; 1 Peter 5:2) with the word of God, which is what is called spiritual "milk" and "meat" (1 Corinthians 3:2; Hebrews 5:13; 1 Peter 2:2) by which souls obtain spiritual life within themselves, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; Ephesians 1:13) and then by which they are "nourished" (1Timothy 4:6) and built up. (Acts 20:32)

    • That presbuteros (senior/elder) and episkopos (superintendent/overseer) denoted two separate classes.

    • That celibacy was a requirement for clergy. Instead both apostles (1 Corinthians 9:5) and NT clergy were normatively married with children, which evidenced his qualifications for the pastorate, (1 Timothy 3;1-7) and with celibacy being a gift that not all have, ((1 Corinthians 7:7) and it is only wrongly presumed that all or almost all clergy do.

    • Directing the church to look to Peter as the first of a line of supreme infallible popes reigning over the churches from Rome (which even Catholic scholarship provides testimony against), whom they were especially enjoined to honor and obey.

    • Choosing apostolic successors (or preparations for it) as was done for Judas (n order to maintain the original number of 12: Rv. 21:14) by casting lots, (no politics). (Acts 1:15ff; cf. Prov. 16:33; Leviticus 16:5,8,9-10,15-16,29-30) despite the vacancy left by the martyrdom of the apostle James. (Acts 12:1,2)

    • That the magisterial office possessed ensured magisterial infallibility (thereby infallibly declaring that she is infallible), enabling them to even claim to essentially "remember" an extraScriptural event which lacks even early historical testimony. , and was opposed by RC scholars themselves the world over as being apostolic tradition.

    More to see by God's grace.

  • Did Melania Trump’s Lord’s Prayer Violate Church-State Separation? (twitter 'flips out')

    02/21/2017 3:40:04 AM PST · 91 of 91
    daniel1212 to Amendment10
    And since the states have never amended the Constitution to expressly protect politically correct LGBT “rights,” the pro-LGBT activist states that have punished Christian business owners for choosing not to provide certain services to LGBT people have unthinkingly violated Section 1 of the 14th Amendment by doing so imo.

    But since SCOTUS has creatively sanctioned homosexual marriage and thus outlawed states which outlaw it, then it has interpreted the Constitution as being pro LGBT. The nation that sanctions what God calls an abomination is under condemnation and headed for damnation.

  • Bishop Schneider: Martin Luther is Not a Witness to the Gospel (on Vatican Document)

    02/19/2017 8:22:10 PM PST · 102 of 142
    daniel1212 to G Larry
    Why do you ignore the fact that we are asking Mary to Pray to Jesus on our behalf?

    Why do you ignore the fact that we are asking you to show from Scripture even one prayer by anyone except pagans addressed to anyone else in Heaven but God, despite appor. 200 prayers inspired by the Spirit in Scripture, and despite there always being plenty of created beings in Heaven to pray to, and despite prayer being a most basic essential function, while instruction on pray only directs believers to address God directly?

    The silence is deafening.

  • Uh oh, we've been "freeped"

    02/19/2017 7:43:46 AM PST · 27 of 59
    daniel1212 to Behind Liberal Lines
    A poasters says "There is a white supremacist website called the free republic spamming this poll so it is not going to be very accurate way to reflect the country's mood, just it's hyper-partisanship."

    I did not know that FR, which "does not advocate or condone racism," was a white supremacist website.

  • Bishop Schneider: Martin Luther is Not a Witness to the Gospel (on Vatican Document)

    02/18/2017 8:13:44 PM PST · 66 of 142
    daniel1212 to G Larry; ScottfromNJ
    You will note that Mary was “Assumed”, not of her own power.

    Which is another fable that is made into doctrine. As even Ratzinger stated,

    Before Mary's bodily Assumption into heaven was defined, all theological faculties in the world were consulted for their opinion. Our teachers' answer was emphatically negative... Altaner, the patrologist from Wurzburg¦had proven in a scientifically persuasive manner that the doctrine of Mary's bodily Assumption into heaven was unknown before the 5C; this doctrine, therefore, he argued, could not belong to the "apostolic tradition. And this was his conclusion, which my teachers at Munich shared.

    But if you conceive of "tradition" as the living process whereby the Holy Spirit introduces us to the fullness of truth and teaches us how to understand what previously we could still not grasp (cf. Jn 16:12-13), then subsequent "remembering" (cf. Jn 16:4, for instance) [yet "grasp" is not the same as "remembering"] can come to recognize what it has not caught sight of previously and was already handed down [in amorphous, unrecorded, unverifiable "tradition"] in the original Word," J. Ratzinger, Milestones (Ignatius, n.d.), 58-59. More by God's grace. .

  • Bishop Schneider: Martin Luther is Not a Witness to the Gospel (on Vatican Document)

    02/18/2017 8:05:40 PM PST · 63 of 142
    daniel1212 to G Larry; Zuriel; Roman_War_Criminal; ScottfromNJ; JPII Be Not Afraid
    Before Jesus performed the miracle Mary instructed the servants to “do whatever He tells you.” It is significant that these are her last words in Scripture.

    Indeed, and NOWHERE did He or any believer teach or example praying to anyone else in Heaven but God, and distinctly instructed, "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven," (Matthew 6:9) not "our Mother in Heaven.

    And by His Spirit the Lord also warns about thinjking of mortals "above what is written," (`Co. 4:6) which Catholics exceedingly do with their Mary .

    One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them

    Which manner of adulation would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

    Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

    Cathsshould only do (and I should do more of) what Mary and every believer in Scripture did in praying to Heaven, which was to pray directly to the Lord, not saintly secretaries. But they must truly become born again for that.

    Instead, Caths basically say,

    As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes... (Jeremiah 44:16-17)

  • Bishop Schneider: Martin Luther is Not a Witness to the Gospel (on Vatican Document)

    02/18/2017 7:57:50 PM PST · 62 of 142
    daniel1212 to JPII Be Not Afraid; Right Brother
    Please cite the Scripture that requires Mary to pray on our behalf.

    Wedding if Cana I wouldn't be hating on His mother.

    Mary was not asked nor required to intercede anywhere, but in Jn. 2 she did what believers are to do. Meanwhile, just how do you rationalize construing rejecting the premise that Mary is required to pray for believers to Christ to be "hating on His mother?!"

    Meanwhile, even if she is (and she may be) this simply does not translate into praying to her, and the exaltation that is part of, which is the real issue.

  • Bishop Schneider: Martin Luther is Not a Witness to the Gospel (on Vatican Document)

    02/18/2017 7:50:42 PM PST · 61 of 142
    daniel1212 to Biggirl; Old Yeller; Tao Yin
    Is there not in the scriptures that there is a “mighty cloud of witnesses” ?

    Yup, contextually referring to those examples of faith who went to Heaven, but which does not even hint that such are to be objects of prayer to Heaven. And if any book would teach that, it would bve Hebrews. Instead it clearly tells believers to look to Jesus, who is the only Heavenly intercessor btwn man and God, and is uniquely qualified to be so:

    "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us," "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." (Hebrews 12:1-2)

    "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession." "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." (Hebrews 4:14-16)

    "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus," "By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;" (Hebrews 10:19-20)

    "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them." (Hebrews 7:25)

    "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" (1 Timothy 2:5)

  • Bishop Schneider: Martin Luther is Not a Witness to the Gospel (on Vatican Document)

    02/18/2017 7:43:19 PM PST · 60 of 142
    daniel1212 to kosciusko51; G Larry; Right Brother
    Commanded to pray for each other:

    Out of which you simply cannot extrapolate support for praying to created beings in Heaven, which is nowhere recorded by the Holy Spirit, except as done by pagans, among the approx. 200 prayers in Scripture.

    And even in the OT believers had plenty of created beings to pray to in Heaven.

    Nor do we ever see communication btwn created beings from Heaven and those on earth unless they both were somehow in the same realm, while only God is shown able to hear all prayer in Heaven. And angels and elders offering up prayers as memorial before judgment happens will not help you.

    Simply put, you can only wish Scripture taught prayer to created beings in Heaven.

  • Bishop Schneider: Martin Luther is Not a Witness to the Gospel (on Vatican Document)

    02/18/2017 7:34:54 PM PST · 59 of 142
    daniel1212 to Right Brother; G Larry
    Are you unaware that the prayers to Mary are simply asking here to pray for us, as she is in the presence of Christ?

    Please cite the Scripture that requires Mary to pray on our behalf.

    Better yet, ask them to cite even one prayer out of the appox. 200 in Scripture addressed to any one else but God . Only pagans did so.

  • Bishop Schneider: Martin Luther is Not a Witness to the Gospel (on Vatican Document)

    02/18/2017 7:30:07 PM PST · 58 of 142
    daniel1212 to marshmallow; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
    When we examine in sincerity and honesty Luther and his work, he caused immense damage to the entire Christianity.

    Rather, Rome already did and does that. Before Luther even was born, we have some of the corruption of Rome which necessitated a reformation, besides the doctrinal deformation of Catholicism .

    Referring to the schism of the 14th and 15th centuries, Cardinal Ratzinger observed,

    "For nearly half a century, the Church was split into two or three obediences that excommunicated one another, so that every Catholic lived under excommunication by one pope or another, and, in the last analysis, no one could say with certainty which of the contenders had right on his side. The Church no longer offered certainty of salvation; she had become questionable in her whole objective form--the true Church, the true pledge of salvation, had to be sought outside the institution.

    "It is against this background of a profoundly shaken ecclesial consciousness that we are to understand that Luther, in the conflict between his search for salvation and the tradition of the Church, ultimately came to experience the Church, not as the guarantor, but as the adversary of salvation. (Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, head of the Sacred Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith for the Church of Rome, “Principles of Catholic Theology,” trans. by Sister Mary Frances McCarthy, S.N.D. (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1989) p.196)

    Cardinal Bellarmine:

     "Some years before the rise of the Lutheran and Calvinistic heresy, according to the testimony of those who were then alive, there was almost an entire abandonment of equity in ecclesiastical judgments; in morals, no discipline; in sacred literature, no erudition; in divine things, no reverence; religion was almost extinct. (Concio XXVIII. Opp. Vi. 296- Colon 1617, in “A History of the Articles of Religion,” by Charles Hardwick, Cp. 1, p. 10,)

    Catholic historian Paul Johnson additionally described the existing social situation among the clergy during this period leading up to the Refomation: 

    Probably as many as half the men in orders had ‘wives’ and families. Behind all the New Learning and the theological debates, clerical celibacy was, in its own way, the biggest single issue at the Reformation. It was a great social problem and, other factors being equal, it tended to tip the balance in favour of reform. As a rule, the only hope for a child of a priest was to go into the Church himself, thus unwillingly or with no great enthusiasm, taking vows which he might subsequently regret: the evil tended to perpetuate itself.” (History of Christianity, pgs 269-270)

    So, in the case of Luther, he rejected the heart of the Church, which is the Eucharist. He rejected the sacrificial essence and substance of the Eucharistic celebration, and this is the heart of the Church – the Eucharist.

    WRONG! While what the Lord's supper is to show, the sacrificial death of Christ is the heart of the church, the Biblical Lord's supper is not the Catholic Eucharist.

    And rather than being the supreme centerpiece practice of the NT church, it is only manifestly described in one epistle (besides Jude's mention of the feast of charity), and in which the Catholic Eucharist is not evident, but the church is the focus as the "one bread" and the body of Christ, purchased with the sinless shed blood of Christ, whose death, and the love behind it is what the church is supposed to declare by sharing food in that communal meal. (1Co. 11:17-34) .

    And rather than a distinct, normatively celibate class of believers distinctively titled "priests" offering up the "real" body and blood of Christ as a sacrifice for sins, and to be consumed in order to obtain spiritual life; instead no leadership is ever distinctively titled "priests" (and presbuteros or episkopos does not mean priest), and are not even described as officiating at the Lord's supper and dispensing the elements, much less offering them as a sacrifice for sins.

    Nor is this Catholic function taught as being a primary or unique function of the clergy, who instead are exhorted to preach the word, (2Tim. 4:2) feeding the flock (Acts 20:28; 1Pt. 5:2) with the word of God, which is what is called "milk" and "meat" (1Co. 3:2; Heb. 5:13; 1Pt. 2:2) by believing which souls obtain spiritual life within themselves, (Acts 10:43-47; 15;7-9; Eph. 1:13) and then they are "nourished" (1Tim. 4:6) and built up. (Acts 20:32)

  • Why Are Christian Women Watching 'Fifty Shades Darker'?

    02/18/2017 6:35:38 PM PST · 108 of 136
    daniel1212 to x_plus_one; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
    it cannot be denied that many modern day Protestant denominations are falling further into the depths of secularism.

    As if the overall fruit of Rome was better, while in contrast evangelicals (and who most strongly esteem Scripture) testify to being the more conservative major group .

  • Can we please move the deluge of Catholic-related articles out of news/activism?

    02/17/2017 7:08:42 AM PST · 105 of 211
    daniel1212 to Dr. Ursus
    I agree as a Catholic; I sometimes wonder who is posting the articles that leads to anti- Catholic bashing.

    When you are representing/promoting a church which claims it uniquely is the one true church, to whom all are to submit, then by its very nature you are being provocative, and should expect responses accordingly. To post such and then whine about "anti- Catholic bashing" is as self-righteous as Mormon doing so.

    Which is esp,. the case when the RC posters are traditional types which reject V2, and thus implicitly support Catholic theocracies and all that goes with them. We recently finished a 1,600+ thread with such.

  • Can we please move the deluge of Catholic-related articles out of news/activism?

    02/17/2017 6:59:59 AM PST · 104 of 211
    daniel1212 to Rebelbase
    I’m confused. Should this article be posted in Religion or News? Atheist middle school teacher says she feels ‘bullied’ by students saying ‘God bless you’ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/16/susan-creamer-atheist-teacher-says-she-feels-bulli/

    That, if current, should be under news as it clearly pertains to the conservative stance of this forum "dedicated to defending our GOD-GIVEN rights," our "God-given and first amendment guaranteed rights to free speech, free press, free religion,.."

    Whether teacher should say "May" God bless you, versus "God bless you" would be a matter for the RF.

  • Can we please move the deluge of Catholic-related articles out of news/activism?

    02/17/2017 6:52:53 AM PST · 101 of 211
    daniel1212 to HereInTheHeartland; lefty-lie-spy; HonorInPa; Edgar3
    “Conservative leaning people shouldn’t be tearing each other apart over religious minutia. “ I would add Christ followers to that as well. Its an affront to Him for that to happen.

    If only it was religious minutia. When you have a group of posters who hold that their particular church alone is the One True Church®, with distinctives are not even manifest in the NT church of Scripture, then we are not dealing with minor details.

    Moreover, the class of RCs that have been doing the most postings are not even the propagandists who used to post provocative articles on RC doctrine (until they were repeatedly refuted, though caucus threads are still seen), but the Catholic article we regularly see today tend to be against modern Catholicism, posted by traditional RCs which reject the modern popes, or who at least attack Francis.

    Of course, such also seem to long for a Catholic state and the days of the Inquisition with all its means.

  • Can we please move the deluge of Catholic-related articles out of news/activism?

    02/17/2017 6:31:11 AM PST · 97 of 211
    daniel1212 to Claud
    Jim--God bless him--has given us a forum here to hash those issues out--better by leaps and bounds than any forum out there. He has always stepped in when things got out of hand, but he has always allocated us the space to have our arguments.

    This is true, partly because it largely excludes liberals because it has wise rules and overall superior mods, versus such forums as http://www.christianforums.com with its snowflake mods, or Catholic Answers forums with its anti-Prot., wannabe inquisitor mods.

    And to exclude such debate is inconsistent with Christian and American values, though turning FR into a Catholic news and provocative propaganda service invites debate RCs want censored, and the secular parties complain about.

  • Can we please move the deluge of Catholic-related articles out of news/activism?

    02/17/2017 6:18:20 AM PST · 94 of 211
    daniel1212 to HereInTheHeartland; southern rock
    How about totally off FR?

    You mean a forum which officially is "For God, Family, Country, Life and Liberty!!" "pro-God, pro-life, pro-family..." "dedicated to defending our GOD-GIVEN rights," which aggressively defends our "God-given and first amendment guaranteed rights to free speech, free press, free religion,..."and opposed to such things as "government enforced atheism" should act like atheists and have no religion Forum?

    Perhaps you are on the wrong forum. Whether you like it or not, without Religion and Christianity you have no America, and and the progressive rejection of it results the progressive moral anarchy seen today.

    And in addition, the toxic threads where Protestants and Catholics bash each other are sickening. Both are conservative and seek the welfare of America, though many RCs hope for a RC monarchy, and while the contentions are sickening to you healthy debate must be allowed, for Truth is life.

    Many Founders recognized the dangers of unfettered Romanism, as well as post-Biblical theocracies as well,but clearly expressed and supported general religious faith, esp. Christian. And the nation's law reflected the beliefs of the Founder and the people, who elect those who interpret them. Therefore, when the electors forsake the word of God and choose delusions after their own lusts, and make silver and gold their ultimate security/gods, then they are seduced by and elect godless and immoral men, as seen in modern history.

    And wicked.

    Which presupposes an authorative standard for what is Good versus Evil. What is yours?

  • Can we please move the deluge of Catholic-related articles out of news/activism?

    02/17/2017 5:38:04 AM PST · 83 of 211
    daniel1212 to southern rock; HonorInPa; All
    The problem is that these religion forum posts show up under "latest posts" and "latest comments" It's a bug with FR that they need to fix. The religion posts shouldn't show up in the general population of posts.

    They also show up under Latest Articles, the number of which was what i was referring to in my above post, not just those under News, which are the minority, most being under Religion.

  • Can we please move the deluge of Catholic-related articles out of news/activism?

    02/17/2017 5:28:08 AM PST · 74 of 211
    daniel1212 to HonorInPa; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
    As those of us who oppose Catholcism on the Religion Forum understand, for devout RCs, all life is meant to revolve around the RCC, whose distinctives are not even seen in the NT church of Scripture

    Certain RCs therefore assume that your life also should revolve around their particular church and thus the news of it. Yet when they are not telling us we need to submit to the pope rather than ascertaining the validity of RC teaching by examining it in the light of Scripture, they are rejecting what the pope says based upon their judgment of what valid church teaching is.

  • The Old Testament Canon

    02/16/2017 6:22:05 AM PST · 120 of 133
    daniel1212 to boatbums

    Forgot the rest of your post, which supports what Rome did and Luther protested against, but which many prosperity preachers would like as well.

  • The Old Testament Canon

    02/16/2017 5:59:44 AM PST · 119 of 133
    daniel1212 to boatbums
    It is true that the Council of Trent dogmatically declared these 7 books (out of the 15 extra in the LXX) as canonical and equal to the other books of the universally accepted Old Testament

    And see here on the LXX, which is evidenced as neither being close to being standardized, nor as large and containing the books later copies later have.

    , but I believe their reason for doing so was NOT to settle the matter for all Christians. The real reason was to bolster their dogma of Purgatory and Indulgences because a few of these books seemed to teach it. For example, the book Tobit says: Tobit 4:11, "For alms deliver from all sin, and from death, and will not suffer the soul to go into darkness." Tobit 12:9, "For alms delivereth from death, and the same is that which purgeth away sins, and maketh to find mercy and life everlasting." Also, In II Maccabbees: 2 Maccabbees 12:43, "And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachmas of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection."

  • The Old Testament Canon

    02/16/2017 5:49:33 AM PST · 118 of 133
    daniel1212 to AC Beach Patrol
    Please, whatever. Ss. Peter and Paul went to Rome. They didn’t go to Constantinople. And they didn’t go to Wittenberg.

    Which is simply more sophistry, for it presumes that visiting a city makes the particular church in it the head of all the churches and supremely determinitive of doctrine, but which is simply nowhere taught in the record of the NT church, which at best makes Jerusalem the residence of the central leadership.

    Rather than teaching Roman Catholicism, with its people looking to Peter as the first of a line of infallible popes in Rome, Paul does not even mention Peter (the initial street-level leader among brethren) in his epistle to the Romans (don't even try the absurd excuse that he sought to protect Peter while naming over 30 people).

    Nor does this letter nor any other letter to the churches or Acts (which are interpretive of the gospels) exhort or remind the churches to submit to Peter as their supreme head, nor is such imagined particular universal submission mentioned or commended, including in the Lord's critique of the 7 churches in Asia.

    And rather than a distinct class of believers distinctively called "saints," the word is used interchangeably for believers.

    And rather than a distinct, normatively celibate class of believers distinctively titled "priests" offering up the "real" body and blood of Christ as a sacrifice for sins, and to be consumed in order to obtain spiritual life;

    instead no leadership is ever distinctively titled "priests" (and presbuteros or episkopos does not mean priest), and are not even described as officiating at the Lord's supper and dispensing the elements, much less offering them as a sacrifice for sins.

    Nor is this Catholic function taught as being a primary or unique function of the clergy, who instead are exhorted to preach the word, (2Tim. 4:2) feeding the flock (Acts 20:28; 1Pt. 5:2) with the word of God, which is what is called "milk" and "meat" (1Co. 3:2; Heb. 5:13; 1Pt. 2:2) by believing which souls obtain spiritual life within themselves, (Acts 10:43-47; 15;7-9; Eph. 1:13) and then they are "nourished" (1Tim. 4:6) and built up. (Acts 20:32)

    Moreover, both apostles (1Co. 9:5) and NT clergy were normatively married with children, which evidenced his qualifications for the pastorate,(1Tim. 3;1-7) and with celibacy being a gift that not all have, (1Co. 7:7) and it is only wrongly presumed that all or almost all clergy do.

    Nor is the Lord's supper manifest as being the central supreme practice of the NT church, as instead it is only manifestly described in one epistle (besides "feast of charity" in Jude 1:12) and in which the Catholic Eucharist is not evident, but the church is the focus as the "one bread" and the body of Christ, purchased with the sinless shed blood of Christ, whose death, and the love behind it, the church is supposed to declare by sharing food in that communal meal. (1Co. 11:17-34) . More , by God's grace.

    Nor (among approx. 200 prayers in Scripture) is any believer ever described as praying to created beings in Heaven, which only pagans did, and is contrary to the instructions given on prayer to Heaven, God's throne,

    Nor is salvation taught as being attained by the act of sprinkling making one good actually enough to be with God, thus (since one acts out his remaining sinful nature afterward) usually having to endure postmortem "purifying torments" in RC "Purgatory " in order to (atone for sins and) actually become good enough to be with God.

    Nor were novenas made to obtain indulgences to escape RC purgatory, as instead by effectual faith true believers are already accepted in the Beloved, and positionally seated together with Him in Heaven, and have boldness to enter into the holy of holies, (Eph. 1:6; 2:6; Heb. 10:19; cf. Phil. 3:21) and will go to be with the Lord at death or at His return. (Lk. 23:43 [cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7]; Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 ["we"]; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17)

    And with the only suffering manifestly taught after this life is that of the judgment seat of Christ, (1Co. 3:8) which does not begin at death, but awaits the Lord's return, (1Cor. 4:5; 2Tim. 4:1,8; Rev.11:18; Mt. 25:31-46; 1Pt. 1:7; 5:4) and is the suffering of the loss of rewards due to the manner of material one built the church with, which one is saved despite the loss of such, not because of it.

    Nor did the NT church profess belief in ensured magisterial infallibility, which is unseen and unnecessary in Scripture, but which presumptuous self-proclaimed premise is the real basis for RC assurance that her claims are true.

  • The Old Testament Canon

    02/15/2017 7:58:44 PM PST · 81 of 133
    daniel1212 to AC Beach Patrol
    This is an interesting issue and I guess we Catholics should take these issues like canon of Scripture more seriously. After all, the Bible is our book.

    Hardly since the writers were NOT Roman Catholic, since her distinctives are manifestly not seen in the NT church, and even contrary to it.

  • The Old Testament Canon

    02/15/2017 7:55:14 PM PST · 80 of 133
    daniel1212 to Gamecock
    Since the author is drawing comparisons between our faith and the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, by the rules of the RF, I can’t fence today’s message as a devotional/caucus.

    Meaning you should get more than the usual 5 or so responses that caucus threads typically get!

  • The Old Testament Canon

    02/15/2017 7:49:33 PM PST · 79 of 133
    daniel1212 to AC Beach Patrol
    The only logical origin of truly canonical works is that they emerge from a community and that community determines the canon.

    Correct, as with establishing who the real men of God are (sometimes even in dissent from leadership), and which establishment is essentially due to the unique Divine qualities and attestation of both men and writings of God.

    However, this does not and need not mean that the discerners of what is of God possesses ensured infallibility as a people or an office.

    The Church existed prior to books of the Bible even being written and this same Church determined which books should be in the canon of scripture

    Which is contradictory nonsense. Most of what we call Scripture was already written, and laity ascertained both men and writings of God as being so, before there was a a self-proclaimed church which presumed she was essential for this. And the real NT church abundantly invoked OT texts as authoritative support for its Truth claims, and established itself upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power. Thanks be to God. As it must today, versus merely declaring itself as being of the living God.

  • The Old Testament Canon

    02/15/2017 7:15:13 PM PST · 78 of 133
    daniel1212 to Hieronymus
    but does one also accept the Song of Songs, the book of Wisdom etc.?

    Out of the multitudes of OT texts in the NT , Paul at least (re. Wisdom lit.) invokes Proverbs 25:21, "If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink," for "Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head." (Romans 12:20)

    And Job 5:13 "He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong," for For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness." (1 Corinthians 3:19)

    And the writer of Hebrews quotes Proverbs 3:11-12, "My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord; neither be weary of his correction:" "For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth," for "And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:" "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth." (Hebrews 12:5-6)

    And Peter quotes Proverbs 26:11, "As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly," for, "But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." (2 Peter 2:22)

  • The Old Testament Canon

    02/15/2017 7:06:34 PM PST · 77 of 133
    daniel1212 to Wyrd bið ful aræd; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; ...
    The Bible that Jesus Himself read from contained the 7 books in question. Jesus quoted from those books many times (I’m on a phone so I can’t format easily enough to post the list, if you care google it.) The canon as it was known in the 4th century contained those 7 books. These are facts. Take ‘em or leave ‘em.

    Show me where the canon that Jesus quoted as the word of God contained all these 7 books as Scripture,

    It is unlikely that those who sat in the seat of Moses held the apocryphal texts as the authorative word of God, and if not, we can be sure that if the Lord invoked them as that in refuting the devil and religious leaders, as He did with texts from the Hebrew canon, then those who sat in the seat of Moses would have made that an issue.

    And show us where "Jesus quoted (not merely expressed similar teachings, or things which are found in the Hebrew canon) from those books many times" as the authorative word of God, as He often did from the Hebrew canon, and where merely selectively quoting or referencing sources means that they are Scripture.

    Lists such as this http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=351097&Pg=&Pgnu=&recnu= will not do it .

    That the NT may been seen alluding or referring certain things in some apocryphal material is not the issue, but there authorative status.

  • Woman suing Popeyes says flesh-eating screwworms ate her ‘from the inside out’

    02/15/2017 4:53:51 PM PST · 54 of 55
    daniel1212 to super7man
    As far as the “worms” laying eggs in the digestive tract, doesn’t happen. It is the fly that lays the eggs.

    It looks like you did more research than she did. But then there is

    "Flesh-Eating Worms Invade Woman's Ear." The scratching sound that Rochelle Harris kept hearing was all in her head — literally.

    After the British tourist returned from a vacation in Peru earlier this year, she started experiencing headaches, shooting pains down the side of her face and an unexplained discharge from one ear.

    Those symptoms, plus the bizarre scratching sounds she continued hearing, prompted Harris to visit a doctor soon after her return to England.

    Though doctors at first dismissed the symptoms as nothing more than an ear infection, specialists soon made a startling discovery: Harris' ear was filled with flesh-eating worms, according to the Daily Mail. The worms that Harris, 27, was hosting were the larvae of the New World screwworm fly (Cochliomyia hominivorax). http://www.livescience.com/38204-flesh-eating-worms-maggot-therapy-screwworm-fly.html

  • Dan Rather: "Trump's Russia Scandal Could Be Bigger Than Watergate"

    02/15/2017 4:44:20 PM PST · 90 of 107
    daniel1212 to Zakeet

    What Does It Mean to Have ‘Repeated Contacts’ With Russian Intelligence?

    A Russian investigative journalist parses a murky concept.

    Tuesday evening, The New York Times reported that associates of then-candidate Donald Trump, including within his presidential campaign, had had “repeated” contact with Russian intelligence officials, and that American intelligence and law-enforcement officials had records of intercepted communications to prove it. The news came a day after Michael Flynn resigned as Trump’s national security adviser after having misled the vice president about the substance of his own conversations with the Russian ambassador prior to Trump’s inauguration.

    The nature of the contacts the Times disclosed Tuesday were murky; the four current and former officials who described them to the paper declined to specify what, exactly, those contacts entailed; how many people were involved and who all of them were; and what their aims might have been. American intelligence had been investigating the possibility of collusion between Trump aides and Russian intelligence, but the Times report noted that the officials interviewed had “seen no evidence of such cooperation.”
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    Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort

    Did Trump Aides Speak With Russian Intelligence Before the Election?

    The only individual officials identified by name to the Times as being on the intercepted calls was Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, who denied having “knowingly spoken to Russian intelligence officers,” maintaining that “it’s not like these people wear badges that say, ‘I’m a Russian intelligence officer.’”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/what-does-it-mean-to-have-repeated-contacts-with-russian-intelligence/516843/

  • Pleased to EAT you: World map of man-eaters reveals where cannibalism STILL exists today

    02/14/2017 3:32:20 PM PST · 23 of 32
    daniel1212 to marktwain; onedoug; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; ...
    Cannabalism was widespread before Christianity and Western Civilization stopped most of it. The Aztecs and other tribes in Mexico practiced cannabalism. The best (and only) first hand account is related in The Conquest of Mexico by Bernal Diaz. It is the best history book that I have read.

    Endocannibalism

    Supposing one gains spiritual life by literally eating human flesh and blood is akin to pagan endocannibalism, and is not Scriptural.

    Alpers and Lindenbaum’s research conclusively demonstrated that kuru [neurological disorder] spread easily and rapidly in the Fore people due to their endocannibalistic funeral practices, in which relatives consumed the bodies of the deceased to return the “life force” of the deceased to the hamlet, a Fore societal subunit. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_%...9#Transmission

    The controversial "Golden Bough" by Sir James George Frazer (1854–1941) reports (regardless of some of his conclusions):

    The custom of eating bread sacramentally as the body of a god was practised by the Aztecs before the discovery and conquest of Mexico by the Spaniards."

    The May ceremony is thus described by the historian Acosta: “The Mexicans in the month of May made their principal feast to their god Vitzilipuztli, and two days before this feast, the virgins whereof I have spoken (the which were shut up and secluded in the same temple and were as it were religious women) did mingle a quantity of the seed of beets with roasted maize, and then they did mould it with honey, making an idol...all the virgins came out of their convent, bringing pieces of paste compounded of beets and roasted maize, which was of the same paste whereof their idol was made and compounded, and they were of the fashion of great bones. They delivered them to the young men, who carried them up and laid them at the idol’s feet, wherewith they filled the whole place that it could receive no more. They called these morsels of paste the flesh and bones of Vitzilipuztli.

    ...then putting themselves in order about those morsels and pieces of paste, they used certain ceremonies with singing and dancing. By means whereof they were blessed and consecrated for the flesh and bones of this idol. This ceremony and blessing (whereby they were taken for the flesh and bones of the idol) being ended, they honoured those pieces in the same sort as their god....then putting themselves in order about those morsels and pieces of paste, they used certain ceremonies with singing and dancing. By means whereof they were blessed and consecrated for the flesh and bones of this idol. This ceremony and blessing (whereby they were taken for the flesh and bones of the idol) being ended, they honoured those pieces in the same sort as their god...

    And this should be eaten at the point of day, and they should drink no water nor any other thing till after noon: they held it for an ill sign, yea, for sacrilege to do the contrary:...and then they gave them to the people in manner of a communion, beginning with the greater, and continuing unto the rest, both men, women, and little children, who received it with such tears, fear, and reverence as it was an admirable thing, saying that they did eat the flesh and bones of God, where-with they were grieved. Such as had any sick folks demanded thereof for them, and carried it with great reverence and veneration.”

    ...They believed that by consecrating bread their priests could turn it into the very body of their god, so that all who thereupon partook of the consecrated bread entered into a mystic communion with the deity by receiving a portion of his divine substance into themselves.

    The doctrine of transubstantiation, or the magical conversion of bread into flesh, was also familiar to the Aryans of ancient India long before the spread and even the rise of Christianity. The Brahmans taught that the rice-cakes offered in sacrifice were substitutes for human beings, and that they were actually converted into the real bodies of men by the manipulation of the priest.

    ...At the festival of the winter solstice in December the Aztecs killed their god Huitzilopochtli in effigy first and ate him afterwards. - http://www.bartleby.com/196/121.html

    There are some differences, but these have more in common with the Catholic idea of the Eucharist than anything seen in Scripture interpretive of the words of the last supper. More by God's grace.

  • No Bibles in Iowa: The Curious Case of Cedar Rapids

    02/13/2017 7:33:33 PM PST · 60 of 87
    daniel1212 to batterycommander
    They don’t read the Bible,

    Well, Barna reported ,

    Bible reading was most likely among those who attend a Pentecostal church (75%) and least likely among those who frequent the Catholic (23%), Episcopal (30%) and Lutheran (32%) churches. 2000

    they have selected, Vatican approved portions of It read to them. There are sections of the Bible that would never be read to the people.

    According to the research by a RC cited before (Todd Easton: http://forums.catholic.com/showpost.php?p=1063633&postcount=9) , Obadiah is never read during the 3-year cycle, even if one includes weekday masses, while Judges, Ruth, Esther, Song of Songs, Lamentations, Nahum, and Haggai are utterly missing in the Sunday cycle, and only 1% of Leviticus, Numbers, 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles, and Daniel are read.

    But i should read more than i do myself.

  • No Bibles in Iowa: The Curious Case of Cedar Rapids

    02/13/2017 7:02:56 PM PST · 59 of 87
    daniel1212 to cloudmountain
    According to any statistics class, “surveys” are the VERY least reliable source of information.

    Wrong: I am sure any statistics class can tell you that not all surveys are the same and warrant the same degree of credulity, but multiple surveys of how people feel which consistently conflate with each other, and with actual evidence are a whole lot more reliable sources of accurate information than bare assertions - which is all you have.

    Trying to prove that those whom Rome counts and treats as members in life and in death are overall strongly (if that) conservative is what you cannot show.

  • No Bibles in Iowa: The Curious Case of Cedar Rapids

    02/13/2017 7:02:48 PM PST · 58 of 87
    daniel1212 to cloudmountain
    Actually RCs have a great deal of liberty to interpret the Bible within the wide parameters of RC teaching, and are more liberal in their understanding of it than evangelicals. Look at even some of the notes in the approved NAB plus much of the study helps in study versions.

    I cordially disagree.

    The former has been well evidenced here, and as there is no official complete RC commentary on all the Bible with all its verses, then as RC apologist Jimmy Akin at Catholic Answers stated,

    "The liberty of the Scripture interpreter remains extensive. Taking due consideration of the factors that influence proper exegesis, the Catholic Bible interpreter has the liberty to adopt any interpretation of a passage that is not excluded with certainty by other passages of Scripture, by the judgment of the magisterium, by the Church Fathers, or by the analogy of faith. That is a great deal of liberty, as only a few interpretations will be excluded with certainty by any of the four factors circumscribing the interpreter’s liberty”

    In addition, your bare denial means you even disagree with the documented facts of liberal notes and study helps that have been taught for decades in Romes NAB.

  • No Bibles in Iowa: The Curious Case of Cedar Rapids

    02/12/2017 9:27:24 PM PST · 29 of 87
    daniel1212 to cloudmountain
    Also, non-Catholics are allowed to interpret the Word of God as they like. Not so with Catholics. The Word of God was meant to be interpreted only one way.

    Actually RCs have a great deal of liberty to interpret the Bible within the wide parameters of RC teaching, and are more liberal in their understanding of it than evangelicals. Look at even some of the notes in the approved NAB plus much of the study helps in study versions.

  • No Bibles in Iowa: The Curious Case of Cedar Rapids

    02/12/2017 9:22:04 PM PST · 28 of 87
    daniel1212 to cloudmountain; batterycommander; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; ...
    Lol. I guess you've questioned ALL Catholics on the planet, all 1.2 billion of us. Gee, you must have gathered LOTS of information.

    The statement was that Catholics don’t read the Bible, which is typically and comparatively true based on various surveys , as regards much personal reading.

    However, at daily Mass we have FIVE Biblical readings. [Sundays there always a "second reading" so there are SIX Biblical readings on Sundays.]:

    And which are simply repeated every 3 years, and an industrious RC on a RC forum reports "by my calculations, the 3-year Sunday readings cover about 5%-10% of the Old Testament and about 42% of the New Testament." "I was able to come up with a more precise estimate of the Old Testament covered in the 3-year Sunday readings based on the number of verses read: 5%. Source and more .

  • Ken Ham — Guardian of True Science

    02/12/2017 8:23:12 PM PST · 38 of 76
    daniel1212 to SubMareener
    Duh! From everlasting to everlasting thou art God means God is eternal, that is, outside of time. His creation is finite in both and time. It has a beginning and an end. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are how the infinite God manifests inside His creation.

    You are defining everlasting to fit your hypothesis. God simply states that He existed before there was any creation, and that He is the Creator, who alone is worthy of faith and worship.

    The idea that "In the beginning [Ein Sof] created Elohim" is unScriptural esoteric error.

  • Ken Ham — Guardian of True Science

    02/12/2017 7:49:18 PM PST · 36 of 76
    daniel1212 to TexasGator
    Intelligent Design does not require God. Humans can engineer via Intelligent Design.

    Such a vast complex designed creation requires such Intelligence and powers as are only attributed to deity.

  • Ken Ham — Guardian of True Science

    02/12/2017 7:43:40 PM PST · 35 of 76
    daniel1212 to SubMareener; Poison Pill; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; ...
    The first verse in the Bible can be translated as: “In the beginning [Ein Sof] created Elohim, the heavens and the earth.”

    Which means that you still have a creator with no beginning, while this is contrary to such texts as,

    Psalms 90:2: Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

  • Franken Calls for ‘Independent Investigation’ Into Trump’s ‘Putin Crush’

    02/12/2017 12:42:49 PM PST · 46 of 51
    daniel1212 to markomalley

    Franken will likely run for Pres. in 2020, and many “progressives” would will vote for him and even nominate him, though i am sure his running mate would not be Jill Stein.

  • New edition of the Bible announced [Satire]

    02/12/2017 12:38:56 PM PST · 14 of 22
    daniel1212 to BarbM; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
    This am, my hippie priest took the easy way out and didn't read the whole gospel. He especially missed: Anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. 1. He didn't want to piss off the parishioners OR 2. He's becoming “evangelical” where you pick and choose which lines of the Word you want to study.

    Actually, as a former RC and lector, I know that Rome herself made many portions of readings optional, and reads from an already significantly liberal translation (and its notes ).

    And also effectively adds to the NT church what was not there, and fosters the Catholicism you see today which overall picks and chooses which lines of the Word they want to obey (if they even read it) far more than evangelicals.

  • Catholics and Lutherans Celebrate Reformation with New Bible Translations

    02/12/2017 5:21:09 AM PST · 32 of 33
    daniel1212 to Elsie
    Why does it take a Prot to show the FACTS recorded about the 7 churches? Couldn’t an RCC member have pointed these things out?

    Since none of these churches are in Rome, nor indicate any allegiance to it or to a pope, or devotion to the Eucharist or Mary - the 3 main things which basically unify R. Catholicism - and instead the 7 churches in Asia testify to a diversity that is quite contrary to Catholicism, and may have their candlestick removed, then they are of little to no worth to RCs whose primary directive is to promote the preeminence of the unScriptural church of Rome.

  • Catholics and Lutherans Celebrate Reformation with New Bible Translations

    02/11/2017 3:51:40 PM PST · 24 of 33
    daniel1212 to Elsie
    What about them 7 Catholic churches mentioned by the angel to John in the first 3 chapters of Revelation? They are DOCUMENTED as 'teaching error'.

    Their disparity, and utter absence of any mention of a pope, Mary and the Eucharist is contrary to R Catholicism, but these 7 churches of Rv. 2+3 were not all said to be teaching doctrinal error.

    The sin of Ephesus was one of the heart, leaving their first love while being diligent in deeds. The church in Smyrna saw no reproofs, only commendations, while the church in Pergamos was guilty of having some that hold the doctrine of Balaam, as well as the doctrine of the Nicolaitans.

    The industrious church in Thyatira had this against them, that they suffered that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce believers to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols, seemingly part of "the depths of Satan."

    The external showy church in Sardis had this against them, that they had a name that they lived but were overall dead, falling short in their works/fruit before God, and only had a few even in Sardis which had not defiled their garments.

    The afflicted but preserving church in Philadelphia only saw commendations and exhortations, in stark contrast to the lukewarm church of the Laodiceans , which thought of themselves as being in need of nothing, and knew not that they were wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.

    But even the last was not guilty of all the inventions of Catholicism, as well as its overall liberalism .

  • WHEN WAS REVELATION WRITTEN?

    02/10/2017 7:38:17 PM PST · 83 of 94
    daniel1212 to redleghunter

    At least you got it!

  • Catholics and Lutherans Celebrate Reformation with New Bible Translations

    02/10/2017 7:37:06 PM PST · 5 of 33
    daniel1212 to richardtavor; Bishop_Malachi; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; ...
    I am not a Catholic, but I have wondered what the effect would be for most if the Pope somehow sanctioned homosexuality male and female), women Priests, Transexual Priests etc? In other words, I have heard he is the most liberal, progressive Pope that the Church has had. What would the conservative Catholics do in that case, in your opinion?

    That depends whether he formally taught this or not, and if not, conservative Catholics would do the same thing they do already: either pick and choose what they see as valid teaching based upon their judgment, and effectively or formally be part of a sect of "faithful RCs," or be part of an outright schism, all the while criticizing Prots who alaso ascertain what valid teaching is (in the light of Scripture), and separate from Catholicism to be part of conservative evangelicalism.

    If the pope formally taught error, then it seems they would need his approval to depose him, but as with many things, this is an issue of Catholic debate.

  • Is the “God of Surprises” in favor of ordaining women?

    02/10/2017 7:24:33 PM PST · 16 of 29
    daniel1212 to ebb tide; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...

    God is not in favor of ordaining women as pastors nor ordaining men as a separate class of believers distinctively called “priests” who (normally) are celibate, offer up the “real” flesh and blood of Christ as a sacrifice for sins, under the appearance of bread and wine that actually do not exist, and pray to created beings in Heaven. Both are foreign to the NT church.

  • WHEN WAS REVELATION WRITTEN?

    02/10/2017 10:29:51 AM PST · 79 of 94
    daniel1212 to HarleyD
    I think it's dangerous to believe that we totally understand prophetic scripture.As for Revelation, Daniel, etc..

    My parents, among others I have known, sometimes had a hard time understanding Daniel...

  • WHEN WAS REVELATION WRITTEN?

    02/09/2017 8:23:39 PM PST · 30 of 94
    daniel1212 to Arlis; grumpa; Lee N. Field; Wallace T.; odawg; Poison Pill; kingpins10; Craftmore; LukeL; ...
    NO VIEW can explain all things. I knew Hal Lindsay in the 60’s and he was sure he had it all figured out then. But history didn’t play his way then. The person who insists that he/she has it all together - I run from..... I do know this: Jesus warned often, “Watch & pray - we know not what hour He will come.” Revelation ends with “Come, Lord Jesus, Come!” If those are in our heart - we’ll be ok. Spiritually. Physically? Only God knows.....

    A wise view, but here you are dealing with a blogger who not only teaches that teaches the resurrection is past already (cf. 2 Timothy 2:17-18) ) and (i presume) that most all (or all) in the book of Revelation has been fulfilled, thus rendering the devil to be bound that he should deceive the nations no more,

    but who warns about "the Cursed" " Grave Error of the Trinity," which "Destroys the Faith of Christ," which "means that we cannot become like the Son of God" (sinless in this life), even linking it to Revelation 13; and (not unsurprisingly) argues that Attending Church is Unbiblical; - http://hubpages.com/@planksandnails

    Not all he says on his blog is wrong, but with his mixture of truth and error he is one you should be warned of.

  • Winter Storm Niko to Become a Northeast Snowstorm [as if you didn't know:)]

    02/09/2017 7:00:03 PM PST · 54 of 59
    daniel1212 to KC Burke
    I’m just gonna stay down here and shovel sunshine.

    😎

  • Winter Storm Niko to Become a Northeast Snowstorm [as if you didn't know:)]

    02/09/2017 4:49:41 PM PST · 52 of 59
    daniel1212 to KC Burke
    Same for me. It’s going to break 80 here today in the Phoenix valley.

    80'' of snow is a lot!:non: 

    Here are the latest snowfall totals from the National Weather Service in Boston, Rob Macedo, the SKYWARN Coordinator for the National Weather Service in Taunton, and WBZ-TV Weather Watchers.


    Ludlow 18.0″
    Monson 17.3″
    Granby 17.2″
    Westfield 17.0″
    Athol 16.5″
    Hubbardston 16.1″
    Springfield 16.0″
    Ashburnham 14.5″
    Chelsea 14.5″
    Fitchburg 14.5″
    North Adams 14.0″
    Taunton 13.5″
    Pepperell 13.0″
    Sterlin 13.0″
    Dartmouth 12.8″
    Gardner 12.5″
    Hingham 12.0″
    Rockland 12.0″
    South Boston 12.0″
    Middleboro 11.2″
    Acushnet 11.0″
    Fairhaven 11.0″
    Lynn 11.0″
    New Bedford 11.0″
    Peabody 11.0″
    Pembroke 11.0″
    Taunton 11.0″
    Lancaster 10.5″
    Oxford 10.5″
    Worcester 10.5″ http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/02/09/snow-totals-massachusetts-noreaster-wbz-weather-feburary-9/