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Reformed Apologetics Thoughts of Francis Turretin Blog ^ | April 21, 2009 | Francis Turretin Fan

[Iscool]

From what I can tell most Catholics simply accept the re-written history the Catholic Church puts out. We see that true documented history is posted here and it’s simply ignored by Catholics.

Amazing isn't it??? Regardless of what scripture is posted, even when it is things like 'it is written' or 'have you not read', they say, 'so what'...They have no need of scripture nor real history...

It is these people whom I believe have never sought Jesus, but only a visible religion that they can claim to be a part of...

[CynicalBear]

>>It is these people whom I believe have never sought Jesus, but only a visible religion that they can claim to be a part of...<<

Many surely do submit their "will and intellect" as required by the Catholic Catechism.

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

God Bless you.

[BlackElk]

The Jesuit order educated me ion one of its preparatory schools. With the election of Pedro Arrupe as Superior General, the leftist rot began to set in on the Jebbies in the mid-1960s. Francis seems to have gotten into the Arrupe mindset. When JP II became pope he noticed that Arrupe had bee3n attending cocktail parties at the Kremlin and he deposed Arrupe on the gro8nds of age and health and relaced Arrupe by papal fiat with Paolo Dezza (sp.?) who was a genuine Catholic but in his eighties and blind. He served three years until the election of Hans Pieter Kolvenbach, who took an attitude that JP II would die at some point and the heathen majority of Jesuits could once more go out to play. The Jesuits are still maintaining a relatively low profile. However many of them re dedicated to advancing the "rights" of LGBTQs and other members of the weirdo American community and many are in love with Liberation Theology with images of Jesus Christ with an AK47 fighting for Marxism in service to the long dead Che Guevara.

In short, most Jesuits are not even vaguely Catholic.

[BlackElk]

Then let us hear your denunciation of the SSPX schism and its poisonous leaders. Pay particular attention to the mouth of De Mallerais in his attacks on Saint John Paul II. And the persistent disobedience and insolence of dead excommunicated Marcel and “Archbishop” Fellay (where is his “archdiocese”).

[ebb tide]

Who’s “us”? Your little boys’ club?

As far as perceived “attacks” on your superhero, JP II: how do you excuse his invocation of St. John the Baptist to protect Islam?

May I assume you are already know that St. John the Baptist died by decapitation, which is now quite a popular pastime that the mohammedans practice on Christians?

And as far as your repeated false accusations of me being SSPX, I’ll repeat, once again: I assist at FSSP masses only. And I’m beginning to believe you are faking senility to continue your slander.

But from what little knowledge of the SSPX I have, I never knew Fellay had been promoted to “archbishop”. Or are you again confused?

Finally, if you are truly a Catholic, then let us hear you proclaim your solid belief in the infallible Catholic dogma of Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus to your protestant buddies on this forum.

Put up or shut up.

[ebb tide]

And the persistent disobedience and insolence of dead excommunicated Marcel

I just noticed the above idiotic statement and I found it quite amusing.

How can a deceased person be persistent in anything?

[BlackElk]

You are right as to the schismatic Fellay's title. Fellay is known as Bishop Fellay. Of course, he has no authority to hear confessions or to witness marriages on behalf of the Roman Catholic Church unless such authority is granted by the bishop of the diocese where such matters take place. He has taken it upon himself as the successor to dead excommunicated Marcel to "excommunicate" Williamson the Holocaust denier from the ranks of SSPX. So now Williamson presides over a schism from the SSPX schism.

The original FSSP priests were once SSPX but came home to Rome under Saint John Paul II. Marcel died defiant and excommunicated. Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus means very bad news for Marcel since he died "outside the Church," having been excommunicated. Now, other actual Christians of other denominations are not barred from Heaven in that they are separated brethren but members of the broader Church of Jesus Christ. See Vatican II, a council that was not a pleasure but one whose decrees were approved by the pope of the time whether you like it or not.

[BlackElk]

Marcel persisted unto death and he would therefore, by the standard of Extra Ecclesiam,. Nulla Salus, he is excluded from the Church Triumphant, dead and therefore excluded from the Church Militant, EENS and therefore excluded from the Church Suffering. Therefore Marcel also persists in eternal suffering while Saint John Paul II enjoys the Beatific Vision again whether you like it or not. Roma locuta, causa finita! The flames lick Marcel's soul in eternal torment, he undoubtedly knows better now than he did in life. Too late!

Do you think insulting terminology like "idiotic statement" makes your argument more persuasive or do you just lack rational arguments and spend your life enraged that others do not share your curiously constructed errors?