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Reformed Apologetics Thoughts of Francis Turretin Blog ^ | April 21, 2009 | Francis Turretin Fan

Posted on 04/22/2015 2:34:02 PM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: metmom

And likewise to you. God bless!


481 posted on 04/24/2015 9:48:17 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: ebb tide; Iscool
It's shocking how totally ignorant some people are about Martin Luther and their need to bash, insult, smear, defame, vilify and villainize every Christian who isn't a Roman Catholic by invoking him is easily demonstrated!

Tell me, EB, has anyone here suggested Luther is the Pope we follow? Has anyone encouraged he be prayed to for intercession? More than likely, Luther is in heaven already while, no doubt, some of the very Saints Catholics ARE encouraged to emulate and pray to are not.

Should you ever actually want to educate yourself about the man and what he REALLY said - in context - and how he led a very moral and honorable life, here's a good place to start:

http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2005/12/martin-luther-topical-master-index-for.html

Of course, if the truth is really not your aim here, then I doubt you will avail yourself of this resource, preferring to falsely use the 500 years-dead man of God to condemn those who oppose you. Just don't imagine no one is wise to the tactic!

482 posted on 04/24/2015 9:52:12 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: LadyDoc; Iscool; RnMomof7
they were part of the Greek Jewish bible that was accepted by most of the Christian and Jewish world at the time of Christ. Paul quoted from this translation when he preached to the Gentiles. Here is a Protestant discussion of the controversy: link

They were part of the Septuagint, which was a GREEK translation of the Old Testament books IN ADDITION TO fifteen other books that were not in the canon of the Old Testament. Just because the GREEK OT translation was quoted some of the time, neither Paul nor any other New Testament writer quotes directly from any of the Apocryphal books. Here's a better discussion of the topic: LINK

Of course, this thread is posted by someone who posts daily thread about the "evil catholics deliberately changed everything because...well, because they were evil and only those of us in our small tiny church know the TRUTH.

Except this thread says nothing of the kind! Cannot non-Catholics have RF threads that explain why we DON'T accept some of the Catholic doctrines?

So the one billion Catholics and the half a billion Orthodox Christians are all going to hell, but hey her tiny church will laugh at us from heaven for being evil.

Again, stop with the histrionics already! Do you not see how ridiculous that kind of talk is?

483 posted on 04/24/2015 10:04:28 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: caww
When we take the issues dividing us seriously, as I am sure that we do, a decent respect for one another ought to be the norm. That can lead to enlightening exchanges. It is difficult to persuade or be persuaded when we have to first wade through a crossfire of anathemas and insults before getting to the heart of the argument. Or worse, when there are only insults and no actual argument.

When I was in coma from Thanksgiving until nearly Christmas and most of the time expected to die, I was the beneficiary of the prayers of many here, Catholics as well as Reformed Christians, leading to the mercy of God that allows me to converse with others here and now. I think it would be an abuse of God's mercy to use the opportunity He has given me to insult my fellow Christians of other faiths.

I am a Roman Catholic and I shall die as a Roman Catholic. When I practiced law, I represented many wonderful pro-lifers arrested in Operation Rescue type incidents. No distinction was ever made between Catholics and Reformed Christians. Each was represented to the courts, according to his or her respective beliefs. There was a great opportunity for each to witness as to his or her faith.

I only wish that the Rescuers' spirit of Christian comeraderie could spread to Free Republic so that we might seek to emulate Jesus Christ in His love for all of us, Catholic and Reformed. If my chosen language to describe people is different from what anyone might prefer, I would plead that my errors are innocent and a reflection of my life experience.

May God bless you and yours!

484 posted on 04/24/2015 10:05:57 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: ebb tide; Mark17
Every night, I pray for the reversion of apostate Catholics.

To where do you pray they revert? To your version of Catholicism or the one you call the "rogue curia in Rome" or is it to the Catholic SSPX, the Sedavacanists, the Traditionalists, the Liberals, the Modernists, etc., etc.???

Here's a thought...start praying for the LOST, who don't know Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, that they may come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved. That's sure what I pray for.

485 posted on 04/24/2015 10:12:54 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: LadyDoc
they were part of the Greek Jewish bible that was accepted by most of the Christian and Jewish world at the time of Christ.

No they weren't...The Jewish Orthodox would never have allowed to have books added to their bible...Jesus confirms what the O.T. was...The Psalms, the Law and the Prophets...Your extra Catholic books were not included by Jesus...

486 posted on 04/24/2015 11:56:19 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ebb tide
Every night, I pray for the reversion of apostate Catholics.

HaHaHa...If you only knew what they know...

487 posted on 04/24/2015 11:58:36 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ebb tide; boatbums
Every night, I pray for the reversion of apostate Catholics.

Thanks for your concern, but I am already saved. If you want to pray for me, just pray that my daily walk with Jesus would grow deeper. It is a daily struggle. I just want more victory over sin. I do not want sin to reign in my mortal body. Other than that, as BB says, pray for the lost. Bare witness to the lost. They are the ones who really need prayer the most. 🇵🇭

488 posted on 04/25/2015 12:17:39 AM PDT by Mark17 (Beyond the sunset, O blissful morning, when with our Savior, Heaven is begun. Earth's toiling ended)
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To: Iscool

Read the article I linked to. There was no monolithic Jewish bible until 90 AD and Paul quoted from the Greek book because that is the bible used by the early church.


489 posted on 04/25/2015 12:20:21 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Mark17

I think the difference for Catholics and why they perceive the Protestants to be so different from each other is that they tie all those things to salvation. Once they left salvation by faith alone in Christ alone and added other requirements each difference became monumental.


490 posted on 04/25/2015 4:53:27 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Iscool

From what I can tell most Catholics simply accept the re-written history the Catholic Church puts out. We see that true documented history is posted here and it’s simply ignored by Catholics.


491 posted on 04/25/2015 4:59:36 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: caww
>>if they are praying for the dead to be let out of purgatory how do they tell when they’re released?<<

Is there any wonder that they can't be assured of salvation? It's all dependent on what man does.

492 posted on 04/25/2015 5:21:35 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: LadyDoc; Iscool
>>There was no monolithic Jewish bible until 90 AD and Paul quoted from the Greek book because that is the bible used by the early church.<<

The article at your link was woefully inept. The quote "Paul used to cite from the Septuigent( that's what it was called) copiously in his talks and letters to his communities." is incredibly deceptive. Paul never quoted from any of that apocryphal books. If I quote from the gospel of Matthew in the Catholic bible it doesn't mean I accept the apocryphal books included in the same Catholic bible.

493 posted on 04/25/2015 5:44:05 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
I kid you not.

If the Holy Spirit brought everyone praying to him for the true meaning of Scripture, then over time most Christian denominations would dry up...

The Holy Spirit has has had over 2000 years to give people the true meaning of Scripture, so why are not most of us converging on the one true belief?


You are posting that the Spirit of God is at fault.

Needs rethinking.


494 posted on 04/25/2015 6:30:13 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: BlackElk
I trust that the next conclave will take note of the blunder of the most recent conclave and give us a magnificently Catholic pope once more.

Jesuits are not Catholics?
495 posted on 04/25/2015 6:32:52 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Iscool

If you only knew what Satan knows...


496 posted on 04/25/2015 7:06:14 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: BlackElk
Meanwhile, are you not an apologist for the SSPX schism or do I have you confused with someone else?

As usual, you are confused.

497 posted on 04/25/2015 7:13:13 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: BlackElk
I trust that the next conclave will take note of the blunder of the most recent conclave and give us a magnificently Catholic pope once more.

And then we can celebrate with some bubble up and rainbow stew.

498 posted on 04/25/2015 7:17:52 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
If you only knew what Satan knows...

As usual, you are confused.

We have a rogue curia in Rome.

And then we can celebrate with some bubble up and rainbow stew.


1. You do?

2. But that poster was a member of your own club.

3. YOU do; no "we" Kemo Sabe.

4. Like Esau?
499 posted on 04/25/2015 7:46:10 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free; metmom; CynicalBear
So you believe that only a tiny fraction of Christians have been anointed with the Holy Spirit, correct?

Only the saved have the indwelling Holy Spirit ....and that my friend is indeed a very small number of the people that have or will live in this earth

So not a single Catholic in the world has been anointed with the Holy Spirit?

Many Catholics, some right here on this forum,have been given the indwelling Holy Spirit... Once they begin to be taught by God ..they leave

So, are all Protestants so anointed and therefore know the true meaning of Scripture, or only the Episcopalians?

Catholics just do not get "it". ..There are saved and unsaved in Protestant churches ...This is not about being protestant.. it is about being born again

500 posted on 04/25/2015 8:04:59 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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