Posted on 02/26/2015 1:41:17 PM PST by RnMomof7
“You receive grace through work. That’s earning grace.”
They are CHRIST’S WORKS that He starts in me. I earn nothing. He freely gives to me. That’s grace.
“The Catholic Church has never taught we “earn” our salvation. It is an inheritance (Galatians 5:21), freely given to anyone who becomes a child of God (1 John 3:1), so long as they remain that way (John 15:1-11). You can’t earn it but you can lose the free gift given from the Father (James 1:17).” http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/FAWORKS.HTM
“AWAY FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD”.
She was wrong. Case closed.
Have a good night. You oppose the Bible. That won’t change.
John 12:40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them."
Matthew 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit."
The idea of purgatory itself is earning salvation by what you go through.
I can read faster than he can talk
Tell me, do Catholics have to “cooperate” in order to gain salvation? I do know what your church says.
I did not return to the Catholic church, but I am surely saved and redeemed by the blood of Jesus. If you ever get out to North Texas, look me up and you can come to my church on Sunday, if you are not opposed to taking a walk on the Pentecostal wild side.
There are very few people that would get uncomfortable at our church, unless you come on one of those weird mornings when the Holy Spirit shows up! (Which is actually pretty much awesome.) If that does not happen, I will look you up when we are gathered His throne, bro.
Can’t see that or WON’T see that? My guess is they cannot tolerate the thought that their church can be wrong about anything since that would prove they are NOT infallible and EVERYTHING else they assert can also be wrong.
Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Oh you foolish Catholics. Having begun by faith, are you being perfected by the flesh?
By your own admission, yes.
If you have to work to keep it, it negates grace.
And then combine that with the fear of facing God alone. From their comments it’s obvious to me that the safety of the “crowd” is vitally important to them and a sense of security. They seem to think that because they “belong” to what they claim is the one true church it’s a done deal. It will be a sad a shocking day when they each stand alone trying to explain how they “belonged”. The pope is not the vicar of Christ on earth nor is the Catholic Church the safe haven they think it is. It’s Christ alone or cast out.
Your INTERPRETATION is only valid if you deny the OMNIPRESENCE of God ...I am assuming this is not a PERSONAL interpretation ..cause Rome FORBIDS THAT :)
So please supple the INFALLIBLE interpretation from the MAGISISTERIUM
In the meantime lets look at the Greek in the meantime shall we ??
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Transliteration
prosōpon
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Pronunciation
pro'-sō-pon (Key)
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Part of Speech
neuter noun
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Root Word (Etymology)
From πρός (G4314) and ops (the visage, from ὀπτάνομαι (G3700))
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Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry TDNT Reference: 6:768,950 |
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Outline of Biblical Usage
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My God is a consuming Fire
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Try brain washing
Psalm 139:7–12
7 xWhere shall I go from your Spirit? Or where yshall I flee from your presence? 8 zIf I ascend to heaven, you are there! aIf I make my bed in Sheol, you are there! 9 If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, 10 even there your hand shall blead me, and your right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say, c“Surely the darkness shall cover me, and the light about me be night,” 12 deven the darkness is not dark to you; the night is bright as the day, for darkness is as light with you.
“Tell me, do Catholics have to “cooperate” in order to gain salvation?”
Tell me, does God force people into Heaven against their will?
Have fun with the rest of the thread. I’m going to hang out with some former Protestants who are now orthodox Christians for the first time in their lives. I hope way day you come to know Christ. So far you apparently don’t know Him.
First clue: repeating the same robotic rote phrases over and over like clockwork.
Nope.
But what's that got to do with CB's question?
So try answering that.
I’m glad that you have found your way back to the Lord. Isn’t it amazing? It offers clarity of purpose and comfort in times of trouble. We are all brothers in Christ. If God is merciful and I am extremely lucky I hope to see you and all of our brothers and sisters in the Lord’s house.
Well, I think it is all of the above. Pride, stubbornness, FEAR, brain washing, although one can only be brainwashed if they allow themselves to be. Whatever you want to call it, it is spiritual blindness. Someone mentioned standing before God all by themselves, with no one watching their 6, with nothing more than their works, which God says are filthy rags. With no one watching my 6, I believe I would be a bit shaken too. If you think the fear is bad now, wait till the time to stand before Him actually comes. I can not imagine the fear in their hearts. I imagine their knees scarred from when a mighty angel bodily forced them to their knees, as every member of Adam's race, every creature who has ever uttered a sound, will rise in one great crescendo, and declare that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God. Most will bow the knee unwillingly, but they will bow just the same. I think it is better to bow the knee now, willingly, rather than later be forced to bow the knee unwillingly.
People who start by throwing out part of the Old Testament are starting by blaspheming the Holy Spirit whether they realize they're doing so or not.
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