The Absurdity of Separated Brethren

Beggars All ^ | February 11, 2009 | "carrie"

[RnMomof7]

The Absurdity of Separated Brethren

Before Protestants were "separated brethren"...

Q. Does the Lord make use of apostate Catholics, such as Martin Luther, Calvin, John Knox, Henry VIII., King of England, to reform the manners of the people?

A. The thought is absurd. The lives of those men were evil, and it is only the devil that makes use of them to pervert the people still more. The Lord makes use of His saints, such as a St. Francis of Assisium, a St. Dominick, a St. Ignatius, a St. Alphonsus, to convert the people and reform their evil manners by explaining to them the truths of faith, the commandments, and the necessity of receiving the sacraments with proper dispositions, and by setting them in their own lives the loftiest example of faith, purity, and all Christian virtues.

Q. Are there any other reasons to show that heretics, or Protestants who die out of the Roman Catholic Church, are not saved?

A. There are several. They cannot be saved, because

1. They have no divine faith.

2. They make a liar of Jesus Christ, of the Holy Ghost, and of the Apostles.

3. They have no faith in Christ.

4. They fell away from the true Church of Christ.

5. They are too proud to submit to the Pope, the Vicar of Christ.

6. They cannot perform any good works whereby they can obtain heaven.

7. They do not receive the Body and Blood of Christ.

8. They die in their sins.

9. They ridicule and blaspheme the Mother of God and His saints.

10. They slander the spouse of Jesus Christ —:the Catholic Church.

Q. What is the act of faith of a Protestant?

A. O my God, I believe nothing except what my own private judgment tells me to believe; therefore I believe that I can interpret Thy written word—the Holy Scriptures —as I choose. I believe that the Pope is anti-Christ; that any man can be saved, provided he is an honest man; I believe that faith alone is sufficient for salvation; that good works, and works of penance, and the confession of sins are not necessary, etc.

Q. Have Protestants any faith in Christ?

A. They never had.

Q. Why not?

A. Because there never lived such a Christ as they imagine and believe in.

Q. In what kind of a Christ do they believe?

A. In such a one of whom they can make a liar, with impunity, whose doctrine they can interpret as they please, and who does not care about what a man believes, provided he be an honest man before the public.

Q. Will such a faith in such a Christ save Protestants?

A. No sensible man will assert such an absurdity.

Familiar Explanation of Christian Doctrine
For the Family and More Advanced Students in Catholic Schools (1875)
(pgs 70, 91-93, 97-98; with imprimatur)

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4:33 PM

[WildHighlander57]

The OPC, Reform, and Lutheran Missouri synod don’t condone abortion either!

[unlearner]

“I got sick of the rotten fruit of the protestants!”

As Reagan said, “there you go again”.

Sure, there are many Protestants that are false Christians. You just left one false church for another.

“Actually it turned me 100% prolife”

Prolife enough to renounce the Catholic church’s burning William Tyndale at the stake?

“I don’t like a church that does not have a service every day or is even open daily just for prayer.”

The church is not a building. It is made up of people who trust in Christ. Many local churches around the world must meet in hiding and have no building designated to meet in. Many in China have to meet in grave yards and similar places.

“’Unless you drink my blood and eat my flesh you will not have life with in you’. You have no idea what that means but I do.”

Since you believe the Catholic lies about Christ’s words, then I know that you do not know what they mean. First Corinthians 11 says we must discern the body of Christ. Communion represents how Christ’s body and blood were given so that those who believe can be transformed into His spiritual body through the indwelling Holy Spirit. The church is the body of Christ, and it is made up of all believers. This definition does not align with your view of what the church is. Therefore, you eat and drink and still fail to “discern” the true body of Christ. No, you do not know what the meaning of Christ’s words were.

[GeronL]

Some Catholics molest kids, some Catholics in Germany get their manna from government and own porn publisher...

isn’t that rotten fruit? how do y’all square that?

[vladimir998]

Protestant anti-Catholics, being not well educated about things Christian, often make anachronistic mistakes. A Catechism from 1875, for instance, should naturally be interpreted by what came before it:

Concerning this doctrine the Pope of Vatican I, Pius IX, spoke on two different occasions. In an allocution (address to an audience) on December 9th, 1854 he said:

We must hold as of the faith, that out of the Apostolic Roman Church there is no salvation; that she is the only ark of safety, and whosoever is not in her perishes in the deluge; we must also, on the other hand, recognize with certainty that those who are invincible in ignorance of the true religion are not guilty for this in the eyes of the Lord. And who would presume to mark out the limits of this ignorance according to the character and diversity of peoples, countries, minds and the rest?

Again, in his encyclical Quanto conficiamur moerore of 10 August, 1863 addressed to the Italian bishops, he said:

It is known to us and to you that those who are in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion, but who observe carefully the natural law, and the precepts graven by God upon the hearts of all men, and who being disposed to obey God lead an honest and upright life, may, aided by the light of divine grace, attain to eternal life; for God who sees clearly, searches and knows the heart, the disposition, the thoughts and intentions of each, in His supreme mercy and goodness by no means permits that anyone suffer eternal punishment, who has not of his own free will fallen into sin. https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/outside_the_church.htm

[Lee N. Field]

Actually, it went both ways, especially in England and Ireland. Oliver Cromwell’s stated intent in Ireland was to drive all Catholics “To Hell Or Connacht” (the harsh, unfertile western part), and sold over 100,00 Irish Catholics into slavery in the West Indies.

Persecution is one area where neither side should claim clean hands.

I'm currently listening through Carl Trueman's Reformation history class (Westminster Seminary, via ITunes U).

The goings on during the Reformation era are as clean as popular Protestant hagiography would have it. They were messy. Especially the English reformation.

[Salvation]

Do non-Catholics also molest children?

Non-Catholic Abusers

[moonhawk]

I still try to remember to pray for you everyday, Mom.

[Big Red Badger]

The same hooey,,

The burning at the Stake seems a new low
along with a” Vile Creature” slander.

this could set New precedents!

[GeronL]

Don’t non-protestants also do the things they were accused of?

You totally missed the point.

[vladimir998]

“In the protestant dominated world, we “live and let live”...”

You were forced to. Since no Protestant sect could make a claim to authority more sound than that of any other, and since Protestants fought one another wherever they were or went, the only way they could live in peace was to embrace secularism and indifferentism. This ultimately leads to atheism. That’s happening now. Pope Pius X said this would happen more than a century ago.

“The error of Protestantism made the first step on this path; that of Modernism makes the second; atheism makes the next.” Pope Pius X, Pascendi Dominici Gregis, no. 39.

[infool7]

Careful now workerbee, ain’t no sense in both of us getting banned.

[Big Red Badger]

They Cannot Be Saved!

I liked that part best from the article dated 2009.

Who needs a God to judge?

Why post this junk in the first place?

It always devolves to mud slinging that frankly I enjoy in a twisted fashion.

[metmom]

Some Prots condone queer marriage, female priests, female bishops, aborton; some don’t. How do y’all square that?

Many Catholics vote for pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage politicians and have told me themselves, that they are pro-abortion and pro-homosexual marriage and said, *I know what the church teaches but......*, so how do you all square that?

Even the Catholic church's own polls show disparity like that.

So how do Catholics excuse all the finger pointing?

If disagreement on those issues is supposed to be proof of the weakness and fallacy of Protestantism and sola Scriptura, then what explains away Catholic disagreement on the issues?

Show us how *sacred tradition* and the CCC has prevented disunity on moral issues.

[ebb tide]

What has the Catholic Church always taught and still does, despite bad popes?

You should know, having left it.