Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Thank you.
I deliberately started with the intention to build Christ’s Church, leaving the issue of who the Rock is aside. The point is that think what you will about the papacy, this is a statement of the Church being the rule of faith, the body of people who “bind and loose”.
I will never understand the leaps in thinking that Catholics take out of one simple statement.
What on earth possessed you to even think that I would claim the Holy Spirit spoke only to me?
How was that implied in what I said?
And yes, the Holy has and will continue to speak directly to me, usually through the Word, but sometimes just in knowing what to do in a situation that demands a response that I would not on my own, know what to do. I have also been led to pray for someone, not knowing what their situation was, only to find out later that at that very moment, they were dealing with something that needed prayer, sometimes the very thing I felt prompted to pray for.
>As in???<
I don't know what protestants believe....but I can tell you Christians believe the Word unlike our catholic friends.
Christians can easily point out the non-scriptural problems with catholicism.
Catholicism believes mary was immaculately conceived...yet their own apologists admit this cannot be substantiated in Scripture....yet they go right ahead and promote this and being "dogma."
Why?
They also admit the ECFs should not be relied upon for this dogma also. Yet they go on and promote this as dogma.
Why?
To date, and I've asked several times, no catholic has been willing or able to answer this.
They believe mary was assumed into Heaven.....why? Because no one knows where her body is. So they assume she was taken up. As Elsie has put it....the most important woman in Catholicism and no one kept track of where or when she died??
Paul wrote the following in 1 Cor 4:6
6Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.
take their original cost, amortize that over the years of their existence and you will see that they were GREAT bargains.....you should get that great a return on your investment!!!
We have no examples of praying to saints in Heaven. The admonishment Paul was giving was to a local church to pray for each other.
Catholics have perverted this and now say they have to pray to Mary to hopefully get her to talk to Christ on our behalf. This is part of their justification for praying to Mary.....and please, don't say catholics don't pray to Mary.
There are too many examples in Catholicism that show they do.
Read your own post to find the answers to your questions. You wrote it. Two words! Holy Spirit. Why is it such a stretch for you to believe that He also speaks to the Catholic Church?
The “Reverends” Sharpton, Wright , and Jackson agree with you!
and it should end with amen....not; for thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever and ever.....I can't find that in any Bible I've ever read....even the KJV
Redleghunter:you are praising Mary and the Saints
Annalex:I do, and so should you.
I’m sorry but you are asking me to sin. I picked a few passages from inspired scriptures to demonstrate what real praise is and it is only directed towards God:
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
John 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
Jude:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
If you have an example of praise, or prayer in Scriptures going to another entity other than God please post up.
The Holy Spirit speaks to individuals.
How could He speak to an organization?
Is the Catholic church a single entity that can exist without its members?
If you took away all the people, where would the Catholic church be?
So if He speaks to the *church* does He say the same thing to all the people at the same time?
You seem to be having some fun.
I said we FOR each other not TO each other. Big difference.
the primacy of Peter was established by Christ...the future operations , successions,ruberiks,local rules, day by day operations, finances, charity giving, orphanages, hospitals, were pretty much left up to the Catholic church which had been assured that Christ would oversee until the end of time....and all this without error in faith and morals....pretty impressive I'd say.!!!
Without error except not counting scandal A, scandal B, etc... it’s a human organization that tries to take credit for what only God can do that is pretty sad.
Your statement must be music to the ears of Satan. He was the first one to deny the sufficiency of God's word. He is the one who attempts to twist God's word by saying it doesn't really mean what it says.
If the Word which was inspired by the Holy Spirit is insufficient when we have so many examples in the Bible of people appealing to the Word, we have Jesus appealing to the Word in His dealings with Satan, then you're going to appeal to man-made "rules" and expect people to believe they are superior to the Holy Inspired Word???
No sir, brother....I'm not buying that false argument of yours.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
I would also point out Psalm 119. In all but three of the 176 verses there is a reference to the Word. The Psalmist uses 10 different terms for the Law or Word of God in this chapter. It is well worth a read to see the importance and reliance upon the Word.
It is also worth noting that in Mary's praise to the Lord in Luke 1:46-55, she quotes the OT at least 15 times. Perhaps the love of God's Word was the reason she was chosen to be the mother of Christ.
Tell that to the EO.
And some of your own RCC's.
And why are you telling me?
And what do you think these "reverends" and I are in agreement on?
If it were true, I'd have to agree. But since it's not......I won't.
They don’t care for Roman Catholic theology.
But since the “only valid argument” is “Roman Catholic vs. everything else” that puts you in the same boat.
Neat how question begging works that way huh.
No where in that verse does it say they are eating flesh or drinking blood. They are eating bread and drinking the cup which Jesus Himself said was "the fruit of the vine". The bread and wine are spiritually symbolic of the flesh and blood of Christ.
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