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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: don-o
(He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)

Except with mom; right?

1,001 posted on 12/16/2014 6:55:46 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Fantasywriter
>>My take-away on this thread is that non-Catholic Christians want people to call them jerks.<<

I understand and can see why you chose your moniker.

1,002 posted on 12/16/2014 6:59:27 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: SpirituTuo
Why are you so rude and insulting?

OH??

Or much of the Bible; either.



Isn't the EVIDENCE; shown in just this ONE thread; enough to convince a lurking person that what I posted is TRUE?

Compare how much scripture versus ROME's writings you Catholics post.


Heck; we PROTS even post your churches writings!

But do we get THANKS! for that?

NO!

More than likely; your chosen religions writings and teachings that WE show will be IGNORED.

I find THAT to be INSULTING.

1,003 posted on 12/16/2014 7:01:54 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DuncanWaring

Yes; you did ask before.


1,005 posted on 12/16/2014 7:02:28 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nicmarlo

Don’t laugh.

It only encourages him.

—Mrs.ELSIE(I have to LIVE with him!)


1,006 posted on 12/16/2014 7:03:51 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
It was mindreading at the finest!

My wife gets REALLY upset at the small Indiana brown snakes I find on the property and bring in a bucket to show her.


1,007 posted on 12/16/2014 7:06:37 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nicmarlo

I’m just Grumpy...


1,008 posted on 12/16/2014 7:08:44 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
You have completed the 1K in record time!

Have an award!


1,009 posted on 12/16/2014 7:12:23 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Fantasywriter; teppe
“It is a serious thing,” says Lewis, “to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest and most uninteresting person you talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare.

Indeed!!


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


1,010 posted on 12/16/2014 7:14:23 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear

That response doesn’t surprise me. To take the Golden Rule seriously on threads like this is to expect mocking and ridicule to follow. It hasn’t taken me long to figure that out, despite the fact I haven’t posted much on the RF until very recently.


1,011 posted on 12/16/2014 7:14:58 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Elsie

Psalm 82:6-8 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

6 I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are sons of the Most High.

7 “Nevertheless you will die like men


1,013 posted on 12/16/2014 7:19:52 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Elsie
>>People who get REBUKED for non-biblical teaching never seem to consider it 'goodwill'.<<

Proverbs 15:12 A scorner loveth not one that reproveth him: neither will he go unto the wise.

1,014 posted on 12/16/2014 7:20:41 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Elsie

“ROME teaches that many important things are NOT found in the bible...”

The bible teaches that many important things are not found in the bible. Conveniently ignored by so called bible Christians.

John 21:25

2 Thessalonians 2:14


1,015 posted on 12/16/2014 7:21:24 AM PST by stonehouse01
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To: Elsie

And you continue to refuse to answer.

Methinks that in your own life you don’t take “Call no man Father” seriously; you only use it as an excuse to abuse Catholics for using said word to describe/address priests.


1,016 posted on 12/16/2014 7:22:15 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Elsie
Sigh...

Does my Roman Catholic belief bore you for some reason?

1,017 posted on 12/16/2014 7:23:45 AM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Elsie

Sigh...


1,018 posted on 12/16/2014 7:24:26 AM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: stonehouse01; Elsie

Why did you insert the word “important”? Would you purport to know better than the Holy Spirit what is important? It was He who decided what was to be preserved in writing. He also said it was sufficient. Yet you claim to know better than He what is “important”?


1,019 posted on 12/16/2014 7:43:45 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Did she give birth to Jesus? Not a complicated question.


1,020 posted on 12/16/2014 7:45:22 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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