Posted on 12/11/2014 2:01:01 PM PST by NYer
I find the literal to be necessary - How does one assume that the War of Magog is yet to happen without requiring also that which follows it? Every word that YHWH has ever said will surely come to pass. HE declares that, not me. His words do not return to Him empty. Unless, of course, you claim that the Magog war has already happened somehow (Zeke 38)...
The reason it is a 'head-banger' is because of normalcy bias. It is outside of the paradigm that we all have been raised within - Rome still has tentacles deep in Protestantism - Hence the OP.
The birth of Christ on December 25 ? Sukkot as the date is supported by Elizabeth's Zacharias served as a high priest and John would have been born on Pesach. Factor in when Miriam visited her cousin Elizabeth, John (1:14) tells us that Yah'shua was made flesh The word "dwelt" in the Koine Greek is: Eight days after the beginning of Sukkot is Eight days after a Jewish male is born he is circumcised. After the Eighth day comes the the most Joyous day: Nine months back from Sukkot is Chanukah
A clear reading of the Holy Word of G-d would lead to another date.
A date commanded by YHvH with clear Biblical meaning and understanding.
Chanukah is a great time for followers of the Jewish Messiah to celebrate.
The eight day Feast of Chanukah echoes of the eight days of the Feast of Tabernacles
Chanukah was most likely when the "light of the world"
(John 8:12) entered human form and tabernacled among us.
Feast of Tabernacles is the birth day of Yah'shua.
This question is answered when you believe and trust
the Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1.
Yah'shua's birth on Sukkot
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
(Sukkot is the Feast of Tabernacles or booths,
where we live in temporary shelters.
Sukkot is when YHvH took on a temporary
garment to be with His People
and to die as the Lamb of G-d on Pesach
in order to bring salvation to all
who would call on His Name:
(Romans 10:13 & Joel 2:32)
Yah'shua ( YHvH is become my salvation)). Ps. 18:2, 46; 27:1; 35:9; 38:22; 88:1;
118:14; 119:174; 140:7; Isa. 12:2; 56:1;
61:10; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:18
pregnancy of John the Immerser.
The time sequence is outlined by the
Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1 with Zacharias.
based on his tribe, we know when he served
(1 Chronicles 24:7-18) and when he was
struck dumb and when John was conceived.
Most Jews believed that Elijah
would come at Pesach to announce
the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 4:5).
Elizabeth was six months pregnant (Luke 1:26)
Thus the timing of Yah'shua's birth can be ascertained.
and tabernacled among us. σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
tabernacle
2) to dwell
another Holy Feast Day called Shemini Atzeret.
Simchat Torah or
the rejoicing in the Torah (The Word of Elohim).
where the light entered the temple.
Ahh, I see.. I thought you were saying he didn't speak the 10 commandments - Your argument is with 'shouted' itself - that is mine. He was atop the mountain 'speaking' amidst trumpeting and thundering... down into the valley where all of Israel was assembled, Is that better?
The point being that the ten were transmitted directly from the mouth of YHWH. And that the people could not bear His voice. The rest of Torah was (for that reason) transmitted through Moses. Even so, they are a body of work - there is nothing I can see which separates the ten from the rest. Rather, the BIG TWO are a summary of the TEN, and the TEN are a summary of the rest.
I may indeed have normalcy bias. The thought that God would ever be satisfied with blood sacrifice again is beyond my comprehension. These were types and shadows. They pointed to Christ and did all that was required of them and were fulfilled. As far as this one prophecy, remember they were still in captivity and broken as a nation. This was a 'pick me up" saying this is possible, and it was but did not happen. God gave conditional covenants that expired. Not from any lack on His part, though.
Now who has "normalcy bias"? One is a spiritual Law. The other concerned itself with material things - meats, drinks, sacrifices and washings. Even following it down to the last jot and tittle was in vain for Heb. 8:19 tells us it made nothing perfect. It has no bearing on salvation whatsoever. Again, look at it from Gods viewpoint. You won't have an earthly body in Heaven. No real need for food to sustain you. No real need for washings because of the lack of bacteria that couldn't affect your spiritual body anyways. The spiritual Law is forever. The other . . not so much. Eph 2:15, Col. 2:14
My bedtime. Warden said “lights out”. Gotta go.
Ill get to it :)
The one I linked to you, has John the Baptist being on on Passover, Christ conceived on Channukah and born on Succoth
He never WAS satisfied by the blood of bulls and goats. Torah says so outright.
They pointed to Christ and did all that was required of them and were fulfilled.
Not according to Zeke.
As far as this one prophecy, remember they were still in captivity and broken as a nation. This was a 'pick me up" saying this is possible, and it was but did not happen. God gave conditional covenants that expired. Not from any lack on His part, though.
Well, we may as well stop right here then. If you are willing to throw away the prophets, there will be no agreement. As for me, I will believe Yeshua, who said that every bit of Torah and the prophets is still in force, until all of it... every-single-bit... has been fulfilled. If YHWH can so easily throw away words he gave to his prophet, if he can write off his promises to Judah and to Israel, then how can you believe he will keep his promise to you? Actually, there is no promise to you without Israel. Gentiles are grafted into a covenant with Israel and Judah.
However, I must give you credit - Yours is a new twist on an old saw - That uniqueness supposes a level of attention superior to your peers.
But dead wrong, IMHO, all the same. I am in my fifties, and I fully expect to see the Ps 83 war, and the Magog war within my lifetime - That one cannot see prophecy coming true right before our eyes is astounding to me.
ALL of Torah has a physical and a spiritual aspect.
Even following it down to the last jot and tittle was in vain for Heb. 8:19 tells us it made nothing perfect.
Study Torah and you will find that is not it's purpose, and never was.
It has no bearing on salvation whatsoever.
And it never has.
Again, look at it from Gods viewpoint. You won't have an earthly body in Heaven. No real need for food to sustain you. No real need for washings because of the lack of bacteria that couldn't affect your spiritual body anyways. The spiritual Law is forever. The other . . not so much. Eph 2:15, Col. 2:14
I think you are making assumptions that are not in evidence. And if you care to study the matter, you will find that we are not going to heaven. Heaven is coming here. YHWH made the earth to be inhabited. Do you think He failed in that endeavor?
See, that's the problem with ignoring the front of the Book. One loses track of intent. What was said in the beginning will be in the end. Doesn't that kinda make the beginning important? But then, I guess that's how folks get to where they cannot see the stunning malfeasance of christmas, easter, and haloween (among many others)... How they can claim ten Commandments and in the same breath, not keep Sabbath (which is the most powerfully evident of all YHWH's moedim), which is explicitly defined within the ten...
"Well, we may as well stop right here then. If you are willing to throw away the prophets, there will be no agreement."
Again, I have not thrown away the prophets. Some prophecies and covenants were conditional. If the conditions were not met, they did not happen. Seems pretty straightforward to me. But if you wish to stop right there then I wish you wellness and prosperity. And will leave it at that.
Good! I didn't get that from your treatment of Ezekiel. I meant no offense, but simply that such a condition would be insurmountable.
Some prophecies and covenants were conditional. If the conditions were not met, they did not happen.
True, But study the matter, and I think you will find that as concerns what has been prophesied, that will NEVER apply. This is most easily confirmed in the blessing (or inheritance). It is unconditional, and divided between the brothers (and thereby the tribes), and cannot be gained or lost by any means. Because of it's division, the only portion to be found in Yeshua is the portion of Judah (the rod, the crown, and the scepter) - The rest, and particularly Joseph (through Ephraim and Manasseh,) remain in the tribes to which they were assigned. These things, inevitably MUST come true. Prove that out, and every objection must fall away.
It is too large a thing to annotate here, but follow that out... What you will find is that what you think is conditional cannot be. YHWH will cause all of it to come to pass, not because of reprobate Israel, or backsliding Judah... but because of His own Word. If He said it, it will happen. THE covenant is with a single Seed. But the inheritance intrinsically ties all of Israel to that Seed.
And more to the point, I know of no condition that impinges upon the Kingdom visions whatsoever.
Including the snake tempting Eve?
Sure... That certainly has not been resolved. The Seed of woman has had his heel bitten, but He has not yet crushed the head of the serpent.
[roamer_1:] Doesn't that kinda make the beginning important? But then, I guess that's how folks get to where they cannot see the stunning malfeasance of christmas, easter, and haloween (among many others)...
I don't care much for those and fail to make any connection with them and Genesis Torah.
But that is precisely the point... Because it isn't there. I think Torah is the touchstone governing doctrine. I think that is what it is for. That is why those who tried to change it were identified as false prophets. That is why Yeshua cannot have changed it, nor his disciples... And no, it is not fulfilled. Much is yet to come according to both Torah and the prophets.
[roamer_1:] How they can claim ten Commandments and in the same breath, not keep Sabbath (which is the most powerfully evident of all YHWH's moedim), which is explicitly defined within the ten...
Indeed. How can they. I don't, if that is what you are inferring.
I was speaking to the general dichotomies within generic Christendom.
He did on Calvary. He vanquished Satan. He's on borrowed time and he knows it. Rev. 12:12
Oh, no doubt, the jig is up... but his head is not yet crushed... In fact, it could be argued that from our perspective, he is in the height of his power, or approaching that point.
Yeah I heard of that position before and use to run with it... but Johnathan Cahn’s seems right on and I am agreeing one his position. It is totally full of Jewish insight. be sure to check it out it will blow you away!
Shalom
I think he is making some jumps
taking the Lamb to His house? Maybe...
I think the link I gave you have a better explanation
In Succoth, God is tabernacling amongst us
Conception at Hanukkah makes Jesus is the light of the world
If all we use is ‘logic’, then Jesus was BORN at hanukkah, being the light of the world, circumcised the 8th day (end of hanukkah), born in winter, a more expensive lamb (GOOGLE LAMBING)
Also, 6 months prevous, even if Lambing is in the spring, mating is in the fall, shepards would be watching the mating, too, not just the birth
I do like Cahn, though, he has some good points, yet the time of GREAT JOY of Christ’s birth, shepards in the field, they could have been outside for any reason, especially if an Angel was coming or if there were wild beasts in the field trying to eat the lambs (My grandfatherr did that for a while and was fired because a wolf got a sheep at night, Israel used to have lions roaming about, remember? To assume that shepards didnt guard the flock at night would be absurd in a time such as that)
Not sure of Cahn’s view but scripture and His sky tells us when the Messiah was born.
It was when the woman was clothed with the sun and the moon was under her feet.
revelation 12
That is a real astronomical event and this year, occurred on a New Moon Day, September 26th.
2000 years ago because of the earth’s wobbling, that sign was seen earlier in what we call a year..
And studying His sun, moon and stars, one can see His plan without being fully aware of written scripture. if one does read scripture, one can also see it in His sky.
In another 2000 years, the sign will be in a different Gregorian month..
His birth occurred on an appointed day, a New Moon Day ( a specific one)
He was circumcised on the 8th day and that is a weekly Sabbath when the calendar in scripture is used ( most plain detail is found in Ezekiel 46- new moon day, six work days, sabbath, 1+6+1=8th day of month)
His next major life event was His dedication in the temple which was to be after 40 days of His mother’s purification.
If He was born on a New Moon Day, that is the first day of a month. Then the 40 days would land on the 10th day of the next month..
There is one Sabbath that falls on the 10th day. It is in the 7th month. So, the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us and was dedicated in the temple, on the 10th day of the 7th month, the Day of Atonement!
It means He was born on the first day of the 6th month of our Heavenly Father’s calendar (not Rome’s)
The next major event to happen in scripture is His baptism. Only one account gives us His age, 30.
We do have a shadow event after His baptism of Him being led into the wilderness for 40 days.
That is similar to the event that occurred at His birth. So, is it a stretch to say He was baptized on His 30th birthday, a New Moon Day , the 1st day of His 6th month?
It would be hard to argue against any other day. And a pattern starts to emerge.
We know He laid His life for us down on the Feast of Passover. (14th day)
We know He laid in the tomb on the Feast of Unleavened Bread. (15th day)
We know He rose from the grave on the Feast of First Fruits (16th day)
HalleluYah!
New Moons, Sabbaths and Feasts were appointed times, given to Israel , for worship. They were to point to their King and His Kingdom.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..
Christendom has robbed YHWH and Yahshua of His appointed days and times to be worshipped in substitution for their own sabbaths and feasts.
Instead of scripture, Rome dictates truth through their own liturgical and world calendar, and is isn’t an accident the calendar is named after a pope (pope Gregory)
Truth is there for His Bride to seek..
But traditions of men is a sweet cup..and Rome is a power and principality with subtle rule over peoples..
Day of atonement?
you went from Christmas to Yom Kippur?
Where did you hear this stuff??
As for signs and seasons and GOD’S festivals, they are GOd’s holy days, not Israel, God’s feasts, not Israel’s
You may have missed the point..
Yom Kippur is 40 days prior to His birth.
His major life events fell on Appointed times..those appointed times were taught to Israel.. They all were shadows of the coming King.. and not only did He fulfill them spiritually, His major life events occurred on those literal appointed times. And Israel still missed them.. and do today..
And much of that lays at the feet of people who see December 25 and things like easter as truth..
Christmas and december 25 has nothing to do with the birth of the Messiah of Israel..
It is a man made , made up day.
So is easter for that matter..
They are counterfeits of actual days that are in scripture.. and with study and His Amazing Grace, His people can discern Genuine from Pseudo..
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