Posted on 12/11/2014 2:01:01 PM PST by NYer
Eccle 13:13 is clear. Let us determine what Commandments are included in this admonition.
Obviously all of the commandments of Yehova, since there was no clause of exclusion.
>> “Col. 2:14 - 17 indicates these (ordinances and ceremonial laws) are “shadow” things that expired at the cross.” <<
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Colossians 2:14 speaks of the false law of the Pharisees, and has nothing to do with any part of Torah.
None of this relates in any way to “shadow pictures” which are things we do to watch for their time of happening.
Ut oh. Houston we have a problem. Not so obvious if we read the NT.
(1) God never gave the ordinances equality with His Law.
(2) Besides Col 2, we have Gal. 5:2-5 and other verses which support the idea that these "shadows" came to an end at the cross.
(3) So Gods exclusion kept them out of the Ark with the Ten Commandments. Deut. 31:26
Your post is a series of non-sequiturs.
“Ordinances” is almost always used in reference to the false law of the Pharisees. Falsehood cannot have any part with Torah.
Yeshua completely demolished Phariseeism (Judaism) in Matthew 23. Read the “woes” he pronounced upon them.
None of this has a shred to do with Torah.
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No part of Torah “came to an end at the cross.”
Read Mathew 5!
No part of Torah can end as long as Heaven and Earth exist.
Torah is the Gospel of the Kingdom.
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Naw. read it again. What sets the ten apart is that YHWH shouted them down from Sinai. But the people stopped it and told Moses to represent YHWH because they were so afraid at His presence that they were soiling their nice white robes. They did not want to hear YHWH anymore, lest they die. Thereafter they swore to do whatsoever Moses told them to do, just don't have YHWH speak directly to them again!
Col. 2:14 - 17 indicates these (ordinances and ceremonial laws) are “shadow” things that expired at the cross. While following dietary and washings are good for the body, they no longer appear to be a requirement.
Keep reading and you'll find 22...
This is untrue. Hebrews Chapter 9 and the first verse of Chapter 10 shows that it is the Torah ordinances that are spoken of here and not the extra-Biblical manmade laws. You do know of the New Covenant, do you not?
No part other than what God designates. The Ten Commandments are forever. Th law of Moses . . . not so much.
Yeah, I found 22. Everything but the Ten Commandments gets flushed. We have this New Covenant. Ever hear of it?
I'm trying to make it as simple as I can for you.
>> “This is untrue. Hebrews Chapter 9 and the first verse of Chapter 10 shows that it is the Torah ordinances that are spoken of here and not the extra-Biblical manmade laws. You do know of the New Covenant, do you not?” <<
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Nonsense !!!!!!!
Hebrews 9 is Paul’s explanation of the difference between the temporary value of animal sacrifice, and the perfect effective value of Yeshua’s once and for all sacrifice.
The use of the word “ordinances” here has nothing to do with its use WRT the Pharisees.
Apples and grains of rice is your comparison.
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You didn’t make it simple, the truth is simple, you made confusion by injecting falsehood and smoke to hide the truth.
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1John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning..
Hmm. Then I guess YHWH should not have authorized that part about none of it being added to, nor taken from... and about it being 'forever'. All of Torah is directly and specifically set in stone. Yeshua cannot have changed it, or He is a false prophet... Or do you propose that Moses was a liar?
And many of your contemporaries assert that everything but the big two get flushed - I'll Let y'all pound that out amongst yourselves. As for me, I will follow Yeshua.
We have this New Covenant. Ever hear of it?
Sure. Matthew 5 ratifies Moses into the new covenant, just as every covenant has been ratified forward... The New Covenant says that those who are YHWH's own 'keep the commandments of YHWH and have the testimony of Yeshua Messiah'.
"Apples and grains of rice is your comparison."
Indeed. You just can't let go of the grains of rice. Let it go.
Rev_15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
You don't get more end-of-the-Book than that.
Matthew 5:
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
What is fulfilled?
The first three of seven of Yehova's feasts are fulfilled. Heaven and Earth have not passed, nor has the resurrection unto life brought his elect to the Sea of Fire and Glass for the wedding feast, so Torah is in full force!
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*YAWN* Melchizedek supersedes Levi, and always has. How then can it rescind Torah, which is the basis for it's authority? Maybe you'd best go back and study it.
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