Posted on 09/13/2014 10:57:00 AM PDT by Salvation
Nobody who is saved would have the attitude that salvation is fire insurance, like those who are not born again like to portray.
And how do I know that people who think like that are not born again? Because nobody born again would have such a flippant attitude towards sin and salvation.
Born again believers are new creatures in Christ, have died to the flesh and have the Holy Spirit living in them.
It doesn’t mean they’re perfect, nor does it mean they will never sin, but when God puts His Holy Spirit in you, your thinking WILL change and God will not allow you to continue in a habitual lifestyle of sin.
People who are not saved simply do not understand how the saved view salvation and sin.
Your post 236: I did not say that.
Not in so many words, but the meaning is clear. Your post 112:Born again believers are new creatures in Christ, have died to the flesh and have the Holy Spirit living in them.
So again the question was Jimmy Swaggert living in the flesh when he cheated on his wife? You do understand that adultery is a "Fleshly sin"? How about Jim Bakker When he was committing adultery with Jessica Hahn was he living in the flesh? How about Jesse Jackson He has fathered at least one child outside of wedlock, was he living in the flesh.
Your comment from 112:but when God puts His Holy Spirit in you, your thinking WILL change and God will not allow you to continue in a habitual lifestyle of sin.Jim Bakker did a great job of swindling a lot of people. How did their thinking change? Pretty obvious their lifestyles certainly improved from their sin.
Your reading comprehension is sadly lacking.
Actually it is fine, it appears your memory is the thing that is lacking.
Your comment: Because if Jesus violated the Law in consuming blood, He would have sinned, become a law breaker, and could have not been the spotless, sinless Lamb of God who could take away the sins of the world.
The only reason His death was efficacious was that He was without sin. That’s the only reason He could conquer sin and death.
I see that you speak for God and can attribute sin to him or tell God that his words have no meaning. You are amazing that you know exactly what God does or can do. So you must know more than 2000 years of the Catholic Church teachings.
Good Luck on Judgement Day. I do hope that you get to Heaven, but please don’t try to correct Catholic teaching and faith.
I've used that Scripture in threads with the RC's and the Rootsians (Hebrew Roots). Crickets.
You simply do not understand that Jesus was speaking in figurative language. The disciples chosen as his special students certainly did. They knew they didn’t actually have to bite off, say, a finger, swallow it, and lick up the gushimg blood. Don’t make yourself a silly spectacle over the obvious contradiction if He meant His symbolism to be taken literally, immediately.
Conversion is not regeneration. The Catholic Church does not and cannot save anybody. Regeneration, saving a person, giving a human new spiritual absolute life is a sovereign power that God arrogates exclusively to Himself.
Works out fine because it is a n irreducible Scriptural fact, not a theoty. And if you don’t accept that fact, the Scripture also says things are not going to work out well for you. This is not a condemnation, just an observation.
There are at least hundreds of true independent local churches that are in doctrinal agreement and have fellowship because their focus is Christ, His Scriptures untainted, preacing His Gospel and His sovereign love of/to His subjects, and making, baptizing, and indoctrinating disciples in the doctrine of separation from the unclean thing. They stand apart from the error of supra-local extrabibical government and the Nicolaitan error of a clergy class overruling the remaining non-clergy adherents by the method of terrorizing its adherents with exaggerated erudition and idolatrous edifices--a denomination whose focus is on ritualism and an error-soaked self-contradicting catechism.
Speaking of His Church, the Saviour called it a kingdom, the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of God
The Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of The God are not one and the same, and they are not any one church. The Kingdom of Heaven is of this world, is visible, an is composed now of both tares and wheat: that is, it is impure, containing both unregenerated believers whose end will be the Lake of Fire, whereas the Kingdom of God/Christ is not of this world. It is the general panegyric (festal) assembly of angels and redeemed ones, the sommoned conclave of The Firstborn From The Dead (Jesus) consisting of, and only of, regenerated discipled believer-preists, the saved of earth. Your description is flawed.
That the Church which Christ instituted for man’s salvation must be one in the strict sense of the term just explained
The churches were not made for the salvation of men. It is the recruitment and training of disciples by sound exposition of God's word that was instituted for the salvation of humans (Rom. 10:17). The local assembly was instituted as a vehicle for coordinating essential activities of strengthening those redeemed members, AFIK (Eph. 4:11-16).
He compared it to a city the keys of which were entrusted to the Apostles ( Matthew 5:14 ; 16:19 ),
That's a stretch. The keys are the preaching of the Gospel of salvation through Christ's substitutionary death, resurrection, and offering of His Blood on the True Mercy Seat in Heaven to make reconciliation, buy which He opened the door to Heaven for any soul who is convicted, repents, and persistently commits total trust ib Christ and His Faith. The keys were not uniquely and solely given ti Simon Peter: they are given to every redeemed person who is expected to unlock the mysteries of the Gospel to all who will hear.
to a sheepfold to which all His sheep must come and be united under one shepherd ( John 10:7-17 );
And that is in Heaven, not on earth, and that fold is not the RCC (Col: 3:1-4, Phil. 3:20)
to a vine and its branches,
A church, or any church is not the vine. This is a misapplication of who/what the vine is. He is The true vine, and true believers are the branches. There is no blending of other personhoods wit His Person.
to a house built upon a rock against which not even the powers of hell should ever prevail ( Matthew 16:18 ).
You are conflating the application of Mt. 7:24 in which the deed is hearing Jesis' sayings and doing tem, where the house is the works and the foundation rock is a similitude of Christ Himself. In Mt. 16:18 the rock is the statement of Peter given him by the Father, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God, Grammatically, the rock there cannot be Peter, nor does it reflect his social instability and unreliability.
Moreover, the Saviour, just before He suffered, prayed for His disciples, for those who were afterwards to believe in Him — for His Church — that they might be and remain one as He and the Father are one ( John 17:20-23 );
Jesus' Heavenly Church is and always has been in union, the visible ones have not been, esp the RCC.
St. Paul likewise insists on the unity of the Church.
By emphasizing the doctrine of separation from idolatry and heresy (2 Cor 6:14-7:1, 11:3-4; Gal. 1:6-9; Phil. 3:17-19. As a few examples of misinterpretation and misapplication, all well-known of the Magusterium. Rell us, instead of this, how you intend to conduct Scriptural preaching on sin, salvtion, and sanctification, rather than just condemning those who believe ib Dola Scriptura, sole fide, and Providential preservation of the Bible through the conduct of hundreds of local churches according to the Great Commission's command to keep watchfully secure without change whatsoever Christ has commanded (Mt. 28:20)?
Like metmom says, unsaved people do not understand how God deals with sin...
God says people will pay now or pay later, but they will pay...And yet, they will not lose their salvation...
It doesn’t mean they’re perfect, nor does it mean they will never sin, but when God puts His Holy Spirit in you, your thinking WILL change and God will not allow you to continue in a habitual lifestyle of sin.
So look at your examples...Jim Baker lost his lucrative ministry, his wife and his freedom...But he did not lose God...God took him to the woodshed...
Same with Jimmy Swaggert...God does not send his children to hell...Nor will he allow his children to go to hell...We who are God's children know that...A pity you don't...
It is no big thing for a bible believing Christian to know more than 2000 years of corrupt Catholic teaching...Catholic religion knows very little about God's teaching but knows heaps about useless human philosophy...Man's wisdom...That is what your religion is based on...Not God's wisdom but man's wisdom...
Breaking God’s Law is sin.
That is not me speaking for God. HE declared that to be the case.
He clearly forbids the eating of blood. To do so is sin.
If Jesus had eaten blood, He would have sinned.
There are no if’s and’s or but’s about it. His death is only efficacious because He had no sin.
Tell me what’s wrong with that line of thinking and why instead of just attacking me.
You have igmored the direct words of God in the Bible and assumed that he would commit a sin because you have no faith in his words.
Jesus was very explicit in his words and their meaning, when Jews brought up the same issue of eating flesh and blood and they did not have faith snd stopped following Jesus.
I wished you well on Judgment Day and there was no intention of attacking you. Only trying to challenge your thinking and underdstanding as others have done for me.
John 6
I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”a
52The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?” 53Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.b 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.” 59These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum
Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?” 61Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you? 62What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?* 63It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh* is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.c 65And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
66As a result of this, many [of] his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. 67Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?” 68Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”d 70Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?” 71He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve
I really hope that you understand the words of Jesus and accept them.
Apparently I missed quite the food fight. LOL
So if Hitler, or Nancy Pelosi or anyone who aborts babies eats of that bread, they live eternally with the Father...
really hope that you understand the words of Jesus and accept them.
You're just fooling yourself...If you believed what you are trying to push on us you'd believe anyone who walks into a Catholic church and eats the wafer, that person is going to heaven...How can you even teach something that ridiculous to anyone???
Perhaps you will meet Judas there too.
Why is there a Judgment Day if everyone is saved.
I am glad that you know exactly that you and others are saved before you die and how God will judge their actions and faith.
Not impossible but I wouldn't bet on it...
Why is there a Judgment Day if everyone is saved.
I never said everyone was saved...You made that up...The judgment you plan on being at is for non Christians...Won't be a single Christian there...
Jesus doesn't go after good people to be Christians...Jesus goes after people who need a Savior...After being born again, the Holy Spirit leads people to be good...Some listen far better than others...
When Jesus presents us to God, no doubt God sometimes says, 'that's a pretty bad one you got there'...and Jesus says, 'yes he is but he's still mine'...
I am glad that you know exactly that you and others are saved before you die and how God will judge their actions and faith.
Somehow I don't believe you...Why would we not know how God judges us??? He tells us in the scriptures...
Fixed it for you. The question is now back to you.
Well said.
Wait..what? Then why do Catholics change the bread into flesh?
On the contrary, anyone who teaches eating of flesh and blood is ignoring the God of the Bible because He said this...
Don't eat the blood, the life is in the blood
Genesis 9:4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life , that is, its blood.
Leviticus 3:17 It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.”
Leviticus 7:26-27 Moreover, you shall eat no blood whatever, whether of fowl or of animal, in any of your dwelling places. Whoever eats any blood, that person shall be cut off from his people.”
Leviticus 17:10-14 “If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, No person among you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger who sojourns among you eat blood.
“Any one also of the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among them, who takes in hunting any beast or bird that may be eaten shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth. For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.
Leviticus 19:26 “You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.
Deuteronomy 12:16 Only you shall not eat the blood ; you shall pour it out on the earth like water.
Deuteronomy 12:23 Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life , and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only you shall not eat its blood; you shall pour it out on the ground like water.
Acts 15:12-29 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:
“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Jesus CANNOT break the Law.
He did not come to do away with the Law but to fulfill it.
If He did not fulfill it completely, if He had broken it, He would have also been made a liar.
He could NOT have eaten blood, nor commanded anyone else to in violation of the Law.
That would have rendered Him ineligible to be the perfect, spotless lamb of God to take away the sins of the world, as He would have had sin Himself.
Matthew 5:17-20 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
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