Posted on 09/13/2014 10:57:00 AM PDT by Salvation
What proportion of their prayer lives do individual Catholics giving to honoring Mary, or asking her to pray for us, and how do you know?
How sad to put so much into someone who can do nothing for them.
I dare you.
If they pray the rosary, a lot.
Fifty Hail Mary’s for how many Our Father’s?
Ten?
Exactly my point.
It would cover them even if they don’t avail themselves.
It just wouldn’t be applied.
That is much what the Church of Rome has done since time of Pope Damasus, corrupting that which was tradition, subtly shifting (much but not all of it) to better suit it's own whims and convenience.
Singular papacy -- not found in earliest traditions.
The more one investigates, the worse it appears.
Try preaching the Gospel for a change, instead of preaching The Roman Catholic Church instead.
Then someone may hear you, and that be later found to be truly of Him, built upon nothing but Him (upon which no other foundation can a man build, as it is written) and that survive the coming fire.
Meanwhile, such things as the Virgin of Guadalupe image (which you referred to as the tilma of Juan Diego) is one of the precise sort of frauds which is evidence of anything BUT actual miracles, betraying in it's very essences the layers of deceit (accompanied with theological error, along with a bit of it's own troublesome, not-so-holy history) which is sadly enough endemic to Roman Catholicism, just about anywhere one cares to look.
It just wouldn’t be applied.
So they DO have to co-operate, that is, avail themselves.
You stated that Born again saved people were not capable of acting in an immoral manner. I provided the names of several people that have claimed to be both born again and saved, yet after making these public declarations have acted contrary to your claims.
At this point an ethical person would pause and re-examine their beliefs in light of new evidence. An intellectually honest person would see the dichotomy and try to understand the contradiction. They would do this rather than make smug sanctimonious comments about the person telling them the truth by pointing out the flaws in their logic.
What are you 6?
It is a shame that you dishonor Blessed Virgin Mary the Mother of Jesus and suggest that the Catholic Church and its members treat her as God.
That is blasphemy, and certainly not the Truth.
Yes, Catholics are devoted to Mary as the only human without sin as she followed the will of God as a humble handmaiden. Mary is certainly closer to God in Heaven than we are. We honor her sacrifices and her selflessness in following God’s will.
Yes we pray, HAIL MARY full of grace so that she may intercede with her son Jesus.
Why are you so afraid of Mary and the Catholic teachings? Do you not believe that we should all have respect for the mother of our savior and our spiritual mother?
By: Thomas Merton
This is often forgotten by Catholics themselves, and therefore it is not surprising that those who are not Catholic often have a completely wrong conception of Catholic devotion to the Mother of God. They imagine, and sometimes we can understand their reasons for doing so, that Catholics treat the Blessed Virgin as an almost divine being in her own right, as if she had some glory, some power, some majesty of her own that placed her on a level with Christ Himself. They regard the Assumption of Mary into heaven as a kind of apotheosis placed in the Redemption would seem to be equal to that of her Son. +++ But this is all completely contrary to the true mind of the Catholic Church.+++ It forgets that Mary’s chief glory is in her nothingness, in the fact of being the “Handmaid of the Lord,” as one who in becoming the Mother of God acted simply in loving submission to His command, in the pure obedience of faith. She is blessed not because of some mythical pseudo-divine prerogative, but in all her human and womanly limitations as one who has believed. It is the faith and the fidelity of this humble handmaid, “full of grace” that enables her to be the perfect instrument of God, and nothing else but His instrument. The work that was done in her purely the work of God. “He that is mighty hath done great things in me.” The glory of Mary is purely and simply the glory of God in her. and she, like anyone else, can say that she has nothing that she has not received from Him through Christ.
As a matter of fact, this is precisely her greatest glory: that having nothing of her own, retaining nothing of a “self” that could glory in any- thing for her own sake, she placed no obstacle to the mercy of God and in no way resisted His love and His will. Hence she received more from Him than any other saint. he was able to accomplish His will perfectly in her, and His liberty was in no way hindered or turned from its purpose by the presence of an egotistical self in Mary. She was and is in the highest sense a person precisely because, being “immaculate,” she was free from every taint of selfishness that might obscure God’s light in her being. She was then a freedom that obeyed Him perfectly and in this obedience found the fulfill- ment of perfect love.
The genuine significance of Catholic devotion to Mary is to be seen in the light of the Incarnation itself. The Church cannot separate the Son and the Mother. Because the Church conceived of the Incarnation as God’s descent into flesh and into time, and His great gift of Himself to His creatures, she also believes that the one who was closest to Him in this great mystery was the one who participated most perfectly in the gift. When a room is heated by an open flame, surely there is nothing strange in the fact that those who stand closest to the fireplace are the ones who are warmest. And when God comes into the world through the instrumentality of one of His servants, then there is nothing surprising about the fact that His chosen instrument should have the greatest and most intimate share in the divine gift.
Mary, who was empty of all egotism, free from all sin, was as pure as the glass of a very clean window that has no other function than to admit the light of the sun (Son). If we rejoice in that light, we implicitly praise the cleanness of the window. And of course it might be argued that in such a case we might well forget the window altogether. This is true. And yet the Son of God, in emptying Himself of His majestic power, having become a child, abandoning Himself in complete dependence to the loving care of a human Mother, in a certain sense draws our attention once again to her. The Light has wished to remind us of the window, because He is grateful to her and because He has an infinitely tender love, it is certainly a great grace and a privilege, and one of the most important aspects of this privilege is that it enables us to some extent to appreciate the mystery of God’s great love and respect for His creatures.
That God should assume Mary into heaven is not just a glorification of a “Mother Goddess.” Quite the contrary, it is the expression of the divine love for humanity, and a very special manifestation of God’s respect for His creatures, His desire to do honor to the beings He has made in His own image, and most particularly His respect for the body which was destined to be the temple of His glory. If Mary is believed to be assumed into heaven, it is because we too are one day, by the grace of God, to dwell where she is. If human nature is glorified in her, it is because God desires it to be glorified in us too, and it is for this reason that His Son, taking flesh, came into the world.
In all the great mystery of Mary, then, one thing remains most clear: that of herself she is nothing, and that God has for our sakes delighted to manifest His glory and His love in her.
It is because she is, of all the saints, the most perfectly poor and the most perfectly hidden, the one who has absolutely nothing whatever that she attempts to possess as her own, that she can most fully communicate to the rest of us the grace of the infinitely selfless God. And we will most truly possess Him when we have emptied ourselves and become poor and hidden as she is, resembling Him by resembling her.
And all our sanctity depends on her maternal love. The ones she desires to share the joy of her own poverty and simplicity, the ones whom she wills to be hidden as she is hidden, are the ones who share her closeness to God.
Why don't you believe what scripture says? Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
The rest of your post is simply Catholic propaganda.
Your commnet: That verse they use as a proof text for eating flesh and drinking blood, violates the entire weight of Scripture up to that point. Jesus could not have done it.
How do you know? Are you saying that Jesus was not truthful?
You do not accept the word of Jesus. You do not believe. You are not required to accept the teachings of the Catholic Church, but I do not understand why you do not believe when Jesus says something very clearly.
Many have tried to inform you, but need faith and inspiration from the Holy Spirit to fully understand.
2Th_2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
It's not just any letter, it's an epistle...Scripture...
So your religion is falsely claiming that this allows your popes (or whoever) to create future tradition and pass it on to you guys as actual truth...Equal to scripture...
If that was true, and of course it is not, following along in the same scripture, it allows people in your religion to write new epistles and claim them as legitimate scripture...
The way your religion teaches that verse is:
2Th_2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, or will be taught in the future, whether by word, or our epistle...
sorry, but that get's your name taken out of the book of life...
2Co 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
Appears somebody in your neck of the woods is handling the word of God deceitfully...Craftiness, dishonesty...
No. Not co-operate. That’s works
Accept Christ in faith.
Your reading comprehension is sadly lacking.
I did not say that.
Do it.
Focus on Jesus for a whole month and ignore Mary.
Hey, I'm not the one who makes those claims. Those are not my words about Mary.
I'm just pointing out what the Catholic church does. I am not responsible for its actions and words.
That is blasphemy, and certainly not the Truth.
Yes, addressing Mary in those terms IS blasphemy and not Truth.
There's NO WHERE in Scripture where any of that nonsense is to be found.
Yes we pray, HAIL MARY full of grace so that she may intercede with her son Jesus.
We can come boldly to the throne of grace OURSELVES.
Jesus promised us that the Father would hear and answer our prayers Himself. It's really too bad that Catholics don't believe that and have to feel that they can get what they want out of God easier through praying to a dead person than going to the Father themselves.
Why are you so afraid of Mary and the Catholic teachings?
I don't fear anything about Mary and don't fear anything from the Catholic church.
Exposing it's false teachings about Mary is not fear.
The Catholic church can't touch me and cannot touch my soul. My salvation is secure in Christ because I've been sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. He is my guarantee of the inheritance I have in Christ.
Do you not believe that we should all have respect for the mother of our savior and our spiritual mother?
Respect is one thing. Idolatry is another.
Because if Jesus violated the Law in consuming blood, He would have sinned, become a law breaker, and could have not been the spotless, sinless Lamb of God who could take away the sins of the world.
The only reason His death was efficacious was that He was without sin. That's the only reason He could conquer sin and death.
If he had broken the Law, He would have sinned.
Therefore, He could not have eaten His flesh or drank his blood. It would have been impossible.
Y'all need to think through what you believe once in a while.
How do you know?
How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?
How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?
What is your source for verifying all of the above?
Please provide the sources for verification purposes.
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