Posted on 08/31/2014 6:59:37 PM PDT by ebb tide
Just like in the NT church. Somewhat refreshing to see the traditional wolf vs the modern sheep's ecumenical clothing. But both holding to the foundationally contrary RC basis for Truth than what the church began under, sadly resulting in damnation and more errors.
**resulting in damnation and more errors**
According to whose authority and judgment?
The pope, for better or worse IS the pope. If some cardinal archbishop makes a fool of himself celebrating perversion it would not be the first time nor likely the last. I would suggest Leo Cardinal Suenens and Joseph Cardinal Bernardin and Roger Cardinal McPhony likely were each guilty of far worse.
What constitutes justice or injustice is likely beyond any authority of yours.
It is not whether you or I see schism or counterrevolution (did someone authorize your counter-revolution against legitimately constituted Church authorities?) but rather the fact that St. John Paul II rightfully declared Marcel and his SSPX friends to BE IN SCHISM. If that does not constitute an obligation of assent imposed upon you, what makes you any different from the Reformers, from the others who have resisted papal authority through the 20 centuries since Jesus Christ created the papacy in Peter not some obscure stiff-necked French cleric bound and determined by his fantasies of grandeur to rebel against Christ's Vicar on Earth.
Oh, and what was the injustice? That Saint John Paul II saw no reason to obey the French pipsqueak???? PUHLEEEEZE!
What's next? Here I stand, I can do no other?
Dead, excommunicated Marcel!
BE: In better times, the schismatics would have all, after due inquiry and a brief opportunity for repentance, been burned at the stake.
True Catholicism showing its colors again.....
I'll wear the label of *failed Catholic* like a badge of honor in that case.
I just didn't have that kind of bloodlust in me.
This is somehow your Reformed business because.....?????? You serve to remind me of why I, as a Catholic, make a point of not trying to tell the Reformed what their religion is or ought to be. It is simply none of my business as Catholicism is none of yours.
“Dead, excommunicated Marcel! “
The excommunication was lifted. But you know that, right?
How many Roman Catholic bishops are there in Kazakhstan?
Catholicism makes it our business when they make me, or any other person who has left the Catholic church, the object of that kind of treatment.
Those words about burning people at the stake aren’t spoken in a vacuum.
Those are real flesh and blood humans that you are talking about torturing to death by burning at the stake, and for what? Disagreeing with Catholicism.
It then becomes the business of EVERY non-Catholic since they are the objects of that kind of treatment of Catholics with that mindset.
And just where in Scripture is that kind of treatment of others who disagree with Jesus ever justified, condoned, encouraged, or even just mentioned?
What was Jesus’ response to those who crucified Him?
Thank you for alerting us to this un-authorized use of our postings.
A couple of people quoted have died.....what disrespect that is to have their quotes there. I have also asked for mine to be removed. I gave no permission for this plagiarism.
Thank you for alerting us to this un-authorized use of our postings.
A couple of people quoted have died.....what disrespect that is to have their quotes there. I have also asked for mine to be removed. I gave no permission for this plagiarism.
What plagiarism?
Nobody is passing those quotes off as their own material.
If someone is going to post something on the open forum for all to see and the posts have not been removed, they are still there for all to see.
If y’all don’t want to own y’alls words, then don’t post them in the first place.
Once it’s on the internet, it’s fair game. No different than someone posting an inappropriate image of themselves and having it go viral.
If y’all don’t want your quotes spread around, then don’t put them up.
Nevertheless, I believe it is not Christian to do that with the specific person’s permission. God can be the judge. Good night.
Maybe I am missing something in the cited article, but I find no reference to Bishop Schneider's diocese or residence in Kazakhstan and we live in times when many falsely claim authority.
Wherever a Williamson or LeFebvre may be found, it is NOT in the Roman Catholic Church. Of course, Williamson may have some claim. Benedict XVI lifted his excommunication before realizing his, ummm, thoroughly eccentric Holocaust denying views. If he was excommunicated again, it would begin to seem like a tennis match. An interesting question is whether Fellay may have the power to excommunicate Williamson from the SSPX schism after Williamson's excommunication was lifted by Benedict XVI. The mind doth boggle in dealing with Schismaticland!
See #28.
Name a single instance in which I have advocated burning at the stake Reformed Christians who identify as such. When WAS the last instance of a burning at the stake by Roman Catholic Church authorities or by secular authority after judgment by Church authority?
If we are to deal with centuries old history, the Salem Witchcraft trials were not before Catholic authority. Nor were some of the festivities at Geneva. Or those under Henry VIII or Lizzie I.
I will also ask of you one question, and answer me. By whose authority and judgment did common folk follow an itinerant preacher in the desert who was rejected by the magisterium, and on why basis did another itinerant preacher who invoked him when asked of His authority establish his Truth claims? Was it the premise of assured personal infallibility, or Scriptural substantiation? . Answer me.
Is your RC argument is that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth (including writings and men being of God) and to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith, and authority.
And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that Rome is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus those who dissent from the latter are in rebellion to God?
This is just one more division among RCs, as other RCs manifestly disagree, as they keep on trying to tell the Reformed what their religion is or ought to be. And for our part Catholicism is our business, as in Scripture we are exhorted,
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:11)
Sorry! Marcel died before Benedict XVI became pope and lifted the excommunications of the others. The same fate befell the otherwise noble Bishop Castro de Meyer of Campos, Brazil. The declaration of schism seems never to have been lifted as to any of them.
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