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To: Daffy
Do you want to take a crack at rationalizing Marvelous Marcel's direct violation of orders by Saint JP II NOT to consecrate the Econe 4, which also violated Marcel's own pledge NOT to do so? Who died and left Marcel in charge of choosing bishops much less a clown car that included Williamson (subsequently expelled by SSPX) and de Mallerais?

The pope, for better or worse IS the pope. If some cardinal archbishop makes a fool of himself celebrating perversion it would not be the first time nor likely the last. I would suggest Leo Cardinal Suenens and Joseph Cardinal Bernardin and Roger Cardinal McPhony likely were each guilty of far worse.

What constitutes justice or injustice is likely beyond any authority of yours.

It is not whether you or I see schism or counterrevolution (did someone authorize your counter-revolution against legitimately constituted Church authorities?) but rather the fact that St. John Paul II rightfully declared Marcel and his SSPX friends to BE IN SCHISM. If that does not constitute an obligation of assent imposed upon you, what makes you any different from the Reformers, from the others who have resisted papal authority through the 20 centuries since Jesus Christ created the papacy in Peter not some obscure stiff-necked French cleric bound and determined by his fantasies of grandeur to rebel against Christ's Vicar on Earth.

Oh, and what was the injustice? That Saint John Paul II saw no reason to obey the French pipsqueak???? PUHLEEEEZE!

What's next? Here I stand, I can do no other?

Dead, excommunicated Marcel!

44 posted on 09/01/2014 8:09:16 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: BlackElk

“Dead, excommunicated Marcel! “

The excommunication was lifted. But you know that, right?


47 posted on 09/01/2014 8:15:09 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: BlackElk
What's next? Here I stand, I can do no other?

Now THIS is downright vicious!

85 posted on 09/02/2014 6:23:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlackElk

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. It takes strength and courage to defend the indefensible, and you’ve got some things right.

“The pope, for better or worse IS the pope.” correct
“ If some cardinal archbishop . . .” correct
“I would suggest . . .[others] . . . guilty of far worse. “ correct

“. . . violation of orders by Saint JP II NOT to consecrate . . .” not exactly. He was told he would eventuallly be allowed a successor, but not now, not now, waiting for the elderly Archbishop to die and thus weaken the Society (he died 3 years later at age 85).

“What constitutes justice or injustice . . .” depends on authority? false

“. . . John Paul II rightfully declared Marcel and his SSPX friends to BE IN SCHISM.” close, but not quite. The Pope did not declare schism, but referred to a “schismatic act.”

“obscure stiff-necked French cleric” - “the French pipsqueak” false and false
He was diocesan priest, missionary priest, seminary rector, Apostalic Vicar (Dakar), Apostolic Delegate (papal representative French Africa), Superior General of the Holy Ghost Fathers, member of the Central Preparatory Commission (Vatican II), taken retirement at age 64.

I wish you could use your considerable talent and power of persuasion to combat the true enemies of all Christianity, such as Westar Institute/Jesus Seminar. But I suppose you’re busy and have your assignment.


106 posted on 09/02/2014 7:42:55 AM PDT by Daffy
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