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Bishop Schneider Says Traditional Catholics Are Not “Extremest”, But Rather The Hope For The Future
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Bishop Schneider Says Traditional Catholics Are Not “Extremest”, But Rather The Hope For The Future

Posted on August 29, 2014 by

Bishop Schneider had an interview published in the June 6th 2014 CatholicHerald.co.uk, “We Are In The Fourth Great Crisis Of The Church“.  If you have the time please read the whole great article.  Here I have attempted to only highlight the main points in the article.

schneiderIn his interview he said we are in the fourth great crisis of the Church.  This is spearheaded by the liberals in the Church who are collaborating with, what he calls, the “new paganism” and this is actually driving the Catholic Church towards a split.  In this collaboration, we see something like what happened with the fourth-century Arian heresy in which “a large part of the Church hierarchy was implicated”.

The root and cause of this crisis he says is “the “banal” and casual treatment of the Blessed Sacrament by clergy, including some of those in positions of authority, and the laity, who are going along with secular society.  

“The Eucharist is at the heart of the Church,” he said. “When the heart is weak, the whole body is weak.”  He strongly believes that receiving Holy Communion in hand contributes gradually to the loss of the belief in the Real Presence and in transubstantiation.  

It seems that the majority of the clergy and the bishops are content with this modern use of Communion in hand… For me this is incredible. How is this possible, when Jesus is present in the little Hosts?  There is the grievous fact of the loss of the Eucharistic fragments. And the fragments of the consecrated Host are crushed by feet. This is horrible! Our God, in our churches, is trampled by feet!  It is time that the bishops (should) raise their voices for the Eucharistic Jesus who has no voice to defend himself.  Here is an attack on the Most Holy, an attack on the Eucharistic faith.”

vaticanIIHe acknowledges that we have been in this crisis for the last 50 years, (Since Vatican II), with great confusion over doctrine and liturgy.  An example of this “confusion” is clear in the preparation of the Extraordinary Synod coming up this October in Rome:

“I think this issue of the reception of Holy Communion by the remarried will blow up and show the real crisis in the Church. The real crisis of the Church is anthropocentrism and the forgetting of Christo-centrism….  This is the deepest evil: 1) man, or the clergy, putting themselves in the centre when they are celebrating liturgy, (in some churches God, in the tabernacle, is put in a corner, while the priest takes centre stage), and 2) when clergy change the revealed truth of God, for instance, concerning the Sixth Commandment and human sexuality.”  (In this he is referring to homosexuals and divorced people living together or in a second marriage.)

He is very critical of trying to change Catholic pastoral practices, (like giving communion to people living in sin and then calling it mercy).  “This is a kind of sophism.  It is comparable to a doctor who gives a diabetic patient sugar, although he knows it will kill him.”

He says: “Unfortunately there were … members of the clergy and even bishops who put grains of incense in front of the statue of the emperor or of a pagan idol or who delivered the books of the Holy Scripture to be burned. Such collaborationist Christians and clerics were called in those times thurificati or traitors.  We also have those who collaborate, or are traitors of the Faith today”. Laurence_Martyrdom of_CAMPI, AntonioSt Lawrence’s Martyrdom

As a consequence of liberal clergy and laity, he see a split coming eventually.  “I can presume that such a separation will affect each level of Catholics: lay people and even not excluding the high clergy.”

He hopes that this split will eventually lead to a renewal of the Church in a traditional way.   The present “anthropocentric” [man-centred] clerical system will collapse. “This liberal clerical edifice will crash down because they have no roots and no fruits.”   There are hardly any vocations in any of the ordinary dioceses or religious orders.

Bishop Schneider warns that “traditional Catholics may, for a time, be persecuted or discriminated against, even at the behest of those who have “power in the exterior structures of the Church”.  All of us traditional Catholics are already badly persecuted by the people in power in the Church.  Each one of us can tell our own story.

schneiderIn the end, he says “The Supreme Magisterium” will restate clear doctrinal statement, and no longer will go along with neo-pagan world and ideas.  The lack of clarity in the documents of Vatican II has led to this confusion.

When asked if, as a bishop, it is difficult to speak out against what is happening in the Church, he said; “It is quite insignificant to be popular or unpopular. For every member of the clergy, their first interest should be to be popular in the eyes of God and not in the eyes of today or of the powerful. Jesus said a warning: ‘Woe to you when people speak well of you.’”  

He went on: “Popularity is false… Great saints of the Church, such as Thomas More and John Fisher, rejected popularity… those today who are worried about the popularity of the mass media and public opinion… will be remembered as cowards and not as heroes of the Faith.”Thomas More_Frick_1527

Many “Catholics” who go along with the pagan world, are considered “good” Catholics, while “those who are faithful to the Catholic faith or those who are promoting the glory of Christ in the liturgy, are labelled extremists”.

He also brought up the issue of the poor, which for the liberals seems to trump over morals or sacred liturgy.    We see this when so many Catholics voted for a president who is for murdering of the unborn babies.  They justified this because he is “supposedly” for the poor.  Bishop Schneider contradicts this idea: “This is erroneous. The first commandment which Christ gave us was to adore God alone. Liturgy is not a meeting of friends. It is our first task to adore and glorify God in the liturgy and also in our manner of life. From a true adoration and love of God grows love for the poor and our neighbour. It is a consequence.”

He ends by saying that the traditional Catholics “have kept the purity of their faith and they represent the true power of the Church in the eyes of God and not those who are in administration.”

He ends on a positive note: “I am not worried about the future. The Church is Christ’s Church and He is the real head of the Church, the Pope is only the vicar of Christ. The soul of the Church is the Holy Spirit and He is powerful.”  

Andrew_martyrdom_MURILLO_Bartolom_EstebanSo all of you traditional Catholic bishops, priests, religious and people reading this, you are the ones that Bishop Schneider has said will keep the Catholic faith pure and continuing.  After most of the other bishops, religious, priests, and other “Catholics” continuously put you down, know that God is listening and at least there is one bishop who acknowledges the precious value you have for God’s Catholic Church.  Thank you for your heroic virtues of standing strong while everything seems to be collapsing around us and no one in the Church seems to care.  God and Mary do.

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To: BlackElk; metmom; boatbums; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; CynicalBear; mitch5501; ...
In better times, the schismatics would have all, after due inquiry and a brief opportunity for repentance, been burned at the stake.

Just like in the NT church. Somewhat refreshing to see the traditional wolf vs the modern sheep's ecumenical clothing. But both holding to the foundationally contrary RC basis for Truth than what the church began under, sadly resulting in damnation and more errors.

41 posted on 09/01/2014 8:01:56 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; BlackElk

**resulting in damnation and more errors**

According to whose authority and judgment?


42 posted on 09/01/2014 8:03:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: daniel1212

43 posted on 09/01/2014 8:05:09 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: Daffy
Do you want to take a crack at rationalizing Marvelous Marcel's direct violation of orders by Saint JP II NOT to consecrate the Econe 4, which also violated Marcel's own pledge NOT to do so? Who died and left Marcel in charge of choosing bishops much less a clown car that included Williamson (subsequently expelled by SSPX) and de Mallerais?

The pope, for better or worse IS the pope. If some cardinal archbishop makes a fool of himself celebrating perversion it would not be the first time nor likely the last. I would suggest Leo Cardinal Suenens and Joseph Cardinal Bernardin and Roger Cardinal McPhony likely were each guilty of far worse.

What constitutes justice or injustice is likely beyond any authority of yours.

It is not whether you or I see schism or counterrevolution (did someone authorize your counter-revolution against legitimately constituted Church authorities?) but rather the fact that St. John Paul II rightfully declared Marcel and his SSPX friends to BE IN SCHISM. If that does not constitute an obligation of assent imposed upon you, what makes you any different from the Reformers, from the others who have resisted papal authority through the 20 centuries since Jesus Christ created the papacy in Peter not some obscure stiff-necked French cleric bound and determined by his fantasies of grandeur to rebel against Christ's Vicar on Earth.

Oh, and what was the injustice? That Saint John Paul II saw no reason to obey the French pipsqueak???? PUHLEEEEZE!

What's next? Here I stand, I can do no other?

Dead, excommunicated Marcel!

44 posted on 09/01/2014 8:09:16 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: BlackElk; Gamecock
Yo, Gamecock. Another one for your homepage.

BE: In better times, the schismatics would have all, after due inquiry and a brief opportunity for repentance, been burned at the stake.

True Catholicism showing its colors again.....

I'll wear the label of *failed Catholic* like a badge of honor in that case.

I just didn't have that kind of bloodlust in me.

45 posted on 09/01/2014 8:12:09 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: daniel1212

This is somehow your Reformed business because.....?????? You serve to remind me of why I, as a Catholic, make a point of not trying to tell the Reformed what their religion is or ought to be. It is simply none of my business as Catholicism is none of yours.


46 posted on 09/01/2014 8:13:23 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: BlackElk

“Dead, excommunicated Marcel! “

The excommunication was lifted. But you know that, right?


47 posted on 09/01/2014 8:15:09 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: narses

How many Roman Catholic bishops are there in Kazakhstan?


48 posted on 09/01/2014 8:22:55 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: BlackElk; daniel1212; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; Gamecock; ...

Catholicism makes it our business when they make me, or any other person who has left the Catholic church, the object of that kind of treatment.

Those words about burning people at the stake aren’t spoken in a vacuum.

Those are real flesh and blood humans that you are talking about torturing to death by burning at the stake, and for what? Disagreeing with Catholicism.

It then becomes the business of EVERY non-Catholic since they are the objects of that kind of treatment of Catholics with that mindset.

And just where in Scripture is that kind of treatment of others who disagree with Jesus ever justified, condoned, encouraged, or even just mentioned?

What was Jesus’ response to those who crucified Him?


49 posted on 09/01/2014 8:23:32 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Thank you for alerting us to this un-authorized use of our postings.

A couple of people quoted have died.....what disrespect that is to have their quotes there. I have also asked for mine to be removed. I gave no permission for this plagiarism.


50 posted on 09/01/2014 8:24:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom

Thank you for alerting us to this un-authorized use of our postings.

A couple of people quoted have died.....what disrespect that is to have their quotes there. I have also asked for mine to be removed. I gave no permission for this plagiarism.


51 posted on 09/01/2014 8:24:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Gamecock

What plagiarism?

Nobody is passing those quotes off as their own material.

If someone is going to post something on the open forum for all to see and the posts have not been removed, they are still there for all to see.

If y’all don’t want to own y’alls words, then don’t post them in the first place.

Once it’s on the internet, it’s fair game. No different than someone posting an inappropriate image of themselves and having it go viral.

If y’all don’t want your quotes spread around, then don’t put them up.


52 posted on 09/01/2014 8:29:03 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: BlackElk

http://catholic-kazakhstan.org/


53 posted on 09/01/2014 8:29:33 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: metmom; Religion Moderator; Gamecock

Nevertheless, I believe it is not Christian to do that with the specific person’s permission. God can be the judge. Good night.


54 posted on 09/01/2014 8:35:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ebb tide
If you attend FSSP Masses, then bear in mind that their order was started by SSPX defectors who had experienced quite enough of Marcel's ecclesiastical revolution and wished to return to Holy Mother the Church. I attend the Masses of the Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest.

Maybe I am missing something in the cited article, but I find no reference to Bishop Schneider's diocese or residence in Kazakhstan and we live in times when many falsely claim authority.

Wherever a Williamson or LeFebvre may be found, it is NOT in the Roman Catholic Church. Of course, Williamson may have some claim. Benedict XVI lifted his excommunication before realizing his, ummm, thoroughly eccentric Holocaust denying views. If he was excommunicated again, it would begin to seem like a tennis match. An interesting question is whether Fellay may have the power to excommunicate Williamson from the SSPX schism after Williamson's excommunication was lifted by Benedict XVI. The mind doth boggle in dealing with Schismaticland!

See #28.

55 posted on 09/01/2014 8:38:58 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: Salvation
**Nevertheless, I believe it is not Christian to do that without the specific person’s permission. God can be the judge. Good night.
56 posted on 09/01/2014 8:42:45 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom
I don't recall you claiming to be a member in good standing of the Roman Catholic Church. You left, having made your own decision to do so. You have been honest about that decision. Therefore, Catholics ought, in good faith, to judge you accordingly for all the good things you do here and this is not the first time I have posted that as to you. If people refuse to believe what Catholics believe, but also refuse to identify as other than Catholic, that is a different story.

Name a single instance in which I have advocated burning at the stake Reformed Christians who identify as such. When WAS the last instance of a burning at the stake by Roman Catholic Church authorities or by secular authority after judgment by Church authority?

If we are to deal with centuries old history, the Salem Witchcraft trials were not before Catholic authority. Nor were some of the festivities at Geneva. Or those under Henry VIII or Lizzie I.

57 posted on 09/01/2014 8:50:05 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: Salvation
According to whose authority and judgment?

I will also ask of you one question, and answer me. By whose authority and judgment did common folk follow an itinerant preacher in the desert who was rejected by the magisterium, and on why basis did another itinerant preacher who invoked him when asked of His authority establish his Truth claims? Was it the premise of assured personal infallibility, or Scriptural substantiation? . Answer me.

Is your RC argument is that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth (including writings and men being of God) and to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith, and authority.

And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that Rome is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus those who dissent from the latter are in rebellion to God?

58 posted on 09/01/2014 8:50:35 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: BlackElk
You serve to remind me of why I, as a Catholic, make a point of not trying to tell the Reformed what their religion is or ought to be. It is simply none of my business as Catholicism is none of yours.

This is just one more division among RCs, as other RCs manifestly disagree, as they keep on trying to tell the Reformed what their religion is or ought to be. And for our part Catholicism is our business, as in Scripture we are exhorted,

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:11)

59 posted on 09/01/2014 8:54:00 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: narses

Sorry! Marcel died before Benedict XVI became pope and lifted the excommunications of the others. The same fate befell the otherwise noble Bishop Castro de Meyer of Campos, Brazil. The declaration of schism seems never to have been lifted as to any of them.


60 posted on 09/01/2014 8:54:39 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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