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How Sex is Derailing Lutheran-Orthodox Dialogue
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| 7/8/14
| Mathew Block
Posted on 07/08/2014 7:52:36 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
If the left cannot spread their corruption to that other church, there will be no merger.
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posted on
07/08/2014 7:55:12 PM PDT
by
GeronL
(Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
To: marshmallow
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posted on
07/08/2014 7:57:39 PM PDT
by
yldstrk
( My heroes have always been cowboys)
To: marshmallow
Metropolitan Hilarion summarized the problems at play in Orthodox-Lutheran dialogue in an interview with Der Spiegel. Many Protestant churches have liberalized their notions of ethics, giving a theological justification to homosexuality and blessing same-sex couples, he said. Some refuse to consider abortion to be a sin. We do not share the understanding of the Church and church order, especially as the Protestants, unlike the Orthodox and Catholic Churches, ordain women.
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posted on
07/08/2014 7:58:23 PM PDT
by
iowamark
(I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
To: marshmallow
it isn’t welcomed - women pastors - in LCMS or WELS.
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posted on
07/08/2014 8:01:04 PM PDT
by
Secret Agent Man
( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
To: marshmallow
We have to come together on this issue, else how can we get this ecumenical movement snowballing into a one world religion?
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posted on
07/08/2014 8:05:07 PM PDT
by
BipolarBob
(Obama - The Scandal a Week President.)
To: BipolarBob
If you’re Christian, you have to be for “one world religion”.
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posted on
07/08/2014 8:09:35 PM PDT
by
Romulus
To: marshmallow
I wonder how the secret dialogue between the Catholic Church and the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod is going?
To: Romulus
“If youre Christian, you have to be for one world religion.”
Yep. Protestants often just don’t get that.
To: marshmallow
How perceptive. Yes, for us Orthodox, women’s ordination to the presbyterate is a complete non-starter — even if another body confessed the creed without the filioque, held all the doctrines of the Seven Ecumenical Councils, maintained the Palamite understanding of grace, if they ordain women as priests, the Orthodox will not enter into communion with them.
The diaconate might be another matter. There plainly was an ancient order of deaconesses, but whether they ever functioned liturgically as deacons is a matter of great dispute, and the affirmative position that they did must be tempered with the fact that ancient canons forbid women entering the altar unless the be virgins over the age of 40 or widows living in chastity over the age of 60. There is also general opposition to any attempt to revive the order of deaconess.
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posted on
07/08/2014 8:31:16 PM PDT
by
The_Reader_David
(And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
To: Secret Agent Man
LCMS and WELS together add up to fewer than 3 million members--Combined, a sect of fewer than 1 in a hundred Americans. Hardly worth the noise they make.
They ought to consider rejoining the Mother Church, with whom they share more than with their apostate lutheran relatives.
To: marshmallow; lightman
If Lutherans want unity with us Orthodox, they have to BECOME Orthodox!!!!
It’s the only way. Just getting rid of women/gay/transsexual pastors and “bishops” won’t work.
Trust me. I know!!!!
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posted on
07/08/2014 8:32:16 PM PDT
by
Honorary Serb
(Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
To: hinckley buzzard
“share more”
we don’t join with those in more error, why we’d join with those with perhaps a little less error/different errors...? not a great biblical argument for joining. it’s still unionism/syncretism, but just a different flavor.
and i know you’ll say the same thing about lutherans vs rcc, so there we are.
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posted on
07/08/2014 10:24:25 PM PDT
by
Secret Agent Man
( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
To: hinckley buzzard
hey don’t discount 1%.
1% of the population has made all the fortune 500 companies bend over for being pro-gay. the entire business climate revolves around sodomites’/as customers and the only stuf getting any political coverage besides the border and the caliphate the last year is gay everything.
1% can do just fine, especially when they’re on the good side.
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posted on
07/08/2014 10:28:01 PM PDT
by
Secret Agent Man
( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
To: marshmallow
“Rev. Dr. Jennifer...”
I see part of the problem.
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posted on
07/08/2014 10:30:26 PM PDT
by
Roos_Girl
(The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
To: Secret Agent Man
it isnt welcomed - women pastors - in LCMS or WELS. And yet they aren't the kind of Lutherans that the Catholic Church wants to be ecumenical with. Funny thing that.
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posted on
07/08/2014 11:13:59 PM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
To: Alex Murphy
it’s b/c they are genuine lutherans. they don’t compromise. they understand what unionism and syncretism mean.
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posted on
07/08/2014 11:15:26 PM PDT
by
Secret Agent Man
( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
To: vladimir998
Sure we do.
But it won’t be unBiblical.
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posted on
07/09/2014 1:42:52 AM PDT
by
Gamecock
(There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...
Lutheran Ping!
Be rooted in Christ!
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posted on
07/09/2014 1:44:55 AM PDT
by
lightman
(O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
To: The_Reader_David
The diaconate might be another matter. There plainly was an ancient order of deaconesses, but whether they ever functioned liturgically as deacons is a matter of great dispute, and the affirmative position that they did must be tempered with the fact that ancient canons forbid women entering the altar unless the be virgins over the age of 40 or widows living in chastity over the age of 60. There is also general opposition to any attempt to revive the order of deaconess. AOCA Metropolitan PHILIP (Memory Eternal!) spoke favorably of women in the diaconate...it is in his authorized biography.
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posted on
07/09/2014 1:49:17 AM PDT
by
lightman
(O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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