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Pope Responds to Rush Limbaugh
Catholic in the Ozarks ^ | December 16, 2013

Posted on 12/16/2013 3:41:05 PM PST by NYer

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If Rush Limbaugh were to say this Monday that his accusation of Marxism in the papacy provoked a response from the pope himself, he would be 100% right.  Pope Francis responded to the following question in his latest interview with Andrea Tornielli (Vatican Insider)...
TORNIELLI: Some of the passages in the “Evangelii Gaudium” attracted the criticism of ultraconservatives in the USA. As a Pope, what does it feel like to be called a “Marxist”? 
POPE FRANCIS: “The Marxist ideology is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don’t feel offended.”
The term "ultraconservatives in the USA" is umbrella speak for Rush Limbaugh and those who followed his lead in the right-wing media.  If you would like to see Limbaugh's monologue that led to this little exchange between "golden EIB microphone" and the Chair of Peter, I have linked to a video here in a previous article.

In Limbaugh's own words: "this is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope."  Pope Francis responds in his own words: "The Marxist ideology is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don’t feel offended." 

There is it folks.  Marxism is wrong.  Period.  Now we shouldn't be surprised about this should we?  The popes have been railing against Marxism for 120 years now.  Why should this one be any different.  The Holy Father goes on, so as to show a little charity toward Mr. Limbaugh and gang.  "I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don’t feel offended."  He is not offended by the accusation.  Why? Because he has met many good (well intentioned) people in his life who are Marxists, so he doesn't view this as an insult.

Now that's pretty gracious.  I wish I could say I felt the same way when people call me a Marxist (and they do).  I tend to get a little upset when they do this, because not only is it untrue (I'm not a Marxist), but as an American, the very accusation seems rather "un-American" to me -- an insult to my nationality.  The pope is not burdened with the same nationality complex as I, so he doesn't take it in an offensive way.  Of course you're probably wondering why anyone would call me a Marxist in the first place.  I suppose they call me a Marxist for the same reason Rush Limbaugh said "this is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope." 

They lack imagination, and they are uneducated on this matter.

Yep, I said it.  I just called Rush Limbaugh unimaginative and uneducated -- on this issue.  Here is why I said it, and I pointed this out in my previous article.  I am a Distributist, and Distributism is an economic model that comes directly from papal teaching, stretching back 120 years to Pope Leo XIII papal encyclical Rerum Novarum.  Multiple encyclicals have been written on the topic since then, and each one carried far more weight than Pope Francis' recent apostolic exhortation Evangelii Gaudium.  So, you thought Pope Francis' words were politically charged? Wait till you read what previous popes have said, with more authority and weight of official Church teaching.  Here are just a few quotes...
"Hence by degrees it has come to pass that Working Men have been given over, isolated and defenseless, to the callousness of employers and the greed of unrestrained competition." -- Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum, #3 
"On the one side there is the party which holds the power because it holds the wealth; which has in its grasp all labor and all trade; which manipulates for its own benefit and its own purposes all the sources of supply, and which is powerfully represented in the councils of the State itself. On the other side there is the needy and powerless multitude, sore and suffering, always ready for disturbance." -- Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum, #47 
"Just as the unity of human society cannot be built upon “class” conflict, so the proper ordering of economic affairs cannot be left to the free play of rugged competition.  From this source, as from a polluted spring, have proceeded all the errors of the `individualistic’ school.  This school, forgetful or ignorant of the social and moral aspects of economic activities, regarded these as completely free and immune from any intervention by public authority, for they would have in the market place and in unregulated competition a principle of self-direction more suitable for guiding them than any created intellect which might intervene.  Free competition, however, though justified and quite useful within certain limits, cannot be an adequate controlling principle in economic affairs.  This has been abundantly proved by the consequences that have followed from the free rein given to these dangerous individualistic ideas." -- Pope Pius XI, Quadragesimo Anno, #88 
"Such a society ["a society of free work, of enterprise and of participation"] is not directed against the market, but demands that the market be appropriately controlled by the forces of society and by the State, so as to guarantee that the basic needs of the whole of society are satisfied." -- Pope John Paul II, Centesimus Annus, #35 
"It is the task of the State to provide for the defense and preservation of common goods such as the natural and human environments, which cannot be safeguarded simply by market forces." -- Pope John Paul II, Centesimus Annus, #40 
"There is a risk that a radical capitalistic ideology could spread which refuses even to consider these problems, in the a priori belief that any attempt to solve them is doomed to failure, and which blindly entrusts their solution to the free development of market forces." -- Pope John Paul II, Centesimus Annus, #42 
"The Western countries… run the risk of seeing [the collapse of Communism] as a one-sided victory of their own economic system, and thereby failing to make necessary corrections in that system." -- Pope John Paul II, Centesimus Annus, #56 
"Business management cannot concern itself only with the interests of the proprietors, but must also assume responsibility for all the other stakeholders who contribute to the life of the business: the workers, the clients, the suppliers of various elements of production, the community of reference." -- Pope Benedict XVI, Caritas in Veritate #40 
"In the face of unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of responsibility to protect and of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need for a true world political authority." -- Pope Benedict XVI, Caritas in Veritate #67
When put into the context of previous papal teaching, (teaching that has far more weighty authority I might add, because these are papal encyclicals, not mere apostolic exhortations), it would seem that Pope Francis' remarks are quite mild in comparison.  This is papal teaching that goes back 120 years!  Are they all Marxists?  I suppose by Rush Limbaugh's criteria they might be.  In which case Catholic listeners of Rush might find themselves having to choose between the "doctor of democracy" and the Vicar of Christ.  Or maybe it's not that simple.  Maybe Rush is actually wrong about something, and if he is, well that just changes everything.

The truth is, Rush Limbaugh is not alone, and this article is not intended to pick on him exclusively.  There are many more conservative talk-radio show hosts out there, and a good number of them follow Rush's lead on stories.  This is added to a plethora of print media and Internet outlets that likewise share Limbaugh's opinion on a great many things.  Then of course there is the popular (and somewhat Leftist) mainstream news media. While these obviously don't agree with the "all-knowing, all-sensing, all-everything Maha Rushie," they do however share his view of Pope Francis as a liberal Marxist, but to them that's considered a positive thing.  I assert here that they are all wrong.  Why?  Because they are talking heads in the media who have never studied papal social teaching on economics before.  They've never bothered to research this, and what little investigation they might have done has been coloured by their own biases and limited world view.  So I'm going to simplify matters for all of them right now, and lay it out in plain and simple English for them to absorb.

The popes are not Marxists.  The popes are not socialists.  The popes are not fascists.  The popes are not Keynesians.  The popes are not Austrians.  The popes are not supply-siders.  The popes are not capitalists at all.  The popes are none of these things.  They have no economic model they follow.  Rather, they make the principles upon which economic models are built, and the only economic model built on papal teaching is distributism. 

In this loose sense we could say the popes are distributists, but we should keep in mind, the popes are not economic ideologues.  They leave such matters to those who can formulate such models.  Distributism comes from the popes.  The popes are not literally distributists.  Does that make sense?

Now the word distributism does not mean "re-distribution" as is the common misconception.  These are two completely different concepts.  Redistribution falls into the Keynesian model of economics, and is often a key component to other economic models as well, such as socialism and Marxism.  What we are talking about is taking money from one group of people and giving it to another.  While virtually all forms of government engage in this to some degree, that is not what is meant by "distributism."  Rather, what is meant by "distributism" is simply this.  The most just economic system is one in which productive property (small business, etc.) is the most widely distributed to the most people possible.  Distributism is about small family-run business.  In a distributist economy, small business is the boss.  It is the backbone of the economy. Distributists envision a world where the majority of commerce is exchanged through small business.  It's a world were nearly any man can "become his own boss."  Realising that some forms of business need to be much larger in order to function, Distributists call for the widespread creation of cooperative corporations, wherein the workers own a share (and a vote) in the management of a company.  This is the core of distributism, but it doesn't stop there.  There is much more in the way of trade guilds, licensing and small government based on subsidiarity.  Much of this will sound foreign to conservative talk-radio in America, and that's too bad, because there are a whole lot of "conservative" things to talk about here. 

I invite Rush and gang to do a little more homework.  Now that you've been graciously answered by the pope, Rush, you owe it to him to figure out what he's talking about.  I invite you to take a look at this Wikipedia article on distributism and then read a few articles on The Distributist Review.


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To: NYer

I have met many cannibals in my life who are good people, so I don’t feel offended.


41 posted on 12/16/2013 4:21:03 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: NYer

I have met many serial killers in my life who are good people, so I don’t feel offended.


42 posted on 12/16/2013 4:21:23 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: NYer

I have met many rapists in my life who are good people, so I don’t feel offended.


43 posted on 12/16/2013 4:21:43 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Moorings

Yes, indeed. I think this Pope is not media savvy and speaks off the cuff. I don’t have to listen to him on these subjects any more than I had to listen to the dopey priests of my youth who gave sermons on Simon and Garfunkle’s “Sounds of Silence.”

I’m amazed - and intrigued - that he has responded to Rush Limbaugh, lol!


44 posted on 12/16/2013 4:22:22 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: goat granny
Just what makes a Pope a Pope anyways? To be a successor of "The Chair of Peter" and have some equality with his predecessor, I'd expect some healing (lame walk and blind see) and what's with this talking "Ex-Cathedra" ? If that's the only time he can tell the truth and be wrong or lie the rest of the time, why don't he shut his pie hole until he's speaking Ex-Cathedra and then people might listen to him? But he does have that wicked cool hat and I appreciate that.
45 posted on 12/16/2013 4:24:31 PM PST by BipolarBob
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To: Sacajaweau
It's a ridiculous phrase....so I should love hookers and homos and abortionists and murderers the same as my children??

Well, yes. It doesn't make sense, but that is what we are called to do. From the 6th chapter of Luke:

27 “But to you who are willing to listen, I say, love your enemies! Do good to those who hate you. 28 Bless those who curse you. Pray for those who hurt you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, offer the other cheek also. If someone demands your coat, offer your shirt also. 30 Give to anyone who asks; and when things are taken away from you, don’t try to get them back. 31 Do to others as you would like them to do to you.

32 “If you love only those who love you, why should you get credit for that? Even sinners love those who love them! 33 And if you do good only to those who do good to you, why should you get credit? Even sinners do that much! 34 And if you lend money only to those who can repay you, why should you get credit? Even sinners will lend to other sinners for a full return.

35 “Love your enemies! Do good to them. Lend to them without expecting to be repaid. Then your reward from heaven will be very great, and you will truly be acting as children of the Most High, for he is kind to those who are unthankful and wicked. 36 You must be compassionate, just as your Father is compassionate.

Probably one of the hardest lessons in the Bible.

46 posted on 12/16/2013 4:27:41 PM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: trisham

So sorry, Tris, about your terrible troubles. We live in awful times and I truly feel for you! Bless you and keep you!


47 posted on 12/16/2013 4:30:45 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: NYer

The best Marxist is a dead Marxist.


48 posted on 12/16/2013 4:32:44 PM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: NYer

Could you please accurately quote Rush calling the pope a Marxist?


49 posted on 12/16/2013 4:32:59 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: NYer

Distributism.... based on WHAT criteria? If it is NOT earned, how is it in any way just. This is more mumbo jumbo. The Catholic Church does not distribute except within their flock, and very communal. Not alone in history in this regard. So, it is the age-old conflict.

Amnesty, pushed as policy benefits the “grateful” rewarded poor who are under the umbrella of the Church, and this translates to a form of Statism that is anathema to our Constitution. Period. We created the United States to get away from Eurotrash politics and history (both monarchic and religious). Which is why we will not tolerate tyranny of a king (obongo).


50 posted on 12/16/2013 4:33:03 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: rwilson99
Who worships capitalism?

Unfortunately, if you make one criticism of a pope, you bring out all the haters of Catholicism (I don't mean you!!!) I find this sad and depressing.

51 posted on 12/16/2013 4:34:34 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: NYer

Rush is about one thing ... Rush Limbaugh and that’s it.


52 posted on 12/16/2013 4:35:56 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: BipolarBob; goat granny; Iscool; CynicalBear; metmom
I don't understand why Catholics seemed so "confused" about this pope. Who cannot see where this is headed? And it's all in the red words of the NT. Because they have failed to study God's Word rightly divided and because they believe they are Israel and they are bringing in the Kingdom for Christ, what is the logical road they are headed down? Christ said to "Sell that ye have, and give alms: provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." (Luke 12:33,34). Right there, IN RED, HE says to sell it all. Which is exactly what they did on the day of Pentecost. "And all that believed were together, and had all things common: And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need." (Acts 2:44,45)

So WHEN, not IF, this pope reveals even more of his beliefs, and BACKS IT UP WITH SCRIPTURE, EVEN RED SCRIPTURE, what will the "faithful" do? Sell it all, like Christ said, and like the pope WILL remind them. Or wait for clarification?

This is the logical ending for NOT studying God's Word His way. You've worked yourselves into a corner, trusting in a religious institution that is poised to take it all. Or better yet, receive it all, when you try to follow those red words. There will be no middle ground for you. You've done it to yourselves. By NOT heading God's plan for the Church the Body of Christ. And you have no one to blame but yourselves. You've given your power to fallible men. Who WILL use God's Word against you.

53 posted on 12/16/2013 4:39:54 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: NVDave

The deaths from marxism cannot be excused by a foolish probably sincere person, as “met marxists who are good people”— they CANNOT be. The tenets do not in any way coincide with human nature, or the goodness and kindness found in people of faith, Christians, Jews, Orthodox and Catholic, Protestants.

It is indeed people, marxist people who carried out the most horrendous killings the world has ever seen, and that is saying something. The naivete of a Pope, here, is quite embarrassing— and playing with fire (not for the first time).


54 posted on 12/16/2013 4:40:43 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: MDLION

This whole argument is vague and subjective. Few people consider themselves total Marxist or pure “cut-throat” capitalist. They are somewhere in between. But where?

Let’s take each policy favored by the Pope. Is the Pope for a minimum wage? Is he opposed to a flat tax and for progressive taxation for the rich? Is he for amnesty for illegal aliens? If all or most of the Pope’s policy positions are liberal, then we call him socialist or Marxist.


55 posted on 12/16/2013 4:42:45 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: NYer

It is high time for the Pope, the Catholic Church and the Distributists in the Church to practice what they preach. Redistribute the wealth of the Catholic Church to their members first, and then to all others in need. Anything less than that is pure demagoguery.


56 posted on 12/16/2013 4:44:18 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: Lou Budvis

True. Christianity does not. But papal teaching in the Church of Rome, does— and it is distributionist... ie. per the dictat of the heirarchy and according to it’s political goals. As such, it should be looked upon, good and bad, as a form of government. The US was founded to get away from this very power structure and its competitor, England. And we should also steer clear of the islamofascists for the same reasons. Our Founders knew best, and that freedom OF religion was essential, as was the freedom of choice.


57 posted on 12/16/2013 4:49:50 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

But that is not possible,since the RCC is a political system as well as a religious system. They are their own country. And never underestimate THAT. That is as important as their religion. What you are suggesting would cause the RCC to cease to exist, politically. They are not interested in redistributing the wealth OF the Catholic Church to their members, it is their members who are to bring THEIR wealth TO the Church.


58 posted on 12/16/2013 4:52:40 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: Theo

When he sells the Vatican he will have a starting point, until then he is playing the politics of the world, a business with which many popes have historically been distracted.


59 posted on 12/16/2013 4:54:03 PM PST by Shanty Shaker
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To: MDLION

The flip side of marxism (which branded “capitalism” as a name which we do not have to honor or recognize— rather one should use “economic freedom” as the model) is simply that it is the means to “unseat” generational wealth and power of democratic republics and restructure the state by theft of property, in order to gain wealth without work or earning or any kind of investment save the lives of the duped supporters and victims who died in the millions for this hideous philosophy.


60 posted on 12/16/2013 4:54:55 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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