Posted on 12/02/2013 7:06:42 PM PST by marshmallow
Jes·u·it·i·cal
adjective
of or pertaining to Jesuits or Jesuitism.
( often lowercase ) practicing casuistry or equivocation;
using subtle or oversubtle reasoning; crafty; sly; intriguing.
Or as the say you can take the Jesuit out of the Jesuits but not the Jesuit out of the Jesuit.
On Saturday, Radio Vatican said Pope Francis had said,
“In the Gospel, Jesus does not become angry, but pretends to when the disciples do not understand him,”
The ancient Fathers would baulk at such a suggestion, I can't think of one who would be be comfortable with the idea that the Gospels did not reveal the plain meaning of what Jesus said and did, it is only the Jesuits of the 17th century who would begin to suggest otherwise.
There is no suggestion in the Gospels that Jesus feigns, or pretends anything. On the contrary he is the 'Truth'. He says, "Let your 'yes' mean 'yes' and your 'no' mean 'no'". His Kingdom stands in contradistinction to that of the kingdom of the Father of Lies.
If Jesus really does 'pretend' to be angry but isn't really what else does he pretend? Is he really just 'acting' in other emotional responses, when he sighs, when he weeps, when he rails against the Pharisees. Is he really grinning broadly when he calls Simon Peter, 'Satan'?
I do not agree with Pope Francis on this, we do not need smiley or angry face marks to interpret the Gospels. Perhaps this says more about the Pope than it does about Jesus. Rather than Jesus pretending, is Pope Francis 'pretending'? After all if one believes the Son of God can and does 'pretend', why shouldn't the Pope? And if the Pope can 'pretend', why not the Church?
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Of course he might’ve meant something else but who’s to say?
It is time for some SERIOUS reflection and study in God’s Word of Truth for those involved in the RCC. Other than reaching down and slapping some into reality, what else can God do? The light is being shown and the excuses are running low.[[[sigh]]]]
Perhaps the pope’s just human.
There are going to be some rather shocked people experiencing the wrath of God during the tribulation also who thought God doesn’t get angry.
The whole purpose of his coming as a man was to redeem us with his blood and give us the gift of salvation, paying the price once and for all. No purgatory, no anything. His sacrifice was perfect and praise God for sending his son for us undeserving souls.
Amen. But not just as a sacrifice, also to give us a living example to believe in through His words and his works. And as a man like the rest of us, but one without sin, it shows how far we’ve fallen and that we need salvation.
So, on that theory, I’d have to be a liberal to critique liberalism? Or a Mormon to critique Mormonism? Or a Wiccan to critique Wiccan belief? How would that even work? Wouldn’t there be a little problem with, say, objectivity?
Who's to say it hasn't been done before?
What the heck is THAT?
we can make up our own version of morality and Jesus was a deceiver....
how could this be considered anything other than blasphemy?
It can’t be.
That’s the dangers of following a man.
I have been trying to get Catholic FReepers respond to the Church's embrace of "higher criticism" for years, but it has proven impossible.
Catholics grow up in a different culture than people like you and me. To us, the Bible is an extremely potent touchstone--indeed, the most potent. This is a part of us, of the very warp and woof of our religious personalities. But with Catholics it is the Catholic Church that holds this position. The Bible is there, and individual Catholics may reject higher criticism and even evolution, but they simply don't make a big deal of it. They are not troubled by the fact that the majority of their co-religionists and the entirety of their leadership believe the exact opposite on these matters, because these matters simply aren't that important to them. They are invested in explicitly Catholic things--mass, rosary, Mary, the Pope, etc.--and so disagreements about Biblical inerrancy or even its origins simply do not touch them deeply.
I cannot tell you how frustrating this has been for me. I have a few Catholic friends here who are indeed dedicated to both Biblical inerrancy and to the traditional understandings of authorship. But I have never been able to get them to say much of anything. Yet when any of those explicitly Catholic things is under attack they instinctively join ranks with their evolutionist and higher critical co-religionists. This is their first and primary loyalty, and this is where all their emotional loyalties lie.
As I said, it's frustrating. Despite the continual boast of having "given the bible to the world" they simply can't be bothered to make defending its authenticity and veracity a priority--not when all those "ignorant rednecks" out there are attacking the mass and the rosary.
I was a fundamentalist who actually joined the Catholic Church once because of the (perfectly valid and irrefutable) historical argument. But the only thing I learned was that historical chrstianity is far removed from everything that had ever made the chrstian religion "true" and dear to me.
As William James once said, Catholics and Protestants will never understand one another.
A traffic light turned blue.
Who am I to judge?
You caricature what I said.
I’m all for the Pope ministering to the poor—which he does, on a massive scale.
The Church is NOT wealthy. Millions pass through its hands—on the way to the poor—but it really lives from hand to mouth.
What I am against is the Pope’s shooting off his mouth and making “news” that is about nothing substantive, just careless, sloppy phraseology.
Well; we have THIS recorded in the Bible:
Luke 13:32
Jesus replied, "Go tell that fox that I will keep on casting out demons and healing people today and tomorrow; and the third day I will accomplish my purpose.
So; was He REALLY talking about a FOX or not?
How does the pope's "ask" get delivered to Mary (presuming that Mary is NOT dead and CAN pray for someone)?
Is that NOT considered to be a 'prayer'?
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