Posted on 12/02/2013 7:06:42 PM PST by marshmallow
I've corresponded with Fr. Blake, whose blog post is the subject of this thread and he assures me that he simply cut and pasted what was on the Vatican Radio web site and that the word "not" was most definitely there.
It has been edited out.
The same thing RCs are doing in trying to correct us. One could ask, what right did common Bereans have to examine the preaching of the apostles by Scripture?
If you’re not a Catholic what gives you the right to say anything about the Catholic Church? Criticize your own faith and clean it up. - NKP_Vet
We are not the ones promoting one elitist church despite it being a glass house that is overall liberal while throwing rocks at evangelicals.
While RCs presume they have the supreme authority to judge others, even though Scripture is not their supreme authority, we who hold it as such can engage in interpretation of what the magisterium says (which RCs also do) because God gave us the ability to do so, and the commission to reprove error, presuming we have repented of our personal sins.
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:11)
Moreover, your "how dare you presume to correct us" attitude is essentially the same line used by the Jews and Pharisees against those who dared reprove them Scripture, but the church did not begin under the premise that the magisterium had indisputable authority, but was established upon Scriptural substantition in word and in power.
That type of thing has been taught for decades in your NAB commentary , and still is on the Vatican's own web site.
As long as y'all claim to be the *One True Church* and that everyone who is baptized is by default, in reality a *Catholic* even though they don't know it, cause there ain't going to be anything but Catholics in heaven, then it IS *our*church as well and that gives us every right to criticize it.
When the Catholic church is perfect, get back to us about cleaning up our own churches.
Do you not see the irony in demanding of others the very thing that Catholics themselves are guilty of? (rhetorical question there)
If you read carefully you’ll see I didn’t compare them as being equal. But Jesus was born as a man, you know. That was the whole point of his mission to Earth.
“In the Gospel, Jesus does not become angry, but pretends to when the disciples do not understand him,”
IOW, the pope claims Jesus engages in deceit........
That statement is refuted by many statements by the Catholic Church and readily available online. Anyone can quickly see that they do indeed pray to Mary and the saints asking them specifically to do something other than pass on prayers. The statement “we don’t pray to” gets pretty lame.
The Pope should not be preaching daily, or else his daily homilies should not be recorded and reported.
He should not be giving interviews.
Popes should speak primarily through Magisterial documents, and prepared, vetted texts—e.g., the Wednesday audiences.
That's the ticket.
Keep him from the people.
He's got way more important things to do than bother with interacting with the unwashed. Like running a massive, wealthy religious organization. He doesn't have time for the little people.
Just like Jesus.
Oh, wait a minute......
wow........
For real?!?!?!?!?!
And just WHO teaches that he's the vicar of Christ on the earth?
It sure isn't the non-Catholics.
Orgé
Definition: anger, wrath, passion; punishment, vengeance.
Doesn’t look like pretend to me.
I've corresponded with Fr. Blake, whose blog post is the subject of this thread and he assures me that he simply cut and pasted what was on the Vatican Radio web site and that the word "not" was most definitely there.
It has been edited out.
Then Catholics and the Catholic church have some REALLY, REALLY serious issues on their hands.
They have a pope who can't be trusted when he opens his mouth, teaches that Jesus engaged in deception, and an organization within the church who is deliberately engaging in deceit by changing what the pope really said to deceive the masses for the purpose of damage control.
And yet, FRoman Catholics STILL defend what is going on in the church and God help any non-Catholic for pointing out the blinding hypocrisy of the church.
The problem is that people think anger is a sin.
It’s not.
Scripture clearly says... Be angry and sin not.
We are not to SIN in our anger, but it NEVER says to not become angry.
Matter of fact, anger is a perfectly appropriate response to wrong done.
There is danger in listening to an organization rather than “searching the scriptures daily to see if what they teach is true”.
Nothing new here...
So was God angry when He flooded the world?
Or was He just horsing around....
No matter what the Pope SAID I think what he MEANT is that the last really practical car made was the ‘55 Chevy.
That's also what I read at the link. So, the Pope thinks that Jesus can be "angry", but that His "anger" with the apostles is not real anger.
If he is trying to draw a distinction between say, "wrath of God" and "the displeasure of a parent", then I can probably live with this, but he should clarify.
Now marshmallow is saying that the original quote actually said:
”:“In the Gospel, Jesus does NOT become angry, but pretends to when the disciples do not understand him. At Emmaus he says: ‘How foolish and slow of heart’. ‘How foolish and slow of heart’…
This really is answered the same way: the Pope could be distinguishing between the "wrath of God" and the "displeasure of a parent".
I am not a Catholic, but I am a pastor and we preach pretty regularly, and I do NOT read a script. I have an outline, and it's entirely possible that in trying to make a point some things get left unsaid.
I wouldn't consider it fair to take a sermon and expect it to be stated with the precision that one would expect of a doctoral dissertation. There absolutely has to be allowance for slip of tongue, grasping the wrong word, lack of clarity in explaining an idea.
I prefer speaking naturally and not from a script.
"Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."
-- Romans 14:5b
The problem is not what the pope may have meant, but that there is an almost daily Gaffe of the Day from the pope.
He’s a loose cannon.
He ad libs
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