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One half will believe... follow the False Prophet, the Pope who will follow Pope Benedict XVI
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Posted on 04/13/2012 4:35:34 PM PDT by stpio

Maybe this is the "May 31st" that the 5th Marian Dogma will be proclaimed? We'll see. Pray for the Holy Father.

Remember, co-...means with.

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/

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message to Maria of Divine Mercy (Ireland))

Virgin Mary: The time for me to crush the serpent is drawing nearer

Friday, April 13th, 2012 @ 05:57 pm

I am your beloved Mother, Queen of the Earth. I am the Immaculate Conception, the Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus who came in the flesh.

My child, the time for the triumph of My Immaculate Heart is close.

The time for me to crush the serpent is drawing nearer. But until the day when Satan and his demons are cast into the wilderness, much confusion will erupt on earth.

For believers in my Son, it will be a time of torment. They will be pulled into two different directions by the Catholic Church.

One half will believe, out of duty, the need to follow the False Prophet, the Pope who will follow Pope Benedict XVI

He, the beast, is dressed like a lamb but is not from my Father, God the Most High, and will fool poor souls including priests, bishops and cardinals.

Many will follow him and believe him to be sent by God to rule over His Church on earth.

Sadly, many souls will follow his teachings which will be insulting to My Father.

Others, filled with the Holy Spirit and given the graces of discernment because of their humble souls, will know instantly, that an imposter sits in the Church in Rome.

The new FALSE pope is already scheming, even before he ascends to the throne of the Seat of Peter, to denounce the teachings of my Son. Then he will denounce me, the Blessed Mother of God, and ridicule my role as Co-Redemptrix.

My child, your role is going to become even harder than before. For many of my children are very confused. The insults you face every day, the torments you endure on behalf of my Son, will increase.

Never be afraid to tell the world [u]the truth[/u] my child.

You are being made stronger as a result of the physical and mental suffering you accept on behalf of my Son in order to save souls.

Every effort, especially by one division in the Catholic Church, will be made to dismiss my messages given to you.

Your obedience and loyalty to me and my beloved Son will be tested as never before. This may lead you to pull away but, should this happen, it will not last long.

Pray, my child, for all of God’s children who, through no fault of their own, are being pulled into the final battle for souls.

All of this must come to pass for it is contained in my Father’s Book.

All the angels in Heaven protect you, my child, in this somewhat lonely mission.

Always remember how important prayer is.

Pray, pray, pray for without prayer, especially the recital of my Holy Rosary, Satan can pull you away from the Holy Word of my Precious Son.

Remember also the importance of fasting for it keeps the deceiver at bay.

Without regular prayer, my children, will find it hard to remain close to my Son.

Never fear the future children for once you remain close to my Son you will be protected

And given the necessary graces to prepare your souls and those of your families for the New Era of Peace foretold so long ago.

Your beloved Mother

Queen of the Earth

Mother of Salvation


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To: stpio

The time for me to crush the serpent is drawing nearer.


According to Scripture, it is Jesus who “crushes the serpent.”


51 posted on 04/13/2012 7:15:12 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: Dutchboy88

Add salt over the shoulder, lepercauns, rub the belly of Buddha, pray toward Mecca...have I forgot anything you guys have to do?


You forgot to knick knack paddy whack.

You know, give a dog a bone?


52 posted on 04/13/2012 7:16:09 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: stpio

and...

http://www.catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false199.htm

Make sure you go to the MotherofGod forums and read both those threads. Contained within one of those threads is about a 1 hr radio interview with MariaDivineMercy where she says stuff about her Bishop finding error in her messages and the reason why as indicated in the thread.


53 posted on 04/13/2012 7:18:37 PM PDT by RBStealth
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To: Salvation

“The website quotes Garabandal which has NOT been approved by the Vatican. Very interesting place, but not an approved apparition site.”

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It can’t be approved until the supernatural events revealed
at Garbandal happen. At present, the parish priest and
the bishop are positive.

And remember, the miraculous host appearing and St. Pio
was positive about Garabandal. Plus Mother Angelica believed but EWTN now, sadly, no.

One of the supernatural events, the Great Warning spoken of at Garabandal has been described by saints in history.


54 posted on 04/13/2012 7:18:57 PM PDT by stpio
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To: the invisib1e hand

You might as well face it, for it is a biological fact: No Mary, no Jesus.


Jesus said “Before Abraham, I am. Who came first, Mary or Jesus?

In other words, since Jesus was present at creation, did Mary predate creation?


55 posted on 04/13/2012 7:20:44 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: Dutchboy88
>"the thousand other traditions of Rome is just empty superstition."

Or worse. Outright Baal worship.

All they need is Ozzy to complete the set.

56 posted on 04/13/2012 7:23:16 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: stpio

I am afraid that you did not read my post carefully.

1. The purported apparition in Necedah, Wisconsin was condemned, NOT approved, and it didn’t take ten years. Steps were taken against it after two years, and outright condemnation after six. The one in Nicaragua was approved almost immediately.

2. I stated in the part that you quoted that one can believe in a message, provided that it does not contradict church teaching; but no, propagation is a different matter.

3. The Vatican’s review of Medjugorje does not pre-empt the bishop of Mostar’s authority in this matter. Bishop Zanic, known for his orthodoxy, had condemned the purported apparitions (the problems with Med. is well documented by both E.Michael Jones and Michael Davies) and the promoters of it were disobediently promoting it even after this. Multiple commissions at both the local level, and at the Vatican also ruled that there was nothing supernatural taking place there.)

4. Historically, true apparitions did NOT have such promotion. Juan Diego went to the priests and bishops. The Fatima children were not telling people to come. Also, the ones that have been approved historically are the ones that don’t go on forever (meaning the investigation cannot be closed). Fatima took place over a few months, Nicaragua was a total of five.

5. “The Holy Father will have much to suffer.” (Fatima) Maybe part of his suffering will come from falsehoods condemning his even before his ascension to the papacy.

Promoting these sorts of anonymous, unapproved purported messages because you believe in them invites rebuttals from those who do not. I had not heard of it before tonight, but it reminds me a lot more of the phonies peddled in Necedah and Bayside than the beautiful truths and careful warnings given at Fatima and Lourdes.

Catholics may even have a duty to point out the problems with such things when aired in a public forum such as FR.

I take no pleasure in this, but I have seen the wrong kind of interest in apparitions, especially the unapproved ones, cause real problems.

I don’t doubt that you have a deep devotion to Out Lord and His Mother. I would urge you to read up on the approved apparitions like Akita and “Our Lady of Nicaragua”, and let the approvals come when they come, if they come.


57 posted on 04/13/2012 7:52:01 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Dr Sivana you are acting as a source of misinformation(as is Richard Salbato of UnityPublishing and many others who prefer to be sloppy with their language).
Medjugorje has not been ‘Condemned’ as you might be fond of saying. A condemnation would align with finding #2 below, Medjugorje has been given #3 by the Bishop of Medjugorje which is a rather tenative finding, open to further proof in either direction.


http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/apparitions.htm

Types of Decisions.

The decision of the local bishop should be one of the following: 1) constat de supernaturalitate (established as supernatural), 2) constat de non supernaturalitate (established as not supernatural); or 3) non constat de supernaturalitate (not established as supernatural).

1. Constat de supernaturalitate. An apparition judged supernatural (formerly called worthy of belief) has manifested signs or evidence of being an authentic or truly miraculous intervention from heaven. This judgment is possible when there is evidence of supernatural phenomena, sound doctrine, moral probity, mental health and sound piety of the seer(s) and enduring good fruits among the faithful.

The issue of supernaturality is one that deserves to be explored more fully. According to the common teaching of the Church, most extraordinary phenomena in the mystical order (visions, apparitions, locutions, ecstasies, mystical knowledge etc.) are caused by angels acting on God’s behalf. Whether the burning bush which Moses saw, the ecstatic flights of St. Joseph Cupertino, the stigmata of St. Francis or the revelations of St. Catherine, the general rule in the spiritual order is that God does not do immediately and directly what can be done mediately through a lower order nature, in this case the good angels. The presence of such phenomenon is not, therefore, unequivocal evidence of supernaturality. Each of the approved apparitions have had such clear signs, from the instantaneous and inexplicable cures at Lourdes to the natural prodigy of October 13th 1917 in Fátima, but also the other marks of authenticity mentioned above.

2. Constat de non supernaturalitate. The judgment that an alleged apparition has been shown to be not supernatural means it is either clearly not miraculous or lacks sufficient signs of the miraculous. Private revelation, for example, which is doctrinally dangerous or which manifests hostility to lawful authority could not come from God. It could even be demonic, especially if there are extraordinary signs accompanying it. The devil gladly mingles truth and lie to deceive the faithful, dazzling them with signs and wonders to give credence to his message. His purpose is to separate them from the Church, either by getting them to believe things contrary to the deposit of the faith or to act contemptuously of Church authority. An attitude of pride and judgment toward the Church is a clear sign of his presence. An alleged revelation may also only be a pious rambling, consistent with faith and morals, but lacking evidence of being anything more than the product of human effort. No fraud need be intended, only an active imagination. Finally, it may be that the doctrine may be sound and there may be phenomena, but insufficient to demonstrate supernaturality. In this latter case, there would seem to be a possibility of revision.

3. Non constat de supernaturalitate. Finally, it may not be evident whether or not the alleged apparition is authentic. This judgment would seem to be completely open to further evidence or development.


58 posted on 04/13/2012 8:04:31 PM PDT by RBStealth
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To: RBStealth

http://www.catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false199.htm

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It has been going on forever, people who are anti-private revelation which includes yet to be approved private revelation. Maybe, it’s envy of the messengers, I don’t know.

Ronald Conte, Jr. of “catholicplanet” is prejudiced and who is he? He has rejected most all of the Catholic prophets. Ronald has predicted the date of the Great Warning three times and been wrong. Such discernment, God does not give exact dates. It’s okay for him to go against the rules.

Lourdes was rejected at first. The world is still arguing over the 3rd secret of Fatima. There was rejection of the Divine Mercy Revelations, good thing for Pope John Paul II. Maybe, Maria of Divine Mercy has to go through the same
rejection. I listened to that radio interview the day Maria was interviewed but I am not familiar with the specific objections about it. I’ll look at those two threads. Thank you.

I didn’t read anything new in this message to Maria of Divine Mercy except that the Pope to follow Benedict XVI is the false pope. And that might of been revealed already at Garabandal. We sure are a lot closer to the Great
Tribulation, if it is true.


59 posted on 04/13/2012 8:10:14 PM PDT by stpio
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To: stpio

Hmmm, it seems you dont seek truth, you just seek what you like. There are plenty of us that have been discerning and picking apart these kinds of messages for years and are good at it. Sometimes there is room for disagreement, but if you went to the MotherofGod forum and read it through, you would find almost everyone there finding fault with MariaDivineMercy messages and for good reason. You on the other hand may just like what you like. TWSC does have alot of understanding of Garabandal and our times, but it intertwines secular humanism, the philosophies of ‘modernism’ and ‘liberalism’ into some of the messages. I’m sure I just went over your head!

As I have been following TWSC(waringsecondcoming.com) since it began it did not appear patently false at first, but it made several predictions that did not pan out.

Goodday


60 posted on 04/13/2012 8:19:34 PM PDT by RBStealth
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To: stpio
Genesis 3:15

וְאֵיבָה אָשִׁית בֵּֽינְךָ וּבֵין הָֽאִשָּׁה וּבֵין זַרְעֲךָ וּבֵין זַרְעָהּ הוּא יְשׁוּפְךָ רֹאשׁ וְאַתָּה תְּשׁוּפֶנּוּ עָקֵֽב׃ ס

Really simply put, under this paragraph,are the bare bones nouns in their order. Much of the ancient language is implied as far as verbs and who the language is intended about and to, later interpreted as understood by the later Hebrew writers. From even the most ancient bare bones nouns it is clear that it is the seed of the woman that is being spoken about, who is Christ. This is a statement directed, by God, to the snake (Satan).

"put hatred woman seed seed bruise head bruise heel"

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

61 posted on 04/13/2012 8:22:47 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: stpio

I always thought the criterion was when the events STOPPED happening — then the Vatican could investigate and approve or disapprove.

Until then the Vatican stays out of it.


62 posted on 04/13/2012 8:33:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Hi, your numbered list,

I don’t know everything and neither do you. That’s the point of prophecy. God is explicit, to help people in a certain period of time.

1. I am sorry, I was thinking of another apparition, not Necedah. This one has the bishop’s recent approval, it is Our Lady of Good Help in Champion, Wisconsin (once Robinsonville). I don’t know a thing about Necdah only that it is condemned. I should find out the time period between the first apparition and the approval of Our Lady of Good Help.

2. Please explain further “propagation” being a different matter?

3. The Vatican took over Medjugorje, it isn’t decided yet no
matter your opinion. They are investigating it right now. I was negative about Medjugorje but I have changed after reading of some of the miracles.

4. Medjugorje is commercial but you still have to look at the conversions, confessions, return to the faith and the miracles there. People did not have the almost instant info on an apparition or the means to go to a place of apparition like they do today. I am going back to does a “yet to be approved” message from Heaven go against the Church? A person can discern this with prayer, Jesus tells you to Dr Sivana.

5. Are you talking about the next Holy Father? If he turns
out to be a holy man, Maria of Divine Mercy’s messages will
be false.

I didn’t promote any condemned apparitions. You brought them up. FR is a discussion forum where people talk about events, with a Religion section. The faith should be talked about, prophecy included.

We disagree, you don’t care for yet to be approved private revelation and I do. Akita happened a long time ago, Heaven hasn’t been silent since then.


63 posted on 04/13/2012 10:17:32 PM PDT by stpio
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To: Bellflower

“And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.
(Gen. 3:15)
- - -
I will put enmities between thee and the woman,
and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush
thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

http://www.drbo.org

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And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

~ ~ ~

Bellflower,

Now we have 3, He, it, she....written before “shall”...

See why you need an authority? Those terms don’t mean the same. Scripture, the original writings should not of been
changed. You know where the Canon came from and you know
who translated the original writings, one man, St. Jerome.
It was important, God guided Jerome just as He did Pope
Damasus in deciding the Canon.

Look at the footnote, it is through Jesus, of course that
the “woman” crushes the head of serpent. It’s the Trinity’s
plan, since the beginning. The prophecy to Maria of Divine Mercy confirms Scripture and the teachings of the Fathers, the first Christians.

[15] She shall crush: Ipsa, the woman; so divers of the fathers read this place, conformably to the Latin: others read it ipsum, viz., the seed. The sense is the same: for it is by her seed, Jesus Christ, that the woman crushes the serpent’s head.

http://www.drbo.org/


64 posted on 04/13/2012 10:48:26 PM PDT by stpio
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To: RBStealth

RBS,

Hi, I was thinking about this message to Maria of Divine
Mercy, the one in the OP.

There are two things stated in the message I noticed do not
fit. Here are the two:

Queen of Earth

and

when Satan and his demons are cast into the wilderness

Mary is Queen of Heaven and Earth

Satan and his demons will be cast into hell not the
wilderness

The words in the message that are true, many, even within the Church will reject the 5th Marian Dogma.

Mary crushes the head of the Serpent

The false prophet, the false pope will change the Truth

Obviously, Prayer, the Rosary are powerful, fasting is powerful too.

We shall see, if the Pope to follow Benedict XVI is the false pope.

You never replied about Ronald Conte, Jr.? He is not
credible. He rejects most Catholic prophets. By whose authority? Who says he is allowed to give an exact date? He has named the date of the Great Warning 3 times and 3 times he’s been wrong.


65 posted on 04/14/2012 3:59:09 AM PDT by stpio
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To: RBStealth
Dr Sivana you are acting as a source of misinformation(as is Richard Salbato of UnityPublishing and many others who prefer to be sloppy with their language). Medjugorje has not been ‘Condemned’ as you might be fond of saying.

It sure was, by Bishop Zanic of Mostar. There is NOTHING "tentative" in his letter which is linked below.

The first official condemnation came from the local Bishop, Zanic, in 1985.

http://www.newjerusalem.com/GreatApostasy.htm Text of Bishop Zanic's letter
66 posted on 04/14/2012 4:21:00 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Anoreth

Ping to post 12 for a cool Padre Pio facepalm.

It’s funny how these end-times thingies never result in my not having to pay the mortgage and the car payment and buy another tank of gas for Bill.

There was a guy who used to sit on the lawn at my college with a sign about nuclear bombs, but the rent was always due, and professors wanted those papers ...


67 posted on 04/14/2012 4:25:16 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Day 2 of the 17-Day Diet ... -2 lbs. from Day 0.)
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To: stpio
I never claimed to know everything. I do know that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail, and I cannot reconcile the content of the purported prophecy with the valid protection of an anti-pope. Pope Alexander VI did many evil things. He might even be in Hell. But, he was not an anti-Pope, and he never formally defined any false dctrines, and his office demanded obedience. 2. "Propagation" is a different matter because if you, even with good intention, promote a message with teachings against the Faith, you are (even unwittingly) undermining the Church's Mission. 3. The Vatican held its own review of Medjugorje. I have yet to see anything in that review that would pre-empt the Bishop of Mostar's repeated findings. Unfortunately, people have chosen to disregard the Bishop. As far as good fruits, Bayside was as phony as a $3 bill, but I know people who went through it, certainly prayed and fasted more, and continued these pious practices even after they saw the purported apparitions to be false. God can bring good out of such things. 4. The problems with Medjugorje are not its commercialization, that can happen with anything. The problem is that the disobedience was continued after the Bishop's letter in 1985. Among the many other problems are the fact that at least one of the seers, Ivan, admitted to having lied on substantive content in a purported vision at least once. Or in his words, "What I said did not correspond to the truth." I do not expect purported visionaries to be saints on earth. I do not expect them to be chosen if they can lie about any of the purported visions, because then any part of it can be a lie.

5. "Are you talking about the next Holy Father? If he turns out to be a holy man, Maria of Divine Mercy’s messages will be false." Agreed. Even if he turns out to be another Alexander VI, he will still be Pope, and we must allow the Holy Ghost to do his job, protecting the Church.

I agree that you did not bring up any condemned apparitions. I brought them up in response to your point that approval could take years. I gave examples of speedy approvals and condemnations, since we must also be aware of the possibility of either outcome.

And of course, you are free to post these things on FR. I never said you couldn't. I would recommend that you at least state clearly at the outset that this is a purported, unapproved apparition. Your original post just presents the whole thing as fact.

Heaven certainly hasn't been silent since Akita. The Holy Ghost and our Guardian Angels provide promptings from Heaven to us individually, and of course many of the approved prophecies already speak of things which have not yet taken place. And, though many purported apparitions remain unapproved, below is one from 2009 that is, from Egypt, where so much suffering is taking place among Christians.

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmaridx.htm
68 posted on 04/14/2012 5:07:42 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: stpio
WITH FORMATTING!

I never claimed to know everything. I do know that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail, and I cannot reconcile the content of the purported prophecy with the valid protection of an anti-pope. Pope Alexander VI did many evil things. He might even be in Hell. But, he was not an anti-Pope, and he never formally defined any false dctrines, and his office demanded obedience.

2. "Propagation" is a different matter because if you, even with good intention, promote a message with teachings against the Faith, you are (even unwittingly) undermining the Church's Mission.

3. The Vatican held its own review of Medjugorje. I have yet to see anything in that review that would pre-empt the Bishop of Mostar's repeated findings. Unfortunately, people have chosen to disregard the Bishop. As far as good fruits, Bayside was as phony as a $3 bill, but I know people who went through it, certainly prayed and fasted more, and continued these pious practices even after they saw the purported apparitions to be false. God can bring good out of such things.

4. The problems with Medjugorje are not its commercialization, that can happen with anything. The problem is that the disobedience was continued after the Bishop's letter in 1985. Among the many other problems are the fact that at least one of the seers, Ivan, admitted to having lied on substantive content in a purported vision at least once. Or in his words, "What I said did not correspond to the truth." I do not expect purported visionaries to be saints on earth. I do not expect them to be chosen if they can lie about any of the purported visions, because then any part of it can be a lie.

5. "Are you talking about the next Holy Father? If he turns out to be a holy man, Maria of Divine Mercy’s messages will be false." Agreed. Even if he turns out to be another Alexander VI, he will still be Pope, and we must allow the Holy Ghost to do his job, protecting the Church.

I agree that you did not bring up any condemned apparitions. I brought them up in response to your point that approval could take years. I gave examples of speedy approvals and condemnations, since we must also be aware of the possibility of either outcome.

And of course, you are free to post these things on FR. I never said you couldn't. I would recommend that you at least state clearly at the outset that this is a purported, unapproved apparition. Your original post just presents the whole thing as fact.

Heaven certainly hasn't been silent since Akita. The Holy Ghost and our Guardian Angels provide promptings from Heaven to us individually, and of course many of the approved prophecies already speak of things which have not yet taken place. And, though many purported apparitions remain unapproved, below is one from 2009 that is, from Egypt, where so much suffering is taking place among Christians.

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmaridx.htm
69 posted on 04/14/2012 5:09:18 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: RBStealth
Dr Sivana you are acting as a source of misinformation(as is Richard Salbato of UnityPublishing and many others who prefer to be sloppy with their language). Medjugorje has not been ‘Condemned’ as you might be fond of saying.

You might be confusing later findings by commissions with the original finding by the Bishop of Mostar.

Two different local Bishops in succession over a 22-year period, and a unanimous vote by a special Yugoslavian Bishops Conference have explicitly condemned the seers, and the messages of Medjugorje. The first official condemnation came from the local Bishop, Zanic, in 1985.M/I>

http://www.newjerusalem.com/GreatApostasy.htm Text of Bishop Zanic's letter

70 posted on 04/14/2012 5:10:03 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Western bishops wear mitres. There is no connection whatsoever between Near Eastern men wearing stylized fish mouths on their heads - that’s what your picture shows - and Christian bishops wearing mitres. There are, however, plenty of stupid, semi-literate twits who believe otherwise.


71 posted on 04/14/2012 6:07:03 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Campion
"Good. I suggest you pray more, and spare us all the invective and name-calling.

Who knows. Perhaps the Holy Spirit will work a miracle ... in you."

Forgive me if I have called you a name and if you would be so kind as to list that post, I would appreciate it.

For those of us who have escaped the clutches of organizations, we trust that someday you will see we were doing you a favor to call you to the freedom in Christ, alone. That was, and is, a miracle wrought by the Holy Spirit.

72 posted on 04/14/2012 8:02:27 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Bryanw92
Huh? I always give Roman Catholics the benefit of our shared faith and steer clear of the “Mary” issue, but where is the scripture that tells us that Mary will crush the serpent? Is that official Church doctrine or just one person’s fantasy/opinion?

No kidding! What is THIS all about? Is Mary going to do it because the bully serpant was picking on her boy? Is Jesus not capable of doing it? This is unreal.
73 posted on 04/14/2012 8:49:27 AM PDT by crosshairs (As long as there is evil, "Coexist" is impossible.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Private revelation requires the approval of the local bishop.

Joseph Smith had private revelations also.
74 posted on 04/14/2012 8:51:39 AM PDT by crosshairs (As long as there is evil, "Coexist" is impossible.)
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To: stpio
Maybe this is the "May 31st" that the 5th Marian Dogma will be proclaimed?

Didn't realize that Harold Camping had converted to Romanism.

75 posted on 04/14/2012 9:05:31 AM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: stpio

Really, you shouldnt be promoting visionaries unless you do your homework first. Its apparent your all too green and inexperienced at this.TWSC has a facebook page and its own website promoting itself. Visit the websites that try to discern whether this is true by whether they apparition messages say anything that goes against Church teaching or not. Ron Conte has been at this for a long while, he is not lying about what he finds in the messages.

Do your homework, read and weigh what others say. I’m not defending what any one person says.


76 posted on 04/14/2012 11:04:21 AM PDT by RBStealth
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To: Dr. Sivana
Once again your being sloppy. A bishop can say the sky is green in a letter, but that would not be an official finding unless the Bishop did it according to Congregation Doctrine of the Faith guidelines.

What I said above was an example. Your link http://www.newjerusalem.com/condemnation.html Neither has the word condemnation or condemned in it. Neither does it have the words supernatural or any of the words that coincide with a finding:

constat de supernaturalitate: the event is confirmed to be of supernatural origin

constat de non supernaturalitate: the event is confirmed to be of non-supernatural origin

non constat de supernaturalitate: the event is not confirmed to be of supernatural origin

Rather I suggest you are looking at blather and presuming from that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Me%C4%91ugorje
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Me%C4%91ugorje
Bishop Perić wrote a personal letter declaring his position to be that nothing supernatural was occurring in Međugorje. Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, the Secretary to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that was presided over at the time by Cardinal Ratzinger, wrote in a letter to the bishop of Saint-Denis de la Réunion that "what Bishop Perić said in his letter... is and remains his personal opinion." Thus, no one was to regard Bishop Perić's statement as an official Church declaration. The intent of Bertone's statement was to clarify that the authority to make official declarations about the status of Medjugorje now fell to the commission led by the Bosnian bishops' conference, which was still investigating the apparitions.

Most everyone who is knowledgeable on this subject knows that their was at least two commissions on Medjugorje that reached non-conclusive findings that I have explained to you before(is not a condemnation or approval). However, the Vatican found the Bishop of Mostar predjudiced against Medj. in his public statements and the Vatican intervened and pulled authority and is now doing its own official commission.
http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=20089

If the Bishop of Mostar and its commision had 'condemned' Medjugorje then it would be case closed and the Vatican would be left with little or no options.


http://medjugorjedocuments.blogspot.com/ http://medjugorjedocuments.blogspot.com/2008/09/apparitions-types-of-decisions-church.html
77 posted on 04/14/2012 11:50:46 AM PDT by RBStealth
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To: Dr. Sivana

ooops red!


78 posted on 04/14/2012 11:52:31 AM PDT by RBStealth
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To: vladimir998
What about the inverted cross on the popes throne? Surely someone besides plenty of stupid, semi-literate twits have noticed.

There are so many illuminati, and satanic decorations in the Vatican it's hard to know where to start. Please don't feel this is a personal attack against people with faith. It's not against you or any other of God's children.

It's against your environment, and the non scriptural rituals. If they define you, at least look around and see what you are made of.

79 posted on 04/14/2012 1:20:52 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Former Fetus; stpio; Campion

I’ve checked with an Israeli Jewish FReeper. He says the Hebrew pronoun is masculine!


80 posted on 04/14/2012 4:39:04 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: stpio

Prophecy speaks mainly of two Popes during the chastisement. The first Pope undergoes severe persecution at a time when the Vatican is invaded. That Pope is forced to flee over the lifeless bodies, and hide in exile. He dies a cruel death.

After that, three if not more Popes are elected in different regions. One of them would be the true Pope. People in their blindness will not be able to discern who is the true Pope despite everything that happens.


The successor of the Pope that flee’s Rome is the true Pope mentioned by many prophecies:

Sister Aiello: “The Pope will suffer much...His successor will GUIDE THE BOAT in the tempest. But it will not delay the punishment of the wicked.”

It says his successor will GUIDE the boat(CHURCH) not mislead the boat. It also states that this Pope’s (heaven sanctioned) guidance(by word and deed)will not be enough to delay the punishment.

La Salette states of the successor Pope: (the Pope will be persecuted). His successor will be a pontiff that nobody expects.”

(aware of his suffering future)...

This pontiff that “nobody expects,” according to Sister Aiello’s prophecy, will be a person unknown to the world, and granted many graces by God: “A humble chief pastor guides the new people: will be to everyone unknown/unfamiliar, but he shall be granted many graces and extraordinary gifts by the Holy Spirit and humanity will receive prosperity and peace. For my Immaculate Heart it will not be long before the triumph of the light over the power of darkness.”)
http://www.apparizioni.com/santi_e_mistici_di_calabria/suor%20elena%20aiello.htm (original: “Un umile Pastore supremo guiderà i nuovi popoli: sarà a tutti sconosciuto, ma a Lui saranno concesse molte grazie e doni straordinari dallo SPIRITO SANTO e l’umanità avrà prosperità e pace. PER IL MIO CUORE IMMACOLATO NON TARDERÀ’ POI IL TRIONFO DELLA LUCE SULLA POTENZA DELLE TENEBRE E IL MONDO AVRA’ FINALMENTE TRANQUILLITA’ E PACE”)

If the “successor” pope that nobody expects/is unknown to everybody is granted many graces from God....it’s stating clearly he is from God.

Marie Julie Jahenny’s prophecy indicates this unknown Pope is raised by the hand of God: “It is I who will give you this pontiff. Pray for him that should see in his eyes a fierce revolution! Until death, his hand holds the cross and does not let go of it.”

it is logically obvious to me, that the Pope raised and given to the Church by God, during this time of extreme persecution and awakening, is the Pope that is protected from death => La Salette: “The pope will be persecuted from every side/every corridor, they will shoot at him, they will want to put him to death, but they cannot do it, the Vicar of God will triumph again this time.”

Marie Julie Jahenny: “Pray for the Supreme Pontiff! Despite the rage of unbelievers, nevertheless, he will triumph. They will never have his life.”

The Pope that “triumphs” and will not be killed by the militant persecutors and the mob of unbelievers during the tempest, most likely is not the one that hides in exile for two years and dies the cruel death.

Anna Maria Taigi prophecy: “He is the holy pontiff chosen by God to withstand the storm.” (After the storm, heaven itself will indicate he is the true Pope.)

Marie Julie Jahenny: “Never, never been so strong a storm against any other pontiff. He is already a martyr before undergoing martyrdom, he suffers before the hour has come.”

Brother John of the Cleft Rock:”But God will raise a holy Pope, and the Angels will rejoice. Enlightened by God, this man will reconstruct almost the entire world through his holiness.”

Sister Aiello: “the Pope, with his redemptive word, will, in part, save the world.’”

Sister Aiello: “Oh!, what grief to see the representative of Christ on earth hated, persecuted, outraged! He, who is the Spiritual Father of the people, the defender of the Faith and of truth, whose face, radiant with light, shines upon the world, is greatly hated. He, who personifies Christ on earth, doing good for all, becomes thus outraged with impunity!”

Elizabeth Canori Mora:
“I will provide my Church with a new pastor, who is learned, holy and full of My Spirit. With holy zeal he will reform My flock.”

Bishop Malachy’s prophecy states “In the extreme persecution of the Church there will sit, Petrus Romanus, who feeds the sheep through many tribulations”

To the first and last Pope Peter’s, Jesus states in the Gospels “if you love me, feed my sheep”. Therefore, the Malachy prophecy states the last Pope loves Jesus and feeds the sheep(”feeding” the sheep, means spiritual food that brings conversion and life, directly from the teachings of Christ, by active example: humility, kindness, and self-sacrifice, etc.)

Jahenny:
Even so “There will be two anti-popes” (To obscure the message of the good Pope/hated Pope, Anti-Popes would be a certainty during the period of fulfillment).

St. Francis of Assisi:
“And when the Spirit has increased the number of such persons in various places, then it will send forth a wholly pure and saintly shepherd and leader, conforming to Christ.”

3rd Secret: Despite the “Successor” being considered the true Pope, officially on paper, he is still only a Bishop, as it would be impossible to canonically elect a Pope during this persecution until after the 3-days of darkness wipes out the persecutors, and that is why the Pope of the 3rd Secret vision is a Bishop. In my opinion, after some 20 to 30 years of the period of peace, the Antichrist kills (sentences to death) this Pope, and takes over Rome.

Back to prophecies of this Pope:

Rudolph Gekner 1675:
“A new pastor of the universal Church will come from the shore through a celestial prodigy and in simplicity of heart adorned with the doctrines of Jesus Christ.”

Sister Jeanne Royer: “two servants of the lord will distinguish themselves in this glorious struggle (the Pope and French Monarch) and who by the grace of the Holy Ghost, will fill with ardent zeal the hearts of the illustrious assembly….”

Marie Julie Jahanny:”This dear and worthy representative will have entered in a new alliance to sustain my holy Church to the strong of the storm. Pains, tortures, the contempt. He will receive all...One will tell him: disown your faith, give us this liberty. But his faith will be firm and constant. It is I that will have given you this Pontiff.”

Abbot Werdin D’Otrante (13th Century):”The Great Monarch and the Great Pope will precede Antichrist.”

St. Hildegard: “Almost immediately after the death of the Monarch comes antichrist”


81 posted on 04/14/2012 5:01:04 PM PDT by pf707
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To: rawcatslyentist

You wrote:

“What about the inverted cross on the popes throne? Surely someone besides plenty of stupid, semi-literate twits have noticed.”

No, you see only the “stupid, semi-literate twits” are too stupid to know that that’s Peter’s cross. He was crucified upside down! The morons use their over active imaginations and come up with associations that didn’t even exist until modern times (e.g. inverted cross = Satanism). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_St._Peter

“There are so many illuminati, and satanic decorations in the Vatican it’s hard to know where to start.”

Nonsense. The supposed “illuminati” and “satanic” “decorations” in the Vatican are nothing more than Christian symbols that modern, idiot, American Protestants are too stupid to understand.

“Please don’t feel this is a personal attack against people with faith. It’s not against you or any other of God’s children.”

R-I-G-H-T. Well, please take my comments about idiots as an outright assault on idiots everywhere.

“It’s against your environment, and the non scriptural rituals.”

What? It’s against your environment? What does that even mean?

“If they define you, at least look around and see what you are made of.”

I probably know more now than you ever will.


82 posted on 04/14/2012 5:34:29 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Sorry to bother you.

You can return to bowing and praying to your Mary idol now.

83 posted on 04/14/2012 6:03:39 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: pf707

I should note that we cannot state for certain that the next Pope is the great Pope choosen to guide the Church through the tempest, unless the current Pope is clearly revealed as the persecuted/fleeing/exiled Pope.


84 posted on 04/14/2012 6:15:11 PM PDT by pf707
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To: rawcatslyentist

I’ve never prayed to an idol ever.

And don’t forget: you were wrong.


85 posted on 04/14/2012 7:15:44 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Bryanw92; the invisib1e hand; A.A. Cunningham; arthurus; Campion; Dutchboy88; metmom; boatbums
Huh? I always give Roman Catholics the benefit of our shared faith and steer clear of the “Mary” issue, but where is the scripture that tells us that Mary will crush the serpent? Is that official Church doctrine or just one person’s fantasy/opinion?

It is just some of the mariology of the Roman church .She is the sinless savior for them and so they attribute the prophecies pointing to Christ to her.

Christ is the victor..not his momma

This is the twisted scripture;

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Of course this speaks of Christ

Col 2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

86 posted on 04/14/2012 8:43:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: stpio

St Jerome also did not believe the deuterocanonical” were inspired..was he infallible??

He did not speak Hebrew ...


87 posted on 04/14/2012 8:51:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RBStealth

“Really, you shouldnt be promoting visionaries unless you do your homework first. Its apparent your all too green and inexperienced at this.TWSC has a facebook page and its own website promoting itself. Visit the websites that try to discern whether this is true by whether they apparition messages say anything that goes against Church teaching or not. Ron Conte has been at this for a long while, he is not lying about what he finds in the messages.

Do your homework, read and weigh what others say. I’m not defending what any one person says.”

~ ~ ~

This isn’t class RBS,

I do not have to pass your test. You’re smart and I am not.

Follow your own advise. You are defending Conte. Why does Ronald Conte, Jr. puts down most every Catholic visionary, seer and prophet and has a fail on his Great Warning dates? Three times with failed dates. Did he forget God doesn’t give exact dates.

I gain much from the “yet to be approved” messages from
Heaven. They daily strengthen my faith. Many people are
touched the same way. There aren’t that many current prophets so why put them down? Look at their fruit, yes.

I posted one message given Maria of Divine Mercy so quit saying I am “promoting visionaries.” A person doesn’t have to wait, only condemned by the Church private revelation are we suppose to avoid and if current prophetic promotes a discussion of the faith and the end times, it’s a good thing.

Your last line about Ronald Conte, Jr. Length of time
being negative about Heaven’s messages and messengers doesn’t make him correct or wise. Ronald breaks the rule on dates and you say nothing? Please explain. I know of one seer he has rejected and she is true, Nancy Fowler of Conyers.

I am not going to judge on Maria of Ireland. I don’t know.
The prophecy in the message about the rejection of the 5th Marian Dogma by many are true and concerning a false pope is true.

I wish you happy feast of Divine Mercy, early,

stpio


88 posted on 04/14/2012 8:51:41 PM PDT by stpio
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To: stpio

[i]You’re smart and I am not.

Follow your own advise. You are defending Conte. Why does Ronald Conte, Jr. puts down most every Catholic visionary, seer and prophet and has a fail on his Great Warning dates? Three times with failed dates. Did he forget God doesn’t give exact dates.[/i]

unfortunately your not smart enough for your own good.
Who do you think wrote these:
Look at the reviews by “RB2 ‘Catholic’”

http://www.amazon.com/The-Catechism-Catholic-Ethics-theology/dp/0980224969/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

http://www.amazon.com/Testament-Catholic-Public-Version-ebook/dp/B0012BRVR6/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Public-Domain-Version-ebook/dp/B0051IBLXG/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Marital-Sexual-Ethics-ebook/dp/B0074AXTNE/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

I dont wish to continue this with you anymore, do not write me again.


89 posted on 04/14/2012 9:17:51 PM PDT by RBStealth
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To: Dr. Sivana

“And of course, you are free to post these things on FR. I never said you couldn’t. I would recommend that you at least state clearly at the outset that this is a purported, unapproved apparition. Your original post just presents the whole thing as fact.

Heaven certainly hasn’t been silent since Akita. The Holy Ghost and our Guardian Angels provide promptings from Heaven to us individually, and of course many of the approved prophecies already speak of things which have not yet taken place. And, though many purported apparitions remain unapproved, below is one from 2009 that is, from Egypt, where so much suffering is taking place among Christians.”

~ ~ ~

I am losing here if you look at people saying no to the
“yet to be approved” messages from Heaven.

Will you share again, name and give the “years” of a speedy approval of an apparition?

I am new to FR, Salvation, RBS and others are helping me
with the rules.

The content of the message, we should discuss, the 5th
Marian Dogma proclaimed and about the false pope. Both are a help for our brothers and sisters in Christ, when they
see these things happen, they’ll remember.

I believe God the Holy Spirit and our angels are saying
read the messages from Heaven. Heaven is speaking to
the messengers daily, how sad it must make Our Lord and
His mother for all the rejection.

Everyone, I check the Yahoo Groups - Seers2, Joyce Lang’s
forum daily.

take care, blessings to you Dr. Sivana,


90 posted on 04/14/2012 9:41:45 PM PDT by stpio
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To: RBStealth

“I don’t wish to continue this with you anymore, do not write me again.”

~ ~ ~

I am sorry RBS, I didn’t get a good feeling from your comments to me, they were personal, no one likes to be told they are green or be condescended to...

You defended Ronald Conte, Jr. I said what I didn’t care
for about his writings and forum and I asked you specifically about his actions, naming a date for the Great Warning and you ignore.

I replied to your posts to me, this is a discussion forum
and the same on your PM. We disagree on private revelation,
I wish we didn’t.

God bless you,


91 posted on 04/14/2012 9:59:42 PM PDT by stpio
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To: Bryanw92; RnMomof7
Huh? I always give Roman Catholics the benefit of our shared faith and steer clear of the “Mary” issue, but where is the scripture that tells us that Mary will crush the serpent? Is that official Church doctrine or just one person’s fantasy/opinion?

Genesis 3:15 is the verse in question. This link below is to parallel versions. The Douay-Rheims version is the Catholic version. Notice the use of the personal pronoun *she* instead of *he* as all the other versions use.

http://bible.cc/genesis/3-15.htm

92 posted on 04/14/2012 10:03:15 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: stpio; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...

I have bad news for you. Any apparition which is saying this is NOT Mary.

It’s not Mary who is going to crush the serpent’s head, it’s Jesus.


93 posted on 04/14/2012 10:07:18 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Dutchboy88
Forgive me if I have called you a name and if you would be so kind as to list that post, I would appreciate it.

NOW is the time to break out the popcorn.

Waiting for the post to be revealed with bated breath.

94 posted on 04/14/2012 10:23:09 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: pf707

“I should note that we cannot state for certain that the next Pope is the great Pope choosen to guide the Church through the tempest, unless the current Pope is clearly revealed as the persecuted/fleeing/exiled Pope.”

~ ~ ~

One reads in the messages of Heaven, They’re words, “soon” or “close” so it is easy to think events are imminent.

If the present Holy Father is persecuted, has to flee Rome,
to follow would be the false pope working for the anti-Christ.

The real Pope would be the “Great Pope” to follow the false
pope?

thank you for all the wonderful all the prophetic quotes,


95 posted on 04/14/2012 10:25:18 PM PDT by stpio
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To: metmom

“It’s not Mary who is going to crush the serpent’s head, it’s Jesus.”

~ ~ ~

metmom,

The Latin Vulgate, the first Bible says “she” not “He” or “It.”

Everything is by God’s power, His Will, no on disagrees. It is by Christ’s power that Mary crushes the head of the serpent. If you say no, you have to explain...

How come the “woman” battles with the serpent in Revelation,
Chapter 12? Why doesn’t it say “It” or the masculine “He”,
why aren’t we reading the serpent battles the “man” Jesus?

Satan is called the serpent or the dragon.

Look at verse 13, “man” is mentioned once....

It says the “dragon” persecutes the “woman” who gives birth to the man child...

A lessor meaning for the “woman” is the Church, see why.
The Church didn’t give birth to Christ, Mary did.

Revelation 6:6-17
[6] And the WOMAN fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her a thousand two hundred sixty days. [7] And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the DRAGON, and the DRAGON fought and his angels: [8] And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. [9] And that great DRAGON was cast out, that old SERPENT, who is called the DEVIL and SATAN, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. [10] And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night.

[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of the testimony, and they loved not their lives unto death. [12] Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you that dwell therein. Woe to the earth, and to the sea, because the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time. [13] And when the DRAGON saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the WOMAN, who brought forth the man child: [14] And there were given to the WOMAN two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the desert unto her place, where she is nourished for a time and times, and half a time, from the face of the SERPENT. [15] And the SERPENT cast out of his mouth after the WOMAN, water as it were a river; that he might cause her to be carried away by the river.

[16] And the earth helped the WOMAN, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the river, which the dragon cast out of his mouth. [17] And the DRAGON was angry against the WOMAN: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

http://www.drbo.org/


96 posted on 04/14/2012 11:36:32 PM PDT by stpio
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To: metmom

I typed, Revelation Chapter 6. It should be Revelation, Chapter 12:6-17

oops,

+++ +++ +++ +++

“It’s not Mary who is going to crush the serpent’s head, it’s Jesus.”

~ ~ ~

metmom,

The Latin Vulgate, the first Bible says “she” not “He” or “It.”

Everything is by God’s power, His Will, no on disagrees. It is by Christ’s power that Mary crushes the head of the serpent. If you say no, you have to explain...

How come the “woman” battles with the serpent in Revelation,
Chapter 12? Why doesn’t it say “It” or the masculine “He”,
why aren’t we reading the serpent battles the “man” Jesus?

Satan is called the serpent or the dragon.

Look at verse 13, “man” is mentioned once....

It says the “dragon” persecutes the “woman” who gives birth to the man child...

A lessor meaning for the “woman” is the Church, see why.
The Church didn’t give birth to Christ, Mary did.

Revelation 12:6-17
[6] And the WOMAN fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her a thousand two hundred sixty days. [7] And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the DRAGON, and the DRAGON fought and his angels: [8] And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. [9] And that great DRAGON was cast out, that old SERPENT, who is called the DEVIL and SATAN, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. [10] And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night.

[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of the testimony, and they loved not their lives unto death. [12] Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you that dwell therein. Woe to the earth, and to the sea, because the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time. [13] And when the DRAGON saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the WOMAN, who brought forth the man child: [14] And there were given to the WOMAN two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the desert unto her place, where she is nourished for a time and times, and half a time, from the face of the SERPENT. [15] And the SERPENT cast out of his mouth after the WOMAN, water as it were a river; that he might cause her to be carried away by the river.

[16] And the earth helped the WOMAN, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the river, which the dragon cast out of his mouth. [17] And the DRAGON was angry against the WOMAN: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


97 posted on 04/15/2012 12:08:39 AM PDT by stpio
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To: vladimir998
>"What? It’s against your environment? What does that even mean?

I probably know more now than you ever will.


Apparently not.

98 posted on 04/15/2012 2:45:48 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: rawcatslyentist

No, I do. But when you write things that do not make sense, there will be no understanding on my part or anyone else’s.


99 posted on 04/15/2012 3:47:54 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: stpio
The Latin Vulgate, the first Bible says “she” not “He” or “It.”

The scripture was not initially written in Latin...

Everything is by God’s power, His Will, no on disagrees. It is by Christ’s power that Mary crushes the head of the serpent. If you say no, you have to explain...

In the first part of the chapter you guys claim that the Woman is Mary...Mary then ran away and hid in the wilderness...No crushing Satan there...

And now all of a sudden the same Woman is the last of the chapter is the Roman Catholic Church...

Satan then sends a massive flood to kill the 'Woman' but the earth swallows up the water...Satan gets mad and then goes after the seed of the Woman...Nowhere does it say the Woman crushed the head of Satan...

Your religion made it up out of thin air and astoundingly, you guys believe it, even after reading what it does and doesn't say...

A little research into the pages of the OT will confirm to any honest researcher that the Woman of Revelation 12 is the Nation of Israel, not the Catholic religion...

100 posted on 04/15/2012 8:58:01 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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