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Neanderthals 'used violence'
BBC Online ^ | Monday, 22 April, 2002, 23:04 GMT 00:04 UK | Helen Briggs

Posted on 04/22/2002 11:13:21 PM PDT by Gladwin

Evidence has emerged to suggest the Neanderthals had a war-mongering nature. The early hunter-gatherers got into fights and used weapons, according to the results of a study of a skeleton uncovered in French caves. A crack in the skull of the 36,000 year-old Neanderthal was caused by a sharp tool, say anthropologists. An early modern human may have struck the blow.

They think another Neanderthal or an early human attacked the young adult. The Neanderthal survived but would have had to be nursed by other members of the tribe.

The findings indicate that the contemporaries of early modern humans were more sophisticated than their popular "caveman" image suggests. They would have needed social skills and organised networks to take part in armed conflict. It may have been a crucial factor in the evolution of Neanderthal and human behaviour, say scientists in Switzerland and France.

The evidence comes from a computer-aided reconstruction of the skull of a Neanderthal found near the village of St Cesaire in 1979. Dr Christoph Zollikofer of the University of Zurich and colleagues say a healed cranial fracture shows the Neanderthal was hit by a sharp tool or weapon.

"These findings add to the evidence that Neanderthals used implements not only for hunting and food processing, but also in other behavioural contexts," they report in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

They say the potential for violence might have spurred the evolution of social behaviour.

Prof Chris Stringer, Natural History Museum Professor Chris Stringer of London's Natural History Museum is an expert on the origins of humans. He says several Neanderthal skeletons showing signs of injury have been uncovered in the past. But to his knowledge injury by another "person" can be implicated in only one other find - a healed wound to a rib on a Neanderthal from Shanidar Cave, Iraq. Prof Stringer told BBC News Online: "In both these cases the individuals survived long enough for the wound to heal, suggesting that Neanderthal social groups gave support to their members.

"Given that this is one of the most recent Neanderthals known, it is even theoretically possible that the weapon used was wielded by a contemporary Cro-Magnon [earliest anatomically modern human]," he added. "But it is much more likely that the injury was caused by another Neanderthal."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; crevolist; evolution; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; msbogusvirus; multiregionalism; neandertal; neanderthal; replacement
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1 posted on 04/22/2002 11:13:21 PM PDT by Gladwin
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To: *crevo_list
bump
2 posted on 04/22/2002 11:13:53 PM PDT by Gladwin
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To: crevo_list
It isn't showing up with the asterisk, so I will bump it again.
3 posted on 04/22/2002 11:15:08 PM PDT by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
oop, oop, oop, oop, oop, a monkey mugging
4 posted on 04/22/2002 11:19:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Gladwin
"The early hunter-gatherers got into fights and used weapons,[ **Fill in the blank** ] according to the results of a study of a skeleton uncovered in French caves."

A.Then surrendered.

5 posted on 04/22/2002 11:19:57 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
Isn't there an Onion headlines from the past that lists famous wars, then underneath the headline it says "French Surrender!"

The Great War Starts
French Surrender

Germany Attacks Poland, WWII!!
French Surrender

Israel Invades Sinai!
French Surrender

6 posted on 04/22/2002 11:23:56 PM PDT by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
So it wasn't really like this?


7 posted on 04/22/2002 11:41:45 PM PDT by arielb
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To: Gladwin
Violent Neanderthals! Never! What next, carnivourous sharks?
8 posted on 04/22/2002 11:46:23 PM PDT by KingKangaroo
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To: KingKangaroo
With laser beams on their heads!
9 posted on 04/23/2002 1:03:55 AM PDT by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
Is this really a shock? A lot of mammalian, and just about every primate species, modern humans incldued, is prone to sporadic to endemic violence. Was there any evidence that Neanderthals were any different in this respect?
10 posted on 04/23/2002 10:05:25 AM PDT by delphine
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To: Gladwin
Neanderthals were cavemen of peace.
11 posted on 04/23/2002 10:10:16 AM PDT by Rustynailww
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To: delphine
It's a shock to the crystal-gripping New-Agey Earth-Mother types, who are just convinced that back then everyone lived in peace under a lovely mystical agrarian matriarchy, where everyone was attuned to Gaia, and there was no war or hate or sexism or racism or pollution or whatever. That is, until evil white men with their sexually violent technologically sado-masochistic patriarchal values went and f***ed it all up.

You probably think I'm exaggerating, don't you? ;)

12 posted on 04/23/2002 10:17:29 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Gladwin
Could have been an industrial accident:

One Injured in Flint Tool Factory Accident
Family threatens lawsuit

13 posted on 04/23/2002 10:21:41 AM PDT by Junior
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To: general_re
There's never a blunt instrument around when you need one.

"I'll take Sibelius in the Conservatory with the Contra Bassoon."

14 posted on 04/23/2002 10:22:52 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: general_re
It's a shock to the crystal-gripping New-Agey Earth-Mother types, who are just convinced that back then everyone lived in peace...

You probably think I'm exaggerating, don't you? ;)

Unfortunately, no, I think that's a perfect description of the mindset of the mystically-oriented left. Selective perception is a bugger.

I also find it interesting that their prescription to return to a (fictional) idealized, anarchic past, marked by small groups and descision by consensus is to implement a vast, all-powerful, autocratic state. Seems a bit of a contradiction to me.

15 posted on 04/23/2002 11:22:41 AM PDT by delphine
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To: delphine
Ah, didn't you know? It takes a great big centralized state to return us to that Rousseauian ideal of drinking from the brook and sleeping under a tree. After that giant state takes everything you have, you'll be reduced to a neolithic state right quick :^)
16 posted on 04/23/2002 12:48:50 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Gladwin
Neanderthals had speech, but only talked about each others amorous pursuits. They also caught game animals by physically wrestling them down, which was how this specimen got his head cracked. Neanderthal could outwrestle any but the largest game animals, even the aurochs.
17 posted on 04/23/2002 12:54:59 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
Amateur or professional wrestling?
18 posted on 04/23/2002 1:02:55 PM PDT by Gladwin
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To: delphine
I also find it interesting that their prescription to return to a (fictional) idealized, anarchic past, marked by small groups and descision by consensus is to implement a vast, all-powerful, autocratic state.

Personally, I love the "Druids" and other assorted heathen who practice a made-up and sanitized versions of their "religions". You wouldn't see very many modern people attend druidic ceremonies if the priest was going to choose one of the congregation of a human sacrifice. And how many tree-huggers who love the American Indians and their "nature religions" even want to think about how these savages ensured that the sun would return in the winter?

19 posted on 04/23/2002 1:15:17 PM PDT by Rule of Law
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Have you ever played one? They're a lot of fun.
20 posted on 04/23/2002 1:18:09 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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