Famous Bible Verse Too Sizzling for Facebook

"those who are homosexual but not necessarily totally reprobate in their minds."

I have yet to see or hear of such a REPROBATE.

Our Heavenly Father made it clear through His Son, Jesus Christ that:

"... EVEN THE SOULS THAT COMMIT THEM SHALL BE CUT OFF FROM AMONG THEIR PEOPLE. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance,that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God."

“I have yet to see or hear of such a REPROBATE.”

Is that the criteria for interpreting the Bible? Your personal experience?

The BIBLE says that homosexuals have been and can be saved from their sins:

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Paul wrote to those who were formerly (before coming to Christ) “fornicators,” “effeminate,” and “abusers of themselves with mankind.” These very same had been “washed,” “sanctified,” and “justified.”

Do you think the Gospel is only for people who have committed “smaller” sins than these?

Let me give you a real world example since you are attempting to relate to your personal experience. Homosexuals are now promoting their agenda using children:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-activists-use-10-year-old-drag-kid-to-promote-new-york-pride

In this article you will find that Chad Felix Greene, who is identified as a “gay writer/blogger,” is opposed to and speaking out against this abuse and exploitation of children. Is Greene a follower of Christ. No. Far from it. But there is some vestige of morality in his heart, something God placed there, warning him and causing him to warn others that this is going too far.

Sometimes God uses such awareness to bring people to repentance. But there are also those who KNOW, according to Romans 1, just how evil their own deeds are, and yet they delight in them. Such a person is a reprobate.

There are atrocities that people do that are simply indescribable. They are inhuman. They can not even be done by a human being who has not become deranged by demonic control or extreme delusion (i.e. they do not know what they are doing) due to drugs or some other cause.

It is important to understand that not all homosexuals do such atrocities. In fact, most do not. Does that make them “good?” Of course not.

Not being a violent criminal does not make me a good person. And we learn from the Bible that no one is good innately.

There is a false pride in thinking that our own sins are not as bad as other people. Just because I have never murdered, or committed fornication, or some other particular sin, does not mean I am qualified to enter Heaven. As I pointed out, the “they,” “you,” and “us” of Romans are no different from each other with regards to needing forgiveness from sins.

“... EVEN THE SOULS THAT COMMIT THEM
SHALL BE CUT OFF FROM AMONG THEIR PEOPLE.
Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance,
that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs,
which were committed before you,
and that ye defile not yourselves therein:
I am the Lord your God.”

There were sins in the Old Testament for which there was no remedy, but for which the possibility of forgiveness exists today because of the cross and this age of superabounding grace. For example, in the Old Testament an adulteress was to be stoned to death. But Christ pardoned the woman caught in adultery. In the Old Testament those with a familiar spirit were executed. But Christ cast out the demons.

It is good to warn people of the dangers and evils of homosexuality. But it is important as a follower of Christ to use such warnings to drive people to seek the message of salvation and forgiveness in Christ.

All people, homosexual or not, who are living in rebellion to God’s laws, need to be warned of His wrath. But the message of the Law of God can not save apart from bringing a person to realize his or her need for salvation. If a person’s Gospel does not work for homosexuals then it is a watered down Gospel that might also be corrupted by the pride of self-effort and self-righteousness. The Gospel the apostles preached was different from this. It was the “power of God for salvation to EVERYONE who believes.”

Not one verse you have pointed out does away with the punishment coming for homosexuals.
Have you forgotten what Jesus said ?

"Think NOT that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am NOT come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall IN NO WISE PASS FROM the law, till all be fulfilled."

“Not one verse you have pointed out does away with the punishment coming for homosexuals.”

If the Lord had not fulfilled the Law then EVERYONE would perish in the very same fate as homosexuals.

Homosexuality is a type of lust, uncleanness, and perverted sexual activity. In other words, this is a category of sin.

Jesus came to save people from their sins, and this includes saving homosexuals.

Homosexuals can be saved in exactly the same way you, I, or any other non-homosexual can be saved: repent and believe the Gospel.

And yes, redemption and forgiveness are not accomplished by “destroying the Law” but through Christ’s fulfillment of it.

So, as I said, and as Romans points out, there is “no difference” between “they,” “you,” and “us” when it comes to needing God’s forgiveness and mercy. See Romans 3:22-23.

“Not one verse you have pointed out does away with the punishment coming for homosexuals.”

If the Lord had not fulfilled the Law then EVERYONE would perish in the very same fate as homosexuals.

Homosexuality is a type of lust, uncleanness, and perverted sexual activity. In other words, this is a category of sin.

Jesus came to save people from their sins, and this includes saving homosexuals.

Homosexuals can be saved in exactly the same way you, I, or any other non-homosexual can be saved: repent and believe the Gospel.

And yes, redemption and forgiveness are not accomplished by “destroying the Law” but through Christ’s fulfillment of it.

So, as I said, and as Romans points out, there is “no difference” between “they,” “you,” and “us” when it comes to needing God’s forgiveness and mercy. See Romans 3:22-23.

The Biblical “reprobate mind” represents the point of no return, they cannot repent because they cannot see that what they’re doing is wrong therefore they cannot be ashamed, i.e. they’re shameless. Attempts to make such behaviors acceptable to Christians by torturing scripture into meaning what it has never meant, all in the spirit of “inclusiveness” and acceptance is therefore wrong. Don’t be afraid of being seen as a fool in the eyes of the world, fads and fashions come and go and the direction in all of modern history with few exceptions has been away from Godliness. The world of my entire lifetime has been one long slide of society, from one form of sexual permissiveness to the next and seeking to offload the negative repercussions upon those who tried to put a halt to it. Where does this familiar-sounding behavior appear in the Bible? In prophecy, blaspheming the Lord because of their grievous sores, etc. We’re getting close to the culmination of those prophecies, imho.

“Attempts to make such behaviors acceptable to Christians by torturing scripture into meaning what it has never meant, all in the spirit of ‘inclusiveness’ and acceptance is therefore wrong.”

Agreed. I have an in-law who was ostracized from his natural family for this very thing. He has a relative who attends church, sings in the choir, and even admits that homosexual behavior is sin. Yet she attended a so-called gay wedding to show her tolerance and love. The ironic thing is that she also showed extreme intolerance and publicly criticized this in-law for his public stand against this “marriage.” She even accused him of being in a cult.

“The Biblical ‘reprobate mind’ represents the point of no return, they cannot repent because they cannot see that what they’re doing is wrong therefore they cannot be ashamed, i.e. they’re shameless.”

I have heard a number of other people state the same. While I do not find a very specific statement in the Bible that says as much, the examples in the Bible do seem to be consistent with that interpretation.

My position, which is merely an opinion, is that it may be possible for someone who is reprobate to be brought to repentance by God, but it is exceedingly rare. But I also do not have a problem with those who hold the view that it is, as you described it, the “point of no return.”

That being said, the Bible is very clear that some homosexuals have been brought to repentance and faith in Christ. We also have a Biblical example of a church-going man who was involved in incest. He was put out of the church of Corinth, but ultimately came to repentance and restoration.

And thus my point in this thread: there is a distinction in Romans 1 between those who are homosexual and those who have gone even further into depravity who are described as “reprobate.” There are certainly reprobate homosexuals, or those who identify as homosexual.

Yes, homosexuality is a grievous sin and abomination to God, but it is possible for homosexuals to receive forgiveness and eternal salvation in Christ if they repent of their sins (including but not limited to homosexual lusts and deeds) and trust in Christ.

There are those who know that what they’re doing is wrong, whether that’s homosexual behavior or some other wrong behavior, i.e. sin. These individuals are capable of shame and regret, which leads to repentance. They have not passed that Biblical point of no return, the “reprobate mind” to which they’re given over. Others actively attack anyone who dares to criticize their behavior, not only do they not think it’s wrong, they think it’s something to be proud of. Reprobate mind.

"So, as I said, and as Romans points out,
there is “no difference” between “they,” “you,” and “us”
when it comes to needing God’s forgiveness and mercy.
See Romans 3:22-23."

We all need forgiveness, and can that ... I agree.
BUT ... "Till heaven and earth pass... " homosexuals

" ... EVEN THE SOULS THAT COMMIT THEM SHALL BE CUT OFF FROM AMONG THEIR PEOPLE, "

REMEMBER, ... one jot or one tittle shall IN NO WISE PASS FROM the law, till ALL be fulfilled."

Homosexuals, being the REPROBATES they are, are to be found in the Second Resurrection,
and their length of say there is to be found in Isaiah 65.
And the end of their future is found in the Second Death!

"I have an in-law who was ostracized from his natural family for this very thing.
He has a relative who attends church, sings in the choir, and even admits
that homosexual behavior is sin.
Yet she attended a so-called gay wedding
to show her tolerance and love.
The ironic thing is
that she also showed extreme intolerance
and publicly criticized this in-law
for his public stand against this “marriage.”
She even accused him of being in a cult."

Okay ... let's take a very good look at this situation.
It DEMONSTRATES "WHY" our Heavenly Father through His Son, commanded us to

"... separate yourselves from the people of the land,
and from the strange wives";

and "WHY" He commanded we

"cut off ... the very souls that commit .... these abominations ... from among their people"

[my rephrasing.]

WHY ?
So I say AGAIN, HOMOSEXUALS had to "EARN their REPROBATE MIND" by refusing God ~ not once, ~ not twice, ~ but THREE times!

You need to not only read, BUT STUDY this link
I especially agree with its last paragraph.

" The Church NEVER can and NEVER will give satisfaction—and the homosexualist knows it, for he knows the words against him are INERADICABLE—to the declared and impenitent homosexual,the person who, through an act of the vermiculate will,has identified his person with a sin,whether HE DEMANDS ACCEPTANCE OF HIS SINthrough "love," or VINDICATIONTHROUGH IDENTIFICATION OF HIS PERCEIVED ENEMIES AS BIGOTS. Whether HE PRESENTS HIMSELF as an object of love or indignation,what HE DEMANDS in either case IS ACCEPTANCEnot of the person,but OF THE SIN-bound and SIN-DEFINED person. HE DEMANDS the declaration of SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY thatTHERE IS NOTHING OBJECTIVELY DISORDERED about this BINDING OF MAN TO SIN,and ASSURANCE that THIS MONSTROUS AMALGAM can indeed ENTER the kingdom of heaven. This can NEVER HAPPEN among Christians UNTIL THEY ABANDON Christianity,WHICH IS AT WAR WITH EVERY SIN,and whose indelible constitutionplaces ALL PERVERSIONS of the perfect manAT THE MUZZLE of its canons. "

There will be NO HOMOSEXUALS ( NOT ONE ) in the afterlife.
They WILL BE ASHES UNDER the soles of your feet ! ! !

And you end your comment with the following:

"Yes, homosexuality is a grievous sin and abomination to God,
but it is possible for homosexuals to receive forgiveness and eternal salvation in Christ
IF they repent of their sins
(including but not limited to homosexual lusts and deeds)
and trust in Christ."

Now lets go back to Isaiah 65:

"There shall be no more thence an infant of days,nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old;but the sinner being an hundred years oldshall be accursed."

WHY ?

BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO OBEY GOD !
Read closer in Isaiah 65:

"I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good,after their own thoughts; A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; Which say,

Stand by thyself, come not near to me;

for I am holier than thou.

These are a smoke in my nose,
a fire that burneth all the day.
Behold, it is written before me:
I will not keep silence, but will recompense,
even recompense into their bosom,
Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together,
saith the Lord,
which have burned incense upon the mountains,
and blasphemed me upon the hills:

therefore will I measure their former work INTO THEIR BOSOM.

But let's continue:

" ... Thus saith the Lord,As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes,that I may NOT destroy them ALL. But ye are they that forsake the Lord,that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto THAT number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes,and did choose that wherein I delighted not. Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit. And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: ... "

Now let's go the look at the bigger view.

"... And when the thousand years are expired,Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And THE DEVIL THAT DECEIVED THEM was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it,from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away;and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;and the books were opened:and another book was opened,which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books,according TO THEIR WORKS. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and THEY WERE JUDGED every man ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. And DEATH and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And WHOSOEVER was NOT found written in the book of life was cast INTO the Lake of FIRE.

Do you not remember reading:

"... we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Have you not read in Luke 11 :

" ... When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

In closing, I'm telling you, for your own spirit's sake ...

LEAVE HOMOSEXUALS ALONE !

FORCE THOSE REPROBATE OUT and AWAY FROM YOURSELF !
They will only LEAD YOU INTO HELL !

I read the article from Touchstone that you shared. It’s very good. Thanks for sharing it.

“There will be NO HOMOSEXUALS ( NOT ONE ) in the afterlife.
They WILL BE ASHES UNDER the soles of your feet ! ! ! “

Yes, and that is true of many kinds of people defined by their sin, not just the sin of homosexuality.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The issue is not one specific sin that keeps people out of Heaven (unless we are talking broadly about sin in general, and remaining unrepentant and in unbelief). The problem lies in a continued state of sinfulness due to a permanent and final rejection of Christ before death or His return.

Revelation 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

“LEAVE HOMOSEXUALS ALONE !
Do not talk to them!
Do not tolerate them.
FORCE THOSE REPROBATE OUT and AWAY FROM YOURSELF !
They will only LEAD YOU INTO HELL !”

Christians are supposed to break company with other professing Christians if we are aware that they are continuing in sins of this type, but we are also to preach the Gospel to everyone. Otherwise, says Paul, we could no longer remain in this world. Jesus taught that the ones who need a physician are the sick.

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Luke 5:31
And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

Christians must remove those who practice homosexuality from among them. They must be disciplined and removed from fellowship in the church, if they remain unrepentant. However, those outside the church must be preached to. That is why followers of Christ remain in this world. This does not mean that Christians are to have fellowship with the world, including fornicators. But it does require interaction and communication.

I have had the privilege of leading a young man to Christ who was molested by a male relative as a child and engaged in consensual (to the degree it is possible) homosexual relations as a teenager. He was powerfully delivered by Christ from fornication, drug abuse, and other lusts. He has now been married to a committed Christian wife for a few years.

The Gospel of Christ is the power of God for salvation to EVERYONE who believes:

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

It is certainly important to comprehend the depravity of sin, the terror of the Law of God, and the danger of eternal wrath. Without these things the Gospel makes no sense. A person must come to understand their own wickedness and utter hopelessness apart from Christ in order to “break up the fallow ground” of their heart. But having done so, the Law of God is incapable of saving a single soul. That is because no one except Christ has ever fulfilled the righteous demands of the Law. It is the Gospel of the superabounding grace of God that is able to deliver sinners, i.e. law breakers, from God’s wrath.

The Gospel, as defined by Paul, and as preached by the apostles, is that...

1. The Lord Jesus died for our sins,
2. was buried, and
3. rose from the dead on the third day.
4. These three things were prophesied and predetermined according to the counsel of God. They are written in the scriptures.
5. The resurrection was confirmed by many eye witnesses, including all of the apostles.
6. God commands all men, everywhere to REPENT, and
7. BELIEVE the Gospel.

Such genuine and saving faith will manifest itself in the believer calling upon the name of the Lord Jesus as a result of the revealing and transforming work of the Holy Spirit. A true believer will continue to call upon the Lord, continue in obedience to His commandments such as water baptism and love toward others, and will manifest the fruits of the presence of the Holy Spirit in his or her life. Salvation is the supernatural work of God which is accomplished by the predetermined counsel of God, imparting faith and leading believers to good works (also “foreordained”).

All this being said, I appreciate that you are taking a bold stand against the grievous doctrines of this corrupt world system. We are not to tolerate what God abhors. And those who openly and unashamedly engage in homosexual lust and sexual activity are very dangerous to believers. One of the terms the Bible uses for these is “dogs.” They are driven and defined by their perverted sexual impulses. Here is one warning about them in the New Testament:

Philippians 3:2
Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

While we must not be misled into accepting and tolerating wickedness, we must also not underestimate the power of God to save the lost through the simple message of the Gospel.

There is so much WRONG with your ASSUMPTIONS in your last response.

"Christians are supposed to break company with other professing Christians
IF we are aware that
they are continuing in sins of this type,

but we are also to preach the Gospel to everyone."

"... Christians must remove those who practice homosexuality from among them.
They must be disciplined and removed from fellowship in the church,
IF they remain unrepentant.
However, those outside the church must be preached to.
That is WHY followers of Christ remain in this world.
This does not mean that
Christians are to have fellowship with the world, including fornicators.
But IT DOES REQUIRE interaction and communication."

Where should I start with these WRONG ASSUMPTIONS ?

Can YOU lead a person to our Heavenly Father, according to Jesus ?

WHO must do "THE CALLING" ?

Does God COMMAND YOU MUST "interact and communicate" with HOMOSEXUALS ? (1 Corinthians 5; Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:32)

You referenced 1 Corinthians 5:9-13

within you

beget

But a lot of people TRY to use ~

"For what have I to do
to judge them also that are without ?
Do not
ye judge them that are within ?
But them that are without
God judgeth."

~ to say "Who are you to say 'they are wrong'?"
Then they remind you of Matthew 7:1-3.

But you need to remember.

" For the time is comethat JUDGMENT MUST BEGIN at the house of God:and if it FIRST BEGIN at us,what shall the end be of them that obey NOT the gospel of God? And if the righteous SCARCELY be saved ,WHERE SHALL the ungodly and the sinner APPEAR ? "

Read again

" Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. "

And read again:

" But he that heareth , and doeth not,is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth;against which the stream did beat vehemently ,and immediately it fell ;and the ruin of that house was great. "

Remember, if we do NOT OBEY Our LORD:

Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the LORD your God.Else if ye do in any wise go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations,even these that remain among you,and shall make marriages with them,and go in unto them, and they to you: Know for a certainty that the LORD your Godwill NO MORE DRIVE OUT ANY of these nations from before you;but THEY shall be snares and traps unto you,and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes,UNTIL YE PERISH FROM OFF THIS GOOD LANDwhich the LORD your God hath given YOU.

You must remember this:

" ... seeing ye are dull of hearing.For when for the time ye ought to be teachers,ye have need that one teach you again whichbe the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become suchas have need of milk,and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milkis unskilful in the word of righteousness:for he is a babe. But strong meatbelongeth to them that are of full age,even those who by reason of usehave their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. "

Now ... take a moment and let that sink in.

After that has 'sunk in', read about their own witness against them.

Now ponder that witness for a moment, and after that ~ let's go back to John 6:32-66 and WHO can do "the Calling".

REAL CHANGE

only be motivated to come about

"SIGNIFICANT EMOTIONAL EVENT"

driven out

cut off from among their people

to read the Bible and turn towards our Heavenly Father and His Son.

TO CHANGE

and NOT FILLED WITH HATE and VENGEANCE !

After that AND ONLY AFTER THAT ... ,

'countenance'

identifies

(or any slang term meaning the same REPROBATE behavior)

REPENT ,
believe the gospel

in the name of Jesus Christ

through prayer AND the laying on of hands

BUT the chances of that happening ARE EXTREMELY RARE ! ! !

Don't forget about Simon offering them money for it.
SO ... BE CAREFULL !

Facebook is EVIL.

All people should delete their accounts today!

“There is so much WRONG with your ASSUMPTIONS in your last response.”

That is a very harsh response. And, quite frankly, I do not believe it is a Spirit-led response. Nor are your counter-arguments Biblical. So you will have to pardon me if my response is also a bit harsh. It is not meant to imply that I do not believe you are a real believer, but it is a warranted and necessary response to your error. However, I will also recognize some very helpful instruction mixed in with what you’ve posted as well.

There is something very peculiar about your approach to a Biblical discussion. You seem to be under the impression that it is your job to try correct anything you perceive to have any trace of error though this conversation began with your utter refusal to listen to the slightest admonition. And you continue to stubbornly refuse to heed it when it has been presented in such a fashion that even a child could understand it.

Your very actions and words in this thread condemn your error. You railed about “straining at gnats” and then proceed to do so now yourself. Only, in this case, I don’t think you’ve found a single gnat in all your efforts to do so.

Jesus taught that when one sinner repented, angels in Heaven rejoice. But you seem disgruntled over the thought of wicked people repenting and entering the kingdom of God. Why is that?

I laid out plainly the Gospel of Christ which I proclaim and which has saved many lost through my own sharing of it. Sharing such a personal, firsthand experience is what the Bible calls “testimony.”

A person can only bear witness to what he or she has seen and heard.

If you are skeptical of a testimony I’ve shared, it doesn’t hurt me.

But I can respond to you the same way the blind man did to the pious but skeptical Pharisees who questioned him before casting him out of the synagogue:

John 9:25b
One thing I know: that though I was blind, now I see.

John 9:30-33
Why, this is a marvelous thing, that you do not know where He is from; yet He has opened my eyes! Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him. Since the world began it has been unheard of that anyone opened the eyes of one who was born blind. If this Man were not from God, He could do nothing.

What testimony do you have of sharing Christ with lost sinners who have been powerfully and radically transformed by the message of salvation?

If you don’t have a greater testimony to share, maybe you should quit trying to correct and instruct and sit down and take notes.

And don’t make any mistake, I am NOT boasting about myself or anything I’ve done. God is the only one who can accomplish anything. If any testimony I have is true, it is a credit to the glory of God, not me.

But if your Gospel is not the power of God to salvation to EVERYONE who believes then YOU need to make a change to YOUR message.

“Can YOU lead a person to our Heavenly Father, according to Jesus ?”

Can a person lead someone else to Christ?

John 1:41-42a
He [Andrew] first found his own brother Simon, and said to him, “We have found the Messiah” (which is translated, the Christ). And he brought him to Jesus.

So, according to the Bible, the word of God, yes, a person CAN lead someone to Christ by their testimony. I choose to believe the Bible rather than your error.

“WHO must do ‘THE CALLING’ ?”

Of course it is God who calls a person to eternal life, but it is His sovereign choice to do so through the foolishness of preaching the Gospel.

1 Corinthians 1:21, 26
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe... For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.

“Does God COMMAND YOU MUST ‘interact and communicate’ with HOMOSEXUALS ? (1 Corinthians 5; Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:32)”

When I have twice pointed out that Paul said that some of the Corinthian believers had been homosexuals before coming to Christ, you seem to be claiming a Christian must not speak to or interact with them. How were those homosexuals brought to Christ? How was the wicked, incestuous congregant brought to repentance? Are you suggesting that they were saved through some other means than hearing the word through the proclamation of the Gospel?

Because that is sure what it sounds like you are saying. As I have already pointed out, Christ commanded the Gospel to be preached to EVERYONE. The verses you cited do NOT forbid preaching the Gospel to homosexuals.

Christ did speak of not casting pearls before swine. And He Himself demonstrated this by teaching in parables when the religious leaders blasphemed the Holy Spirit. But even He spoke with them. He reproved them. He continued to call to repentance any who would hear. So there is a Biblical basis for avoiding homosexuals, and not welcoming them to Bible studies and prayer meetings, obviously. But outside of the gathering of believers, there is a command to preach the Gospel to ALL.

A preacher of the Gospel should neither seek out homosexuals nor avoid preaching to those with whom he comes into contact.

“Read again ‘Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.’”

There is nothing I’ve posted that is inconsistent with this. I’m not sure why you feel the need to rehearse it. I get the impression you do not accept the clear Biblical message that there are people who were formerly homosexual who have been saved by the transforming power of the Gospel.

As per the scriptures I already posted, no one can call Jesus “Lord” except by the Holy Spirit. This does NOT mean that a person is Spirit-led just because they utter the words “Lord Jesus.” What is being described is a true, heartfelt, sincere acknowledgement of Christ being Lord. It is a divine revelation, as Christ described Peter’s understanding of Him being the Christ. Flesh and blood did not reveal this. Indeed, the flesh can do nothing to contribute to salvation, but is at war with God’s redemptive work.

Nevertheless, true believers, the ones who continue in good works and persevere through trials and persecutions, are ones who continue to call on the name of the Lord Jesus, as per the scriptures I cited in my previous post.

“After that has ‘sunk in’, read about their own witness against them.”

As I said already, I appreciate your bold stand against the homosexual agenda. I know firsthand how “tolerance” is destroying churches through worldliness. There is a watered down message in the churches today in regards to the righteousness and holiness of God. Without the severe threatenings of the Law of God, the message of the Gospel makes no sense. And so modern preachers have resorted to all sorts of other reasons for the Gospel such as healing and success or the silly notion that God is lonely without being friends with sinners. The message of salvation is none of those things. So your strong opposition to the homosexual agenda in society and in the churches is welcomed and greatly needed.

“the chances of that happening ARE EXTREMELY RARE”

Regeneration is ALWAYS miraculous and “rare”. Whether the sinner is a liar, thief, covetous, blasphemer, murderer, homosexual, or other type of fornicator, salvation is miraculous. So it is rare in the sense that many reject Christ. But MANY also receive Christ.

Revelation 7:9-10
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

You need to acquaint yourself with the Gospel of grace and the dispensation of the superabounding grace of God.

Romans 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound.

The Law and the Gospel of Grace are two totally different and independent messages of God.

Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

The purpose of the Law is to reveal sin and drive the sinner to humility and repentance. The Gospel enables the penitent person to be regenerated through faith in Christ. The righteousness of the Law is only fulfilled in us through receiving the righteousness of Christ by justification and the subsequent transforming work of sanctification, also accomplished by grace through the inner work of the Holy Spirit, and not through fleshly efforts.

“MIGHT be ready to: (ask for forgiveness) REPENT, believe the gospel,
to be baptized ... in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and RECEIVE receive the gift of the Holy Spirit through prayer AND the laying on of hands.”

Laying on of hands is not required to receive the Holy Spirit:

Galatians 3:2
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

“A REAL CHANGE can only be motivated to come about through a ‘SIGNIFICANT EMOTIONAL EVENT’, such as one brought about be being driven out and cut off from among their people. There is a VERY SLIM CHANCE that the loneliness one will experience might lead one
to read the Bible and turn towards our Heavenly Father and His Son.”

That’s the best comment you’ve posted in our discussion. It is interesting that God chose, even in the Old Testament, to first cut abominable people off from their societies. It demonstrates the long-suffering of God to not immediately and utterly destroy them. And I think you’ve made an excellent point here for why it is important for Christians to not fall for the phony message of tolerance which is something that will leave the lost in their lost state rather than lead them to repentance.

But while I do agree it is possible for such a person to seek out a Bible, the pattern of scripture is for the message to be preached directly (e.g. the Ethiopian eunuch).

2 Corinthians 3:2-3
You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read by all men; clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

Notice the “all men.” It would be an egregious error to think that a lost sinner must first clean himself up before coming to Christ or coming to hear the message of Christ from preachers of the Gospel.

There must be evidence of repentance and faith before a person is baptized and received into fellowship with congregations of believers. But for the sinner to acquire these without hearing the Gospel is an impossibility. Therefore, there are no pre-conditions. The message of the Gospel MUST be proclaimed to ALL.

Well ... I obviously struck a nerve.

Where to start with your response ... is the question.
Well, I've got noting else to do, tonight.

"That is a very harsh response.
And, quite frankly, I do not believe it is a Spirit-led response.
Nor are your counter-arguments Biblical."

Now that's funny.

"So you will have to pardon me if my response is also a bit harsh.
It is not meant to imply that
I do not believe you are a real believer,
but it is a warranted and necessary response to your error."

My tone being in question, let's take a read of Jesus's FIRST sermon.

" And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee:and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph’s son? And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum,do also here in thy country. And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country. But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; but unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet;and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian. And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, and rose up, and THRUST HIM OUT of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, THAT THEY MIGHT CAST HIM DOWN HEADLONG. But HE passing through the midst of them WENT HIS WAY,"

Have you really studied the way Jesus taught in his FIRST sermon ?

and were ready to KILL HIM !

The truth MUST be faced, OPENLY, and BLUNTLY !
Now let's continue with your comment.

"I get the impression
you do not accept the CLEAR Biblical message
that there are people who were formerly homosexual
who have been SAVED
by the transforming power of the Gospel."

You are correct.

"When I have twice pointed out that Paul said
that some of the Corinthian believers had been homosexuals before coming to Christ,
you seem to be claiming a Christian must not speak to or interact with them.
How were those homosexuals brought to Christ ?
How was the wicked, incestuous congregant brought to repentance ?"

As I scan back on your comments, I only find 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 and Philippians 3:2 as your references.
The words your referenced MIGHT BE fornicator, and dog.
And I'll even include the word incestuous that you've used in your comments.

fornication

for·ni·ca·tion

NOTE: Where still considered a crime, fornication is classified as a misdemeanor.

Origin and Etymology of fornication

fornicatio

fornicare

fornic-

fornix

I do NOT read anything indicating homosexual sex in THAT definition.

Now to the next word dog.
Since this is a Biblical analogy, I'll go with the Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete) on Philippians 3:2.

It is a needful caution he here gives: Beware of dogs, v. 2. The prophet calls the false prophets dumb dogs (Isa. 56:10 ), to which the apostle here seems to refer. Dogs, for their malice against the faithful professors of the gospel of Christ, barking at them and biting them. They cried up good works in opposition to the faith of Christ; but Paul calls them evil workers: they boasted themselves to be of the circumcision; but he calls them the concision: they rent and tore the church of Christ, and cut it to pieces; or contended for an abolished rite, a mere insignificant cutting of the flesh. III. He describes true Christians, who are indeed the circumcision, the spiritual circumcision, the peculiar of people of God, who are in covenant with him, as the Old-Testament Israelites were: We are the circumcision, who worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Here are three characters:

My comment on this sentence, is that I think "three" is a TYPO mistake, and they meant to type "Here are THEIR characters:"

which consist in meats, and drinks, and divers washings, etc.

Jn. 4:24.

2 Co. 3:8.

I did NOT read anything indicating homosexual sex in THAT COMMENTARY about that analogy of "dogs".

Finally let's go to the word incestuous that you've used in your comments. about a third of more down from the start of your comment.
"Incestuous" definitions all refer back to its root word incest, so that's where I'll go.

Incest The crime of sexual relations or marriage taking place between a male and female who are so closely linked by blood or affinity that such activity is prohibited by law.

Finally, I did not read any homosexuality in that definition.

The closest the Bible come to homosexual word for me is in the words that clearly state "a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman".

Have a good day, night, or whatever ...

“He made the people jealous in his first lesson,
and the people threw him out,
and were ready to KILL HIM !
The truth MUST be faced, OPENLY, and BLUNTLY !”

Of course the Lord is THE STANDARD by which our conduct is measured. You are comparing yourself to Jesus and not discussing how you fall short but how much your behavior is like His? That is ludicrous.

The Lord was perfect. He needed no correction, instruction, or any improvement. And in spite of this He conducted Himself with meekness and humility.

And your argument is flawed in every way. There were people angered by Christ proclaiming the truth, and they wanted to kill Him. And you are claiming that because you imagine that you “struck a nerve” that this somehow proves you are like Jesus.

The whole world is full of offensive people. Does that make them like Jesus?

The world is even full of religious leaders with bold, confident claims about the Bible. Does this mean they are all like Jesus?

The fact that you could even assert such a ridiculous claim underscores how desperately you need correction, instruction, and soul-searching before God to fix what is terribly wrong in your thinking.

A whole book could be written just to address the egregious nature of this one statement of yours alone. But I will simply point out a few verses.

Proverbs 12:15
The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

Galatians 6:1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Colossians 4:6
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

James 3:1-2
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

2 Timothy 2:24-25
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.

1 John 1:8-9
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

“I do NOT read anything indicating homosexual sex in THAT definition [of fornication].”

The Bible is not subject to man-made definitions. Often the Bible provides its own context for the meaning of words. Fornication certainly includes those things, but is often used broadly of all sexual sin, including physical acts of adultery. Fornication generally refers to prohibited physical sexual acts. Fornication encompasses the entire gamut of sexual sins forbidden by God. These include those listed in Leviticus 18 which describes roughly 14 familial relations which can never be sanctified in marriage because they are incestuous, along with homosexual intercourse, and bestiality. It also includes a prohibition against the unclean sex act of heterosexual intercourse with a woman during her menstruation in verse 19. This is called “uncleanness” in the New Testament. Adultery is also listed in verse 20, and child sacrifice in 21.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

In some passages, such as this one, adultery and fornication are distinguished, and fornication is used in a more narrow sense. But regardless of the name assigned, anything of that nature falls under the category of “such like.” This avoids any claim of a loophole or technicality. For example, no one can claim sadomasochistic sexual relations to be normative. It is just one of many perversions that fall under the broad labels of lust and fornication. The most extreme sexual perversion is attempts of sexual relations between humans and angels. This perversion occurred in the days of Noah and the days of Sodom. Whether it would technically be called “fornication” is not relevant to the fact that it falls into the same category of grievous sexual sins. It does not need to be listed specifically.

With that being said, we have a specific example of fornication being used to describe the wicked conduct of homosexuals:

Jude 7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

As grievous as homosexuality is, failing to repent is an even greater sin:

Matthew 11:21-24
Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.
And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Note that Christ Himself allowed for the possibility for the Sodomites to have repented. He even says they would have if He had given them the divine demonstration of signs He gave to Israel. Christ asserted that Sodom would not have ever been destroyed. Why? Because they would have repented, unlike Capernaum and similar cities where He did mighty miracles.

“And I’ll even include the word incestuous that you’ve used in your comments.”

You are the one who brought it up first. But apparently you were unaware that the reference you made earlier to Leviticus 18 is not only about homosexuals but also about those who engage in other perversions such as incest and uncleanness. I pointed out that there was a wicked man in the Corinthian church who had committed incest. This is a sin listed within the Leviticus 18 passage you cited about being “cut off from among their people.” Yet THAT MAN was brought to repentance and restoration:

1 Corinthians 5:1, 13b
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife... Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

2 Corinthians 2:6-8
Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.

“I did NOT read anything indicating homosexual sex in THAT COMMENTARY about that analogy of ‘dogs’. “

The Bible calls a male prostitute a “dog.”

Deuteronomy 23:18
Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the Lord thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the Lord thy God.

Revelation 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Technically a distinction could be made between homosexuals (sodomites or abusers of themselves with mankind) and male prostitutes (dogs), but it is not relevant because God judges such acts regardless of the reason a person does them (with the exception of someone being forced, who would not be guilty).

But the main issue at hand is that God requires all men everywhere to repent. Remaining in sin and not repenting is MORE WICKED than the sin of homosexuality. Homosexuals can be forgiven if they repent. Then they are no longer homosexuals, but former homosexuals. It no longer defines their identity. Same is true of other types of fornication, lust, uncleanness, murder, theft, and lies. These things will also keep a person from salvation when there is no repentance.

Further, there will be many people who go to the lake of fire to be tormented for their sins, who have never once committed a homosexual act or even had a thought of homosexual lust. God hates the pride and stubbornness of unrepentant sinners even more than the sin of homosexuality.

“As I scan back on your comments, I only find 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 and Philippians 3:2 as your references.”

You overlooked post #22.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

See where it says “abusers of themselves with mankind”? That’s referring to homosexuals.

See where it says “such were some of you”? That’s where the apostle indicates that some of the Corinthians had formerly been homosexuals, among other things. But they had repented and trusted Christ for salvation.

I said: “I get the impression you do not accept the CLEAR Biblical message that there are people who were formerly homosexual who have been SAVED by the transforming power of the Gospel.” To which you replied:

“You are correct.”

Well, if you will not hear the clear testimony of the word of God, there is nothing I can do for you. You can either remain in error, and stubbornly refuse correction, or you can learn. But be sure of this, God hates stubborn pride even more than the sexual perversions we have been discussing. And I’ve provided plenty of evidence to prove this.

"You are comparing yourself to Jesus and not discussing how you fall short but how much your behavior is like His?
That is ludicrous."

There is NO WAY that YOU can be that DENSE !

"Galatians 5:19-21 ...
In some passages, such as this one, adultery and fornication are distinguished,
and fornication is used in a more narrow sense."

You've just proven met point, and blown your on argument right out of the water.

"... You overlooked post #22.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ...
See where it says “abusers of themselves with mankind”?
That’s referring to homosexuals.
See where it says “such were some of you” ?

WERE ~ PAST TENSE, and not "ARE" !

I SAY AGAIN

THERE WILL BE NO ...
and I repeat ... NO HOMOSEXUALS IN HEAVEN !

You ASSUME that God gave them over to a REPROBATE mind" does not mean what it CLEARLY states.
"Reprobate" MEANS "Reprobate", plain and simple !

You also ASSUME that there will be HOMOSEXUALS IN Heaven.
NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES God's WORD support you.

It's just that simple !

"The Bible is not subject to man-made definitions."

On that we agree, include YOUR OWN DEFINITIONS ALSO !"Often the Bible provides its own context for the meaning of words.
Fornication certainly includes those things,
but is often used broadly of all sexual sin,
including physical acts of adultery.

Fornication generally refers to prohibited physical sexual acts.
Fornication encompasses the entire gamut of sexual sins forbidden by God."
You MUST go back to the time at which they were written, to get the proper definition of the words they used.
I can think of no better reference than Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete).
When in doubt on the meanings of a verse I'll read what the commentary says about it.

Another good reference due to the cross-references and the footnotes and the appendixes is the The Companion Bible: Enlarged Type Edition Hardcover 1611 KJV.

“I SAY AGAIN THERE WILL BE NO ... and I repeat ... NO HOMOSEXUALS IN HEAVEN !”

I never said anything different. There will also be no LIARS in Heaven either. Do you deny this?

“You ASSUME that ‘God gave them over to a REPROBATE mind’ does not mean what it CLEARLY states.”

That’s false.

Romans 1 is a progression. We see cause and effect multiple times. It is describing the downward spiral into greater and greater evil that could be applied to an individual or group of people. Paul used the third person pronouns “they,” “them” and “their.”

Starting in verse 18, he addresses this downward spiral which describes “men who hold the truth in unrighteousness.” Then he uses these third person pronouns at least 22 times by my count, through the end of the chapter.

So do you suppose the “they” Paul describes, who hold the truth in unrighteousness, are ALL engaging in homosexual acts? Are all who become “vain in their imaginations” also turned over to homosexuality? Do all who think foolishly become homosexual and reprobate?

Do all who commit the sin of unthankfulness also engage in homosexual sex and reprobation?

Do all who disobey their parents also engage in homosexual sex?

The list of such questions is endless, and the answers are obvious. It is not me who is ASSUMING something here. It is you who has ASSUMED that ALL homosexuals are given over to a reprobate mind. You also explicitly and specifically denied that homosexuals are ever brought to repentance and salvation in post #35.

“Now let’s continue with your comment: ‘I get the impression you do not accept the CLEAR Biblical message that there are people who were formerly homosexual who have been SAVED by the transforming power of the Gospel.’ You are correct.”

Maybe you need to clarify what you said there. The way it reads to me is that you confirmed my impression that you do NOT accept that ANY FORMER homosexuals have been SAVED by the GOSPEL. Now it seems you are backtracking by pointing out that they were FORMER homosexuals, but I already stipulated that.

A reprobate person, by the definition of the Romans 1 passage is FILLED with ALL unrighteousness. They do not merely succumb to sin, they delight in it. Paul’s description is here similar to the people of Sodom or Noah’s generation who did evil and thought evil continuously.

Genesis 6:5, 11
And God saw that the WICKEDNESS of man was GREAT in the earth, and that EVERY imagination of the thoughts of his heart was ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY... The earth also was CORRUPT before God, and the earth was FILLED with VIOLENCE.
[emphasis mine where all caps are used]

Genesis 13:13
But the men of Sodom were WICKED and SINNERS before the Lord EXCEEDINGLY.
[emphasis mine where all caps are used]

Genesis 18:20-21
And the Lord said, Because the CRY of Sodom and Gomorrah is GREAT, and because their SIN is VERY GRIEVOUS; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
[emphasis mine where all caps are used]

Whether it is possible for a reprobate person to ever repent I am uncertain. But I know on the authority of the scriptures that it is possible for a homosexual to repent and be saved.

Of course no homosexual can enter Heaven in a state of his or her sinfulness. Neither can anyone else whether he has engaged in that perversion or not. You act as if you have made some profound point, but it is exactly what I pointed out from the start.

A homosexual is barred from Heaven in the same exact sense that ALL men are barred from Heaven because ALL have sinned. And the only way ANY sinner can ever enter Heaven is to obtain forgiveness and grace through the cross of Christ.

As I have pointed out since I first engaged in this discussion with you (see post #20 and #24), Paul’s message continues and concludes with this very point:

“There is no difference.”

No difference in what? The way pious religious Jews and unclean, perverted Gentiles are saved! And that goes for ALL people. ALL have sinned. ALL are destined for death and God’s wrath, unless they come to Christ.

Romans 3:9-10
What then? are we BETTER [emphasis mine] than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.

Romans 10:12-13
For there is no DIFFERENCE [emphasis mine] between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

You twist Romans 1 to merely argue for shunning homosexuals, but Romans 1 is the beginning of a larger message based on the primacy of the Gospel of Christ and its and power to save sinners, including homosexuals.

“You also ASSUME that there will be HOMOSEXUALS IN Heaven.”

Another falsehood. Whether you are aware that your statement is false, I will leave between you and God. But He knows if you really believe what you just said. Regardless of whether it was an intentional lie, it is false.

But there will be people who prior to their salvation through Christ engaged in such perversions. These past and forgiven sins no longer define who they are.

1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

‘God gave them over to a REPROBATE mind’

"That’s false."

Okay, I'll take you back to comment #8

" ... However, I do want to draw your attention to the fact
that homosexuality is distinguished in Romans 1 from reprobation.

This demonstrates
that homosexual lust and activity
is NOT the ultimate perversion called a “reprobate mind” in the KJV. ... "

" ... The way it reads to me
is that you confirmed my impression
that you do NOT accept
that ANY FORMER homosexuals have been SAVED by the GOSPEL. ... "

"Saved" you say ?
That depends on what you mean by "Saved" .

You remind me of Isaiah 28, especially verses 9 thru 18.

What has John 3:1-21 and 1 Corinthians 15:50 taught you ?
Those people sleep in the earth, and await the resurrection yet to come.